Election integrity and the transfer of power

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:35 am

stessier wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:03 am
pr0ner wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:24 am
Unagi wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:07 am So, who would vote for Warnock, but not cast their vote for both???

My guess is it was done in ignorance. Like some people didn’t realize they could ?
I am sure the correct answers are much more involved than simply ignorance.
If the GA electorate is anything like what I witnessed in SC, I would bet my a lot that a significant percentage were unaware they could vote for both.

When I added the votes up this morning, the difference in the two races was 2 votes (it's less than 100 right now). So you'll have to explain why you think that people are unaware they could vote for both.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:37 am

It's interesting that the Georgia runoffs ended up here. I have a feeling this thread is going to get confusing when the certification begins later.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:43 am

Speaking of which, what time does the certification shitshow begin? I’ve heard both noon and 1pm ET.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:46 am

It starts at 1pm, or at least should.

Trump is allegedly speaking at 11am in Georgia. I'm sure it's going to be an awesome warm up act.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am

Decision Desk is calling it for Ossoff. They have him ahead by nearly 20,000

https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/

Post by **ImLawBoy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:56 am

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:20 am Perdue is probably a better candidate than Loeffler, as well. Perdue has won statewide before, whereas Loeffler has not. Wouldn't be shocking if at least a few people responded to Perdue's pitch than didn't respond to Loeffler.

Likely not enough to save Perdue, though.

This aligns with my take. While Perdue wasn't exactly a great candidate, the people had voted for him before. They may say he wasn't so bad. Loeffler was a shit show of a candidate who was appointed to her seat. I think it's quite plausible that a fair number of folks decided they were OK with Perdue but not Loeffler.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:58 am

Blackhawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:37 am It's interesting that the Georgia runoffs ended up here. I have a feeling this thread is going to get confusing when the certification begins later.

Trumpers will probably manufacture conspiracies about the Georgia vote, so this is as good a place as any.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:01 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:58 am
Blackhawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:37 am It's interesting that the Georgia runoffs ended up here. I have a feeling this thread is going to get confusing when the certification begins later.
Trumpers will probably manufacture conspiracies about the Georgia vote, so this is as good a place as any.

Anyone know what the timeline is for when the vote would be certified and when the new Senators would be seated? Obviously the vote counting isn't done yet, and it matters whether the final margin is within automatic recount range (looks like not, but still possible), but curious what the timeline would be.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:13 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:58 am Trumpers will probably manufacture are already promoting multiple conspiracies about the Georgia vote, so this is as good a place as any.

FTFY

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:22 pm

Anyone know what the timeline is for when the vote would be certified and when the new Senators would be seated?

According to PA never

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:42 pm

Credit where credit is due. This guy is a Republican but he refutes Agolf's losing strategy:

Speaking with CNN's Amara Walker on Tuesday evening, Gabriel Sterling [GA election official] said Trump's repeated efforts to challenge the results of the 2020 presidential race in his state needlessly divided the Republican Party, possibly costing them the critical Senate races there.

Daveman · Post by **Daveman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:53 pm

Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:22 pm
Anyone know what the timeline is for when the vote would be certified and when the new Senators would be seated?
According to PA never

I did a quick search and it looks like counties have to certify votes by 1/15, then the SoS has to certify by 1/22. Once certified, they can be sworn in. Assume there will be court challenges that may affect those dates.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:56 pm

Daveman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:53 pm
Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:22 pm
Anyone know what the timeline is for when the vote would be certified and when the new Senators would be seated?
According to PA never
I did a quick search and it looks like counties have to certify votes by 1/15, then the SoS has to certify by 1/22. Once certified, they can be sworn in. Assume there will be court challenges that may affect those dates.

