Corona Virus: It's a Marathon, Not a Sprint

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:39 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 pm
Kraken wrote: Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:23 pmDoes contact tracing really make much difference when the virus is endemic? It's like stomping on embers in a burning building.
Right, at some point it is indeed useless to stop spread because the virus is everywhere. However, we started out a ~50% refusal here in NJ back in July and it's only been trending worse.

And while it might not be great for stopping spread, it does help us fill in information about *how* it's being spread. The current argument now is we don't have data to prove small gatherings are responsible. We're definitely speculating (and maybe incorrectly), but without cooperation we really have no idea what's happening. Are all the people getting sick being exposed at work? Are they going to bars? Are they gathering with family? Are they out shopping? Going to churches or other religious gatherings? We're flying blind and not surprisingly then, flailing around with policy and executive orders. Without the data we don't have the ability to enact scalpel-like decisions. Instead, all we have left it the giant, unrelenting hammer.

Data are our friend. But if you had 100% tracing compliance in a "community spread" situation you would undoubtedly wind up quarantining nearly everybody...so maybe the hammer's the right tool for the job.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:59 am

Work makes us sign in stating we will report and isolate after any exposure.

Cooperating with contract tracing now means economic loss for themselves and others. With Congress doing nothing to stimulate, I predict everyone is afraid of a very bad January.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 1:03 am

malchior wrote:Freedumb to go to strip clubs is more important than public health in San Diego.

The Chicago Admiral strip club is closed.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:55 pm

CA counts deaths by the hour now.

CA COVID update: ICU capacity drops to 0% in Southern California as state reports 379 new deaths, shattering record

In Los Angeles County alone, about two people are dying every hour on average from the coronavirus.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 2:59 pm

COVID-19 is now the leading cause of death in the U.S. , afaik an infectious disease hasn't been the leading cause of death in the U.S. since before the advent of antibiotics.

"It's been a long time since an infectious disease was the leading cause of death for the whole country," said lead author Steven Woolf, M.D., director emeritus of VCU's Center on Society and Health. "And it's a tragic milestone we could've prevented."

By October, COVID-19 was the third-leading cause of death for people ages 45 to 84 and the second-leading cause of death for those over 85. But those numbers were an aggregate of the previous eight months.

Since November, the weekly average for daily COVID-19 deaths has tripled, from 826 to 2,430 deaths per day, writes Woolf. Heart disease and cancer, which have been the leading causes of death for decades, cause approximately 1,700 and 1,600 deaths per day, respectively.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 4:55 pm

Imagine being such a colossal douchebag that you feel something like this is a bright idea.

https://twitter.com/davenewworld_2/stat ... 2759989249

I did think the "MASKS=666" sign was an especially nice touch.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:02 pm

Heh, armed security.

Promise you they didn't buy anything, not sure what it accomplishes other than spectacle.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm

I wonder if you are a gun carrier and they approach you if its legal to kill them because you took it as an attempt on your life?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:46 pm

Daehawk wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm I wonder if you are a gun carrier and they approach you if its legal to kill them because you took it as an attempt on your life?

Not legal.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:49 pm

I genuinely hope the next decade brings about serious changes and support for mental health services in this country because we clearly need them.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:50 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:46 pm
Daehawk wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:32 pm I wonder if you are a gun carrier and they approach you if its legal to kill them because you took it as an attempt on your life?
Not legal.

Well, functionally it depends in part on the respective race, class, and genders of the shooter and target.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:59 pm

In case anyone from NJ wants to know where the COVID-19 MEGA VACCINATION TOUR will be stopping next year.

Spoiler:

But officials said New Jersey’s allocation of vaccine doses have been reduced by about 20% through the end of this year, including the expected addition of Moderna doses.

The state had expected to receive more than 492,075 doses this month for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, but that number has dropped to 392,800, Persichilli said.

“I don’t think we’ve got a satisfactory reason why,” Murphy said. “It’s nothing personal. It’s apparently every American state has received a smaller allocation.”

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:13 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 5:59 pm In case anyone from NJ wants to know where the COVID-19 MEGA VACCINATION TOUR will be stopping next year.

Spoiler:
The Meadowlands Complex in Secaucus, Bergen County.
Rockaway Townsquare in Morris County.
The New Jersey Convention and Exposition Center in Edison, Middlesex County.
The Moorestown Mall in Burlington County.
Rowan College in Glassboro, Gloucester County.
The Atlantic City Convention Center in Atlantic County.

