Election integrity and the transfer of power

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:18 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:12 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:11 pm
Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:08 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... nt-2021%2F
Portland??? What in the actual fuck?

Meanwhile, police radio in DC has reported shots fired. Man, I hope these fiends do some hard time.
That's from July.

So is the National Guard there or not?

https://twitter.com/byaaroncdavis/statu ... 1535288320

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:18 pm

Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:10 pm Just think now we'll have to go through this every 4 years.

Used to be when you had an election you had it and that was that for years. Now its all the political crap you can hear all the time.

I get the feeling all Trump lickers and these folks storming DC are all Type A personalities. Dumb and loud. Probably were all bullies in school too.

I don't think this is an every 4 years or will become a new normal type event. This is a singular moment where we either figure out we have a massive problem and address it headlong or continue to descend into chaos.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm

$iljanus wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:18 pm Reap the whirlwind, seditious lawmakers. This is the result of your enabling of this bullshit.

I predict history will not be kind to these people.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:18 pm They are hemming and hawing, reluctant to have images of a militarized DC.

https://twitter.com/Vanessid/status/1346906560769839107

Reminder fo what capitol "security" in full military-grade riot gear looked like for Black Lives Matter protests this summer.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm

Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm

Remember when they gassed people for a photo op? Apparently not important compared to Trumpists storming the capitol and interruption of a constitutional activity.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?

Keystone Cops apparently.

Fretmute · Post by **Fretmute** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:52 pm I suspect Elijah Schaffer may come to regret that tweet. As the Malheur protestors learned, law enforcement can have a long memory, and DC may not provide as many sympathetic juries as Oregon did.

Right? I don't do a whole lot of criming, but I imagine that "Maybe don't tweet out evidence" is somewhere on the list of Don'ts.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm

pr0ner wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:56 pm Mitt is PISSED.

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/1346907794830712834

I wonder how many of them realize how culpable they themselves are. Today.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm

Sorry. Thought the date would be more obvious.

File that under “there’s always a tweet.”

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:21 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?

Yes. Very outmanned.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MEPFuller/st ... 9561579532

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:21 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?
Keystone Cops apparently.

apparently they are scattered and in point defense mode. It is a full on siege.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:21 pm

Skinypupy wrote:
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:18 pm They are hemming and hawing, reluctant to have images of a militarized DC.
https://twitter.com/Vanessid/status/1346906560769839107

Reminder fo what capitol "security" in full military-grade riot gear looked like for Black Lives Matter protests this summer.

And remember Lafayette Square. No hesitation clearing peaceful protesters on that day.

But due to what I would call a "failure of planning and imagination" it would be a bloody mess since the building has been penetrated and the "protesters" control the ground.

Something is gonna give though...

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:22 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?
Keystone Cops apparently.

Uh, I wouldn't put this on them in this way.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:23 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?
Keystone Cops apparently.

This. It's very embarrassing in terms of the security of one of our branches of governments. Were they manned by the French? (I kid, I kid)

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:23 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:21 pm
hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?
Keystone Cops apparently.
apparently they are scattered and in point defense mode. It is a full on siege.

Yeah, I should probably be more understanding and sympathetic to their plight. They're probably doing their best. But they better get help fast.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:23 pm

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/13 ... 0053535748

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:24 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:18 pm They are hemming and hawing, reluctant to have images of a militarized DC.
https://twitter.com/Vanessid/status/1346906560769839107

Reminder fo what capitol "security" in full military-grade riot gear looked like for Black Lives Matter protests this summer.

Of course, that was a caravan of brown people. White troops on white people would look bad.

OTOH more creme dream for Putin.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:26 pm

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/13 ... 1109082113

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:29 pm

The Meal wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:52 pm
The Meal wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:45 pm Stephen Ignoramus stream (inside the capitol)
Getting peaceably ushered out by Capitol Police at the moment. Protestors bummed they "couldn't get strands of Pelosi's hair".

