Election integrity and the transfer of power

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:47 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:46 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:43 pm
msteelers wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:21 pm
El Guapo wrote:What's the status of the electoral college vote, certification, and "debate"? My sense is that it was paused by the chaos? Any indication of when it will resume?
From what I understand it’s paused, but the plan is to resume as soon as it is safe to do so.
So like....do we have any sense of when that will be?
I wouldn't be shocked if it was tonight.

Agreed, they have windows and doors to shore up.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:47 pm

https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1346934098384793606

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:48 pm

malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:46 pm I wouldn't be shocked if it was tonight.

And as stated earlier, I won't be surprised if Ted Cruz and the other enablers continue with their nonsense as soon as it resumes.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:49 pm

pr0ner wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:47 pm https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1346934098384793606

Bravo, it had to be done.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:50 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:49 pm
pr0ner wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:47 pm https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1346934098384793606
Bravo, it had to be done.

Years ago.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:50 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:48 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:46 pm I wouldn't be shocked if it was tonight.
And as stated earlier, I won't be surprised if Ted Cruz and the other enablers continue with their nonsense as soon as it resumes.

I would be far more surprised if they didn’t.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:51 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:13 pm
hepcat wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:11 pmDistancing themselves is the last thing we want. We want them to acknowledge this was wrong, not find a fictional scapegoat that fits their initial agenda.
The former is the latter. They know this is wrong, which is why they are distancing themselves. And that's good for everyone.

Well, before we get too far ahead of ourselves - I do not think that they are actually running with the idea that this was bad (not the Trump Base/Qanon crowd).... Which is who we were talking about originally... we were not talking about Ted Crud or others in the GOP.

gameoverman · Post by **gameoverman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:54 pm

Trump has been Trump from the start, that's why a lot of us we're saying "You can't vote for him" back in 2016. He declared the election stolen, if he lost, before election day. He has incited the far right all along. Don't look to him to do the right thing now. If anything expect him to push things further. Keep in mind that Biden still has to take office, that will be another day like this one but likely worse.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:56 pm

Unagi wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:51 pmI do not think that they are actually running with the idea that this was bad (not the Trump Base/Qanon crowd)

The QAnon crowd is crazy. Nothing will ever sway them. But they are still a distinct minority within the Republican Party. And even discounting today - after Georgia, I think the GOP is going to have to some hard thinking about whether or not they want to continue courting that crowd. You can't run an effective political party while filling it with crazy people.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:58 pm

What I wonder is why the police are still just "clearing" the Capitol. Why aren't they escorting the invaders into police vans?

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:00 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:58 pm What I wonder is why the police are still just "clearing" the Capitol. Why aren't they escorting the invaders into police vans?

Lack of melanin.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:00 pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/RobinWigg/st ... 7365330948

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:02 pm

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/13469 ... 55362?s=20

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:03 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:58 pmWhat I wonder is why the police are still just "clearing" the Capitol. Why aren't they escorting the invaders into police vans?

No need to. It would needlessly enflame the crowd while offering no benefit. These people are leaving tons of evidence everywhere. They're carrying their phones, taking tons of pictures. We're not going to have any problem tracking them down later.

Over the next few months, they will come to realize this.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:05 pm

It's all happening faster now

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1346934788310097923

CNN: National Association of Manufacturers, the nation's largest manufacturing association, called on Vice President Mike Pence Wednesday to consider working to remove President Trump from office.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:05 pm

I'm hearing that stuff is also happening at the KS state house

Edit:

UPDATE: According to the Kansas Highway Patrol, protesters at the Kansas Statehouse obtained a permit allowing them to protest at the capitol. There was no breach. This permit allowed protesters to not only be on the lawn, but also inside the building.

https://www.ksnt.com/capitol-bureau/pro ... tatehouse/

Nevermind.

gbasden · Post by **gbasden** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:06 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:03 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:58 pmWhat I wonder is why the police are still just "clearing" the Capitol. Why aren't they escorting the invaders into police vans?
No need to. It would needlessly enflame the crowd while offering no benefit. These people are leaving tons of evidence everywhere. They're carrying their phones, taking tons of pictures. We're not going to have any problem tracking them down later.

Over the next few months, they will come to realize this.

I'm sorry, but fuck that. Once again it looks like entitled white people can do whatever they want. Arrest the fucks.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:07 pm

https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status ... 5176783873

Well, confirmation that the cops literally just let them through

D.A.Lewis · Post by **D.A.Lewis** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:08 pm

gameoverman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:54 pm Trump has been Trump from the start, that's why a lot of us we're saying "You can't vote for him" back in 2016. He declared the election stolen, if he lost, before election day. He has incited the far right all along. Don't look to him to do the right thing now. If anything expect him to push things further. Keep in mind that Biden still has to take office, that will be another day like this one but likely worse.