But officials said New Jersey’s allocation of vaccine doses have been reduced by about 20% through the end of this year, including the expected addition of Moderna doses.

The state had expected to receive more than 492,075 doses this month for both the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines, but that number has dropped to 392,800, Persichilli said.

“I don’t think we’ve got a satisfactory reason why,” Murphy said. “It’s nothing personal. It’s apparently every American state has received a smaller allocation.”

Heh - got 2 out of 3 right. I'm a little surprised by lack of something more convenient to all the "middle" Shore towns.

malchior wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:38 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Mon Nov 09, 2020 2:31 pm In a perfect world (to me), they'd get drive-through vaccinations figured out. We already do it for influenza, but I don't know if it's practical for whatever they're proposing for this. However, if they can do it, I think that would speed things up considerably - particularly if you can pre-register and get a printout with a bar code (or have your phone scanned).
That is what I see in my head. For example, the Meadowlands. You have rail + car access. The rail could bring supplies and obviously the complex is "optimized" for game day traffic. This would be much lower volume so you'd figure you could stream cars through it. Same thing at a PNC or possibly the Raritan center.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:21 pm

What about the 15 min wait and monitor part for side effects and hospitalizations due to them? Dont want people driving off and dying or wrecking into others and killing them.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:43 pm

Daehawk wrote: Fri Dec 18, 2020 6:21 pm What about the 15 min wait and monitor part for side effects and hospitalizations due to them? Dont want people driving off and dying or wrecking into others and killing them.

New shit has come to light, man. Maybe someday we can do a drive-thru, but with the handful of stories its probably best to skip it for now. I still haven't seen anything suggested there should be widespread concern, just a doubling-down on the pre-screening questions they ask to try and minimize a reaction.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Dec 18, 2020 7:53 pm

Saw that the medical lady that passed out while doing a news interview had a vagus nerve response. She said she can pass out from stubbing her toe or just any pain at all. That must be a horrible thing to live with. Stub your toe going in the store and pass out in the floor. Sneeze to hard and pass out. Driving must be nerve wracking.

Formix · Post by **Formix** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:27 pm

This new strain frankly has me scared. That dang protein spike better still be there in the new strain, or we're back to zero.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 8:08 pm

Apparently Ontario is looking at a month-long lock-down again, starting on Christmas Eve.

Ontario to implement provincewide lockdown on Christmas Eve, sources say

The Ontario government is poised to impose a provincewide lockdown starting Christmas Eve, sources confirmed Sunday, as the province logs more than 2,000 new cases of COVID-19 for the sixth consecutive day.

A 28-day lockdown for the southern portions of the province, south of Sudbury, Ont., will begin at 12:01 a.m. on Thursday, sources confirmed.

Meanwhile, the northern parts of Ontario will be under a 14-day lockdown, sources said.

The restrictions will look similar to the shutdown in March, with only essential businesses remaining open.

Under any scenario, Ontario would see 300 people in ICU by the end of the month, sources said. At the current rate of transmission, that would mean upwards of 700 people in the ICU by the end of January, and the number of new cases would grow to 10,000 per day.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 9:21 pm

I bet those bastards wait until Santa is inside the border!

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:10 pm

A 28-day lockdown for the southern portions of the province, south of Sudbury, Ont., will begin at 12:01 a.m. on Thursday, sources confirmed.

So there will be a 28 days later huh?...yes the zombie apoc is playing out.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:26 pm

I'm beginning to think the reason Trump was a fan of the "herd immunity" plan is because he knew it would have wide support.

More than 2 million people have passed through security checkpoints at U.S. airports over the last two days, according to statistics provided by the Transportation Security Administration. This is despite official guidance to stay home for the holidays as the coronavirus pandemic rages and the nation's death toll continues to rise.

On both Friday and Saturday, about 1.07 million travelers passed through TSA checkpoints, the agency reported. That's down nearly 60% from last year, but still much higher than the typical checkpoint statistics since the pandemic began.

More than 17 million cases of the virus have been reported in the U.S., and over 317,000 people have died, according to the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:32 pm

Also, if you had Eric Clapton and Van Morrison collaborating on an anti-mask / anti-lockdown song, come forward and collect your prize.

https://twitter.com/vanmorrison/status/ ... 0947999745

Have you downloaded @EricClapton and Van Morrison's Stand And Deliver? The two artists have joined forces to support the UK #musicindustry and help musicians who have been struggling financially. We must act now before it's too late.