Did not actually get ushered out. However police in riot gear have arrived and a stun gun (by the sounds of it) is being deployed (was not actually a taser; AFAICT no weapon has been used on protestors in this video stream).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:29 pm

Is there anyone else besides DC National Guard that could help out? More DC Police?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:30 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:29 pm Is there anyone else besides DC National Guard that could help out? More DC Police?

Who knows plus the streets are full of these idiots.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:31 pm

El Guapo wrote:Is there anyone else besides DC National Guard that could help out? More DC Police?

Montgomery County MD units have arrived to help. I assume other local police units from surrounding states are on the way or ready to assist.

But because they've ceded so much ground to so many people it's going to be pretty dicey for a while.

This isn't BLM or Antifa. There's no talk of securing Federal property unlike Trump's proclamations of taking back our Federal buildings in Portland.

Trump is letting this go on. The 25th Amendment needs to be considered.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:31 pm

CNN just reported woman was shot in the chest and evaced from the Capitol.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:31 pm

Ugh, I just saw a citizen journalist who was next to the woman shot in the neck. He posted video and it's horrific, she was wearing a Trump flag cape.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:33 pm

I'm hoping at the very least the folks caught on video and in photos would be fired from their jobs. Hit 'em in their pocketbook I say.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:33 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:31 pm CNN just reported woman was shot in the chest and evaced from the Capitol.

Probably the video someone posted upthread of a woman being evacuated.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:34 pm

raydude wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:33 pm I'm hoping at the very least the folks caught on video and in photos would be fired from their jobs. Hit 'em in their pocketbook I say.

I'm usually the one railing against cancel culture...but...yeah...screw 'em. They deserve all the hell life can give them.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:34 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm Remember when they gassed people for a photo op? Apparently not important compared to Trumpists storming the capitol and interruption of a constitutional activity.

This is what I was thinking as I saw things unfolding. The racism and bias shows through in moments like these, when certain kinds of people get the soft treatment.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:35 pm

VA is sending their national guard because Trumps lackeys may have blocked action.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jmartNYT/sta ... 7026516992

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:35 pm

House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy was on CBS condemning the violence and says it's un-American.

He says that Trump needs to talk to the nation to stop this, but he ducks citing Trump as being responsible for this.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:37 pm

I know inauguration day is only two weeks away, and the Senate wouldn't do anything, but....regardless, Trump should be impeached tomorrow.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:37 pm

This may very well be the moment of truth for many of these trump supporting politicians. They know he can't win, but do they want to tie themselves to an actual coup attempt in the process?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm

hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:23 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:21 pm
hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:20 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:19 pm Who is there now? Capitol Hill police? DC Police?
Keystone Cops apparently.
apparently they are scattered and in point defense mode. It is a full on siege.
Yeah, I should probably be more understanding and sympathetic to their plight. They're probably doing their best. But they better get help fast.

This is not on them. Their top priority is protecting the legislators and their staff. Securing buildings is only a goal on as much as it helps their top priority. Once breached, fuck the building, get the people out to safety.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:37 pm I know inauguration day is only two weeks away, and the Senate wouldn't do anything, but....regardless, Trump should be impeached tomorrow.

There is no question that he needs to be impeached with gusto.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:38 pm

https://twitter.com/MEPFuller/status/13 ... 4769693697

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:40 pm

hepcat wrote:This may very well be the moment of truth for many of these trump supporting politicians. They know he can't win, but do they want to tie themselves to an actual coup attempt in the process?

The only good thing about this is that it may light a fire under people's asses and make people realize that Trumpism is the death of our republic.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:42 pm

When Congress reconvenes it will be in Fort Apache DC.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:44 pm

Looking forward to all these assholes doing prison time. /s

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 1380837378

Anarchists, Agitators or Protestors who vandalize or damage our Federal Courthouse in Portland, or any Federal Buildings in any of our Cities or States, will be prosecuted under our recently re-enacted Statues & Monuments Act. MINIMUM TEN YEARS IN PRISON. Don’t do it

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:46 pm

My hope is that no prosecutions happen until after the 20th. Otherwise I foresee Trump pardoning everyone involved.