Election integrity and the transfer of power

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:49 pm

Max Peck wrote:

https://twitter.com/BunkiePerkins/statu ... 0165101572

Very nicely done

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:50 pm

So many layers to what happened today.

https://twitter.com/SenJeffMerkley/stat ... 5932648451

Electoral college ballots rescued from the Senate floor. If our capable floor staff hadn’t grabbed them, they would have been burned by the mob.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:50 pm

Apollo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pmThe Senate will not impeach him and, even if they did, the proceedings would drag on until long after he was out of office.

The Senate wouldn't have impeached him 24 hours ago. Now? I'm not so sure.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:51 pm

https://newschannel9.com/news/nation-wo ... de#photo-2

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:53 pm

Apollo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pm I don't understand the point of this. The Senate will not impeach him and, even if they did, the proceedings would drag on until long after he was out of office. Why don't they just wait until he's out of power and then charge him for inciting a riot and about 200 other things? I feel certain that the DC courts will be far less sympathetic to him than the US Senate.

A president could be impeached in a single House vote of twenty minutes. The Senate trial takes longer, but it's not subject to lawyerly delay tactics.

They could impeach Trump this week if the will were there. And (because impeachment is a political and not a judicial action) it wouldn't preclude later charges in any venue.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:54 pm

Ah screw this. Time to turn off the news and play some Anachrony. I need a break from reality.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:55 pm

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/stat ... 1639946245

ALERT: Person shot at US Capitol today has died, per law enforcement source

I saw the video on Twitter. She was dead when she hit the ground. Died wearing a Trump flag like a cape.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:50 pm
Electoral college ballots rescued from the Senate floor. If our capable floor staff hadn’t grabbed them, they would have been burned by the mob.

Still, those votes are already recorded. Burning the paper wouldn't reset the count.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pm

gbasden wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:06 pm
Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:03 pm
Jaymann wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:58 pmWhat I wonder is why the police are still just "clearing" the Capitol. Why aren't they escorting the invaders into police vans?
No need to. It would needlessly enflame the crowd while offering no benefit. These people are leaving tons of evidence everywhere. They're carrying their phones, taking tons of pictures. We're not going to have any problem tracking them down later.

Over the next few months, they will come to realize this.
I'm sorry, but fuck that. Once again it looks like entitled white people can do whatever they want. Arrest the fucks.

They don't have the capacity to arrest all of them. They don't have the manpower or the vehicles or probably jail space. Whether that was planned or not, can't say.

They should be making examples of some of them though. Why they're not, I'm not sure. Maybe fear that it will get out of control?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pm
They don't have the capacity to arrest all of them. They don't have the manpower or the vehicles or probably jail space. Whether that was planned or not, can't say.

They should be making examples of some of them though. Why they're not, I'm not sure. Maybe fear that it will get out of control?

The major Proud Boy players are known to law enforcement and left a rich trail of physical and photographic evidence today. Sweep them up at least.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pmThey should be making examples of some of them though. Why they're not, I'm not sure. Maybe fear that it will get out of control?

One person is already dead. We should try to keep the count at 1.

There's ~0 percent chance that anyone involved "gets away" with anything.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:59 pm

Holman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:50 pm
Electoral college ballots rescued from the Senate floor. If our capable floor staff hadn’t grabbed them, they would have been burned by the mob.

Still, those votes are already recorded. Burning the paper wouldn't reset the count.

Seems like it would be a delay though, since they were certifying the paper ballots.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:06 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pmThey should be making examples of some of them though. Why they're not, I'm not sure. Maybe fear that it will get out of control?
One person is already dead. We should try to keep the count at 1.

There's ~0 percent chance that anyone involved "gets away" with anything.

And Santa really uses flying reindeer.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:07 pm

When Bush and two generations of Cheney come out against you, you might just be a failed dictator.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:08 pm

Shitbag liar with a following a idiots and assholes.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0910707712

Hamlet3145 · Post by **Hamlet3145** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:10 pm

Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:08 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0910707712

He needs to go. Now.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:11 pm

Hamlet3145 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:10 pm
Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:08 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0910707712
He needs to go. Now.

How can any member of Congress not support impeaching him right now?

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:11 pm

They really need to ban his account right now.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:12 pm

Octavious wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:11 pm They really need to ban his account right now.

I just read that FB of all places took down his most recent video.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:12 pm

Hamlet3145 wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:10 pm
Daehawk wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:08 pm https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0910707712
He needs to go. Now.

It fails the Turing test.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:13 pm

stessier wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:06 pm
Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:56 pmThey should be making examples of some of them though. Why they're not, I'm not sure. Maybe fear that it will get out of control?
One person is already dead. We should try to keep the count at 1.

There's ~0 percent chance that anyone involved "gets away" with anything.
And Santa really uses flying reindeer.

Throw up the Baghdad Bob image saying 'Law and Order' still prevail. We are a failed state. There is no debate any longer.