“Stand and deliver
You let them put the fear on you
Stand and deliver
But not a word you heard was true.”

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:43 pm

Fuck you Eric Clapton and Van Morrison sitting pretty in your country estates while people die. Just fuck off.

There’s only one Stand and Deliver song anyway.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:46 pm

The State Governor is all up in arms about COVID now. Geeee I wonder why....maybe because his wife has it. Idiot evil asshole.

And no guy ever wore makeup like Adam.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:37 pm

$iljanus wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:43 pm Fuck you Eric Clapton and Van Morrison sitting pretty in your country estates while people die. Just fuck off.

There’s only one Stand and Deliver song anyway.

Link is not working so I'm going to assume it's Adam and the Ants. Because I respect your judgement.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Sun Dec 20, 2020 11:57 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:32 pm Also, if you had Eric Clapton and Van Morrison collaborating on an anti-mask / anti-lockdown song, come forward and collect your prize.

https://twitter.com/vanmorrison/status/ ... 0947999745

Have you downloaded @EricClapton and Van Morrison's Stand And Deliver? The two artists have joined forces to support the UK #musicindustry and help musicians who have been struggling financially. We must act now before it's too late.

“Stand and deliver
You let them put the fear on you
Stand and deliver
But not a word you heard was true.”

Van Morrison released a whole album of anti-lockdown tracks earlier this year

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:49 am

Link works for me.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:13 am

That's Sir Van Morrison, OBE and Eric Clapton, CBE, you peasants.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:21 am

Daehawk wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:46 pm The State Governor is all up in arms about COVID now. Geeee I wonder why....maybe because his wife has it.

The SC governor's wife has it to.

In completely unrelated news, the governor and his wife attended a Christmas party in DC last week.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:10 am

Smoove_B wrote: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:32 pm Also, if you had Eric Clapton and Van Morrison collaborating on an anti-mask / anti-lockdown song, come forward and collect your prize.

I have lost track of which celebrities I'm disgusted with over the past four years. I should have been making a list.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:43 pm

Yeah, I had no idea about either one of them. So gross. And speaking of gross:

https://twitter.com/SawyerHackett/statu ... 5699332104

What bothers me most (and I know this came up last week) is that all these (R) officials did everything they could to undermine COVID-19 response and now they're part of the initial fraction of a percent of people getting this shot.I know the argument is that it boosts confidence, but if I am going to choose to give a shot to a frontline worker or 49 year old Marco Rubio, guess who wins? It's not because Marco Rubio is an a-hole (he is). It's because he's in a lower risk category *and* he's easily replaceable. All of the doctors, nurses and technicians that have become sick and/or died? Not so much.

It's enraging.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:48 pm

It is indeed infuriating. They should, at least, be forced to publicly admit they were wrong and apologize for the deaths they helped contribute to, and forced to wear masks from now on and social distance. And pass a relief bill.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 3:07 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 1:13 am That's Sir Van Morrison, OBE and Eric Clapton, CBE, you peasants.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:54 pm

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:17 pm

My gf in Florida went to get tested today and they told her she would hear her results in 7 - 10 days. It’s almost like Florida doesn’t want people to get tested...

RMC · Post by **RMC** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:41 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Mon Dec 21, 2020 6:17 pm My gf in Florida went to get tested today and they told her she would hear her results in 7 - 10 days. It’s almost like Florida doesn’t want people to get tested...

My daughter was exposed at lunch at school in Ohio. We went to the testing that was done by the state. It took almost 10 days to get the results, and we had to fight with them, as they said that they lost the test... She was negative. These places are just swamped with the testing and are focused on the inpatients that the hospitals have. Labcor, and other testing companies were not designed with this volume in mind, not that they will tell you that.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Mon Dec 21, 2020 8:24 pm

it's almost like constant covid-19 testing and contract tracing are basically not tenable in this current culture

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 5:37 am

If one goes to the free state run testing spots around me in SC, you'll get the results in 24-36 hours. We've had others go to private testing spots and it's 3-5 days.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:53 am

She found another place that gets test results back in 24 hours and so went there this morning.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Dec 22, 2020 3:43 pm

Spoke a little soon on my Gov. He isn't doing much after all. Limited gatherings to 10 unless you're a religion then you can cram all ya want in. Also no mask required. He is simply asking you to please pretty please wear one. He knows we'll all do it. Im sure we will. This is TN after all. Oh wait.