Yup, I was laughing with some folks when they thought it would be over after the electoral college met. This will not be over until the last minute of Trumps presidency on Jan 20th.

The sad thing is that his advisors are not telling him he will not be president after the 20th no matter what he does. I had to explain to some knowledgeable people that the presidency is for only one term, even in the unlikely event that no election was held in Nov.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:10 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:02 pm https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/13469 ... 55362?s=20

They could arrest them under innkeeper laws!

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:12 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:07 pm https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status ... 5176783873

Well, confirmation that the cops literally just let them through

I'm not sure I would call that a "breach." Looked a lot more like an invitation to enter. Heads are going to roll.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:13 pm

D.A.Lewis wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:08 pm
gameoverman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:54 pm Trump has been Trump from the start, that's why a lot of us we're saying "You can't vote for him" back in 2016. He declared the election stolen, if he lost, before election day. He has incited the far right all along. Don't look to him to do the right thing now. If anything expect him to push things further. Keep in mind that Biden still has to take office, that will be another day like this one but likely worse.
Yup, I was laughing with some folks when they thought it would be over after the electoral college met. This will not be over until the last minute of Trumps presidency on Jan 20th.

The sad thing is that his advisors are not telling him he will not be president after the 20th no matter what he does. I had to explain to some knowledgeable people that the presidency is for only one term, even in the unlikely event that no election was held in Nov.

Yeah, but once the electoral college ballots are finally counted, Biden automatically becomes president on January 20th without any further action. TrumpVolk can and will cause further chaos and disruption, but it won't amount to anything.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:18 pm

https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/13 ... nt-2021%2F

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:25 pm

https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/statu ... 0165101572

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:26 pm

I should go up there an claim the Jefferson Memorial. Ive always liked its architecture.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:26 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:08 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... nt-2021%2F

Nothing to worry about, they are Patriots.

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:29 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:12 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:11 pm
Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:08 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... nt-2021%2F
Portland??? What in the actual fuck?

Meanwhile, police radio in DC has reported shots fired. Man, I hope these fiends do some hard time.
That's from July.

So is the National Guard there or not?

I think you're missing the point. This tweet was directed @ the antifa\blm protests. He made this statement then and the irony is we can use his words to what we are seeing today.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:29 pm

Every single Republican Senator and Representative changing their tune today:

https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654934442549620736

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:33 pm

https://twitter.com/business/status/134 ... 39528?s=20

MAGA warriors engage in ritual destruction of totems of enemy tribe.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:33 pm

El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:29 pm Is there anyone else besides DC National Guard that could help out? More DC Police?

VA Gov said he's sending 200 troops.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:36 pm

Guess where my Trump loving coworker is today? Thankfully they remained somewhat peaceful and just masturbated all over each other to Trump's speeches.

Holman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:33 pm https://twitter.com/business/status/134 ... 39528?s=20

MAGA warriors engage in ritual destruction of totems of enemy tribe.

according to the comments, those aren't Trump supporters. Sure, they're wearing MAGA hats and shouting Trump's name...but they're not Trump supporters!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:40 pm

Alefroth wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:33 pm
El Guapo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 4:29 pm Is there anyone else besides DC National Guard that could help out? More DC Police?
VA Gov said he's sending 200 troops.

More than that. He's sending some of the VA National Guard plus 200 State Troopers.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:43 pm

Little Raven wrote:https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/13 ... nt-2021%2F

This was my thought. Is this in the realm of possibility?

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:45 pm

God knows my track record on predictions is god awful, but I actually think there might be a chance this succeeds now. McConnel is beyond furious. Key Republican Senators are actually calling Trump out.

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/statu ... 6812938241

This might finally be the last straw. I certainly hope it is.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:46 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:18 pm https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/13 ... nt-2021%2F

I agree with this 1000%.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:46 pm

Max Peck wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:25 pm

https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/statu ... 0165101572

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pm

Xmann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:43 pm
Little Raven wrote:https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/13 ... nt-2021%2F
This was my thought. Is this in the realm of possibility?

I don't understand the point of this. The Senate will not impeach him and, even if they did, the proceedings would drag on until long after he was out of office. Why don't they just wait until he's out of power and then charge him for inciting a riot and about 200 other things? I feel certain that the DC courts will be far less sympathetic to him than the US Senate.

Dave Allen · Post by **Dave Allen** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:48 pm

The protestor's that remain are the largest assemblage of violent right-wingers in American history. The least that must be done is surround and arrest them all for trespassing. Having all their fingerprints will be a HUGE help in solving future cases of domestic terrorism.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:48 pm

https://twitter.com/KevOnStage/status/1 ... 45920?s=20

Apollo · Post by **Apollo** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:49 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:46 pm
Max Peck wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:25 pm

https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/statu ... 0165101572

Actually, Tommy Tubberville knows Defense very well, it's Offense that has always been his Achilles heel.