JCC · Post by **JCC** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:13 pm

Apollo wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:47 pm I don't understand the point of this. The Senate will not impeach him and, even if they did, the proceedings would drag on until long after he was out of office. Why don't they just wait until he's out of power and then charge him for inciting a riot and about 200 other things? I feel certain that the DC courts will be far less sympathetic to him than the US Senate.

The point is, in addition to being removed from office (too late) he would also be prohibited from running for president again. But, I agree that there wouldn't be enough GOP votes to impeach him.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pm

I am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.

Enough · Post by **Enough** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:18 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pm I am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.

I wonder how long we have to wait until we learn why the capitol police were so friendly to the rioters?

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:20 pm

Whoever was in charge of security should be fired. You've got Congress voting on the EC, thousands of Trump supporters who believe they were cheated, and multiple speakers and the president egging them on, and they knew or should have known that they would possibly go to the Capitol. You always hope for the best but plan for the worst. Anyone who wasn't worried about this possibly happening and didn't plan for it is incompetent.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:21 pm

The head of the National Association of Manufacturers, a group representing 14,000 companies in the U.S., on Wednesday said clashes in Washington that interrupted a Congressional gathering to certify Electoral College results of the 2020 presidential election were “not the vision of America that manufacturers believe in” and called on Vice President Pence to “seriously consider” invoking the 25th Amendment of the Constitution to remove President Donald Trump from office.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/06/nationa ... ition.html

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:21 pm

Enough wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:18 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pm I am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.
I wonder how long we have to wait until we learn why the capitol police were so friendly to the rioters?

Seriously.

Maybe we should have them replaced by tour guides. At least then, they'll be able to inform them of the history as they welcome them to the Capitol.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:22 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pmI am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.

Of that I have no doubt.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:22 pm

Enough wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:18 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pm I am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.
I wonder how long we have to wait until we learn why the capitol police were so friendly to the rioters?

Strangely enough, that is one aspect I sort of understand. They were woefully ill prepared and undermanned. They gave ground to a relatively non-violent crowd rather than escalate to a bloodbath.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:22 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pm I am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.

Definitely. The discussions that happened in the National Security circles were probably harrowing.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:23 pm

They brought in backup, the "revolutionaries" are just standing around live streaming now. Guessing that nothing happens tonight, at least not mob related. There may be an unhinged individual or two who do something.

Enough wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:18 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:14 pm I am guessing there is stuff happening behind the scenes in D.C. right now that we're only going to learn about 25+ years from now.
I wonder how long we have to wait until we learn why the capitol police were so friendly to the rioters?

Self preservation? want to say that hippies and BLM protestors are less likely to shoot back. But it may very well be just whiteness.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:24 pm

https://twitter.com/GovPhilScott/status ... 7229207556

Scott is a Republican.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:24 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:56 pm
Unagi wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:51 pmI do not think that they are actually running with the idea that this was bad (not the Trump Base/Qanon crowd)
The QAnon crowd is crazy. Nothing will ever sway them. But they are still a distinct minority within the Republican Party. And even discounting today - after Georgia, I think the GOP is going to have to some hard thinking about whether or not they want to continue courting that crowd. You can't run an effective political party while filling it with crazy people.

I'm sorry, I have to disagree. Yes, QANON is a minority but there are far too many otherwise reasonable rational Republicans that are bought into the whole conspiracy theory of election fraud, covid fraud, etc. I know because I personally know many of them. Crazy people may not be the majority but they are definitely a large influential minority. The Republican Party is the official party of the crazies. They are too far gone, I am sadly afraid.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:24 pm

Bush uses the term "insurrection" to describe this:

https://twitter.com/AaronBlake/status/1 ... 8636242946

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:27 pm

Grifman wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:24 pmThe Republican Party is the official party of the crazies. They are too far gone, I am sadly afraid.

Oh, I agree that we're looking at an 1854 situation here. The GOP, as it currently exists, is non-viable. Today made that fact crystal clear.

But political parties don't stay dead for long in this country. Our electoral system guarantees it. The interesting question is - what comes next?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:28 pm

Hard to believe but considering the source this is an extraordinary tweet.

https://twitter.com/AprilDRyan/status/1 ... 6512576514

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:32 pm

https://twitter.com/Popehat/status/1346958689719132162

I would say it's already a shitshow.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:33 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:48 pm
malchior wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:46 pm I wouldn't be shocked if it was tonight.
And as stated earlier, I won't be surprised if Ted Cruz and the other enablers continue with their nonsense as soon as it resumes.

There is tremendous pressure by Republicans on Cruz, Hawley, Blackburn, etc to drop their EC objection ploy. Heard that the hard core Trumpers are meeting now trying to decide what to do. Let's hope they put country over Trump for at least one time.

Little Raven · Post by **Little Raven** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:34 pm

https://twitter.com/McCormackJohn/statu ... nt-2021%2F

Holy shit.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:35 pm

Little Raven wrote: Wed Jan 06, 2021 6:58 pm There's ~0 percent chance that anyone involved "gets away" with anything.

There is still a couple of weeks for Trump to pardon them. If he's willing to pardon Blackwater goons who gunned down unarmed women and children, why not a few patriotic Big Igloo boys?