The thing is I assume that McConnell will be majority leader until Warnock and Ossoff are seated. So if Republicans are able to put off any final victories for months with court challenges and whatnot (IIRC Franken didn't take his seat until summer 2009 due to court challenges), seems like Republicans could effectively lop off a big chunk of Biden's effective presidency.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:42 pm Credit where credit is due. This guy is a Republican but he refutes Agolf's losing strategy: is able to view reality as it is rather than how he wishes it was.

Low bar.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:16 pm

Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:52 am Decision Desk is calling it for Ossoff. They have him ahead by nearly 20,000

https://results.decisiondeskhq.com/

That was ten hours ago.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:25 pm

This speech is moving. I think they should just let him stay president.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:36 pm

This is way beyond the extent I thought he'd go, to be honest. We're in third world, dictator country at this point.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:40 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:36 pm This is way beyond the extent I thought he'd go, to be honest. We're in third world, dictator country at this point.

I can't stomach watching. Anything we haven't heard before?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:44 pm

Just a demagogue literally trying to rile his supporters up to the point of violence, that's all.

I especially loved his lamenting that Barr "changed" because he didn't want to be Trump's "personal attorney" in the DoJ.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:45 pm

Yeah, I can't watch him live any more - it just kills me to know that ~70 million American's eat his shit up.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:46 pm

On the plus side, he's destroying Mike Pence's future in politics.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:50 pm

I'm having trouble following his nonsense, but I can say that his speech is more slurred than usual, and his word choice mistakes are all over the place.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 1:58 pm

The only thing that would save Pence at this point is if he certified Biden's win and then screamed "SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!" before running around the chamber high fiving democratic lawmakers.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm

Just a repeat of his greatest hits. I turned it off as I couldn't take any more rambling.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm

Pence has issued a written statement on today's electoral count. To summarize: Eat a bag of dicks, Agolf.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:04 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm Pence has issued a written statement on today's electoral count. To summarize: Eat a bag of dicks, Agolf.

Link?

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:05 pm

Kurth wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:04 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:01 pm Pence has issued a written statement on today's electoral count. To summarize: Eat a bag of dicks, Agolf.
Link?

http://dennismichaellynch.com/breaking- ... ege-votes/

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:08 pm

I don't think that says what you think it says.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:09 pm

Well that really takes all the fun out of the rest of the day.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:12 pm

It is pretty open ended to me. To me that could mean they can raise concerns and I'll ignore them or I might help end the republic. Guess we will see.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pm

Yeah, at no point in that statement does he say anything even remotely resembling the sentiment "eat a bag of dicks". If anything, he's playing it close to the vest and trying to appease Donnie by saying he wants his claims to be examined.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pm

The first objection is in against Arizona. And so it begins.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:14 pm

Arizona is the first state to be objected. Got bammed, so I add fuck these asswipes. Adjourned to separate sessions.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:16 pm

So they have up to two hours to debate. And we're only at Arizona. It's gonna be a long process...

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:16 pm

Ya this will go on for days, but it's 100% theater at this point. I'll see you in 3 days.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:16 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pm Yeah, at no point in that statement does he say anything even remotely resembling the sentiment "eat a bag of dicks". If anything, he's playing it close to the vest and trying to appease Donnie by saying he wants his claims to be examined.

We shall see how Agolf interprets it...

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:16 pm

These speeches are going to be spectacular.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:17 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:16 pm
hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:13 pm Yeah, at no point in that statement does he say anything even remotely resembling the sentiment "eat a bag of dicks". If anything, he's playing it close to the vest and trying to appease Donnie by saying he wants his claims to be examined.
We shall see how Agolf interprets it...

The link you posted may have been the issue. It was from Saturday. A more recent statement from Pence was just released:

"It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not."

Is that perhaps what you were referring to?

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:20 pm

Oh were you guys not reading the statement from today? The one from today clearly is a fu I need to follow the law. And there's zero chance that Trump didn't know that was going to be sent out.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:21 pm

Ah right. That was what the NY Times reported last night. Trump called it fake news and said Pence was aboard.