Election integrity and the transfer of power

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:08 pm

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/ ... 00424.html

Rand Paul’s neighbor, where are you when this country needs you??!?

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:15 pm

He's up for re-election in 2022. I sure hope they put the corporate spotlight on his campaign cash flow, because he's a complete and total POS. I need to believe corporate America really doesn't want to be seen donating to someone that supports that agenda.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:29 pm

Also, that POS Rand keeps trying to insinuate that journalists don’t insert themselves into a story by correcting or even challenging their subjects. What a load of shit. Frost and Nixon comes to mind almost immediately. There have ALWAYS been journalists who speak truth to power. Just because scumbags like you want to get away with shit doesn’t mean others are wrong for pointing out you’re a piece of human filth.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:50 pm

hepcat wrote:Also, that POS Rand keeps trying to insinuate that journalists don’t insert themselves into a story by correcting or even challenging their subjects. What a load of shit. Frost and Nixon comes to mind almost immediately. There have ALWAYS been journalists who speak truth to power. Just because scumbags like you want to get away with shit doesn’t mean others are wrong for pointing out you’re a piece of human filth.

Rand and the GOP just want to profit from the bad faith argument(s).

This is all about the grift. Selling lies for money and political power.

It is a proven money maker, and a growth industry now.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:15 pm He's up for re-election in 2022. I sure hope they put the corporate spotlight on his campaign cash flow, because he's a complete and total POS. I need to believe corporate America really doesn't want to be seen donating to someone that supports that agenda.

Mississippi will go Blue before Kentucky does.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm

Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:02 pm

Daehawk wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming

Again I ask, who would be the two sides in a civil war? If it's deplorables vs the US Army, it's over before it starts. If it is fighting in the streets between deplorables and leftists, that's not civil war, that's civil unrest.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:24 pm

Probably stupid asshats vs non stupid Americans. Im sure the military is riddled with both.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:27 pm

As long as I get to form Master Blaster with Jaymann in any combat situation, we’re good. I’ve got his head basket all picked out.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:30 pm

Jaymann wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:02 pm
Daehawk wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming
Again I ask, who would be the two sides in a civil war? If it's deplorables vs the US Army, it's over before it starts. If it is fighting in the streets between deplorables and leftists, that's not civil war, that's civil unrest.

He's writing about class war. There's been one simmering for decades, and his side has been winning. He's afraid that's going to reverse. If the billionaire class sics its army on a revolting underclass, with whom will the soldiers fight? What class of people comprise the army? He's right to be worried.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:32 pm

Whomever signs the paychecks.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:26 am

"people coming from liberal side like you, you immediately say everything is a lie."

Gaslight much?

I hope the preponderance of corporate donors remember this. Let the MAGATs go broke funding him.

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 9:29 am

Kraken wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:30 pm
Jaymann wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 10:02 pm
Daehawk wrote: Sun Jan 24, 2021 9:58 pm Fall of America: Founder Of Largest Hedge Fund Says Full-Blown Civil War, Revolution May Be Coming
Again I ask, who would be the two sides in a civil war? If it's deplorables vs the US Army, it's over before it starts. If it is fighting in the streets between deplorables and leftists, that's not civil war, that's civil unrest.
He's writing about class war. There's been one simmering for decades, and his side has been winning. He's afraid that's going to reverse. If the billionaire class sics its army on a revolting underclass, with whom will the soldiers fight? What class of people comprise the army? He's right to be worried.

This "possible" civil war has a lot of similarities to the Spanish Civil War in the 1930s. I won't go into it, but if you just look at the brief history of that war, why it was started and who fought on each side it is kind of similar to the US today.

The Spanish War was eventually won by the side that had high level Military defectors at the outset.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:31 am

Go Dominion!

They just hit Giuliani with a 1.3 billion dollar lawsuit.

I love it. Put him on the seat and when he can't produce any evidence to back up his lies, punish that fucker into bankruptcy. What he did was god awful and he deserves every bad thing that's about to happen to him.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:21 pm

It's not over yet! This explains why no Florida Man sightings recently - it was all part of the plan!

Luxurious bunker!

wonderpug · Post by **wonderpug** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:25 pm

How do we start pushing the narrative of "Biden is actually just Trump wearing a high tech disguise! Go along with everything Biden says because it's not really him!"

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:29 pm

wonderpug wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:25 pm How do we start pushing the narrative of "Biden is actually just Trump wearing a high tech disguise! Go along with everything Biden says because it's not really him!"

Already there man.

https://mobile.twitter.com/parlertakes/ ... 4018643968

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:35 pm

It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous and sad.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:45 pm

It's the little touches, like the excuse for word slurring that really sell it.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:58 pm

I really can't tell whether that was a real Parler post or whether that was a parody.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:05 pm

That's a #chan post.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:18 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:58 pm I really can't tell whether that was a real Parler post or whether that was a parody.

I don't know either, as I generally try to steer clear of that sewage.

I do peek in at the Parlertakes or Copingmaga twitter feeds now and then for the lulz, but really have no idea if posts like that are actually serious or some sort of internet performance art.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:55 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:35 pm It would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous and sad.

I'm trying to see the downside of "what if Trumpers were convinced Biden was actually Trump and therefore followed him" and I'm not seeing it.

hitbyambulance · Post by **hitbyambulance** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:13 pm

Skinypupy wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 1:18 pm
El Guapo wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 12:58 pm I really can't tell whether that was a real Parler post or whether that was a parody.
I don't know either, as I generally try to steer clear of that sewage.

I do peek in at the Parlertakes or Copingmaga twitter feeds now and then for the lulz, but really have no idea if posts like that are actually serious or some sort of internet performance art.

as mentioned before, with a crowd readily predisposed to believe whatever if it fits their worldview, it's fertile ground for an enterprising troublemaker to sow some weird creative-writing exercises and see which ones take root in the populist imagination.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:23 pm

LordMortis wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 pm It only took until mid January and the government drawing the line at seditious riots for the last of the Trump/MAGA/Blue Line yard signs and flags to disappear from my normalized commutes to the grocer/work. All that remains is one We Support Our Police yard sign that replaced a Trump yard sign.

And.... two new blue line stars and stripes flags and one new Don't Tread on Me flag have appeared.

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 4:31 pm

LordMortis wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:23 pm
LordMortis wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 pm It only took until mid January and the government drawing the line at seditious riots for the last of the Trump/MAGA/Blue Line yard signs and flags to disappear from my normalized commutes to the grocer/work. All that remains is one We Support Our Police yard sign that replaced a Trump yard sign.
And.... two new blue line stars and stripes flags and one new Don't Tread on Me flag have appeared.

One of my two immediate neighbors who were flying police flags has taken his down. IDK why or when; I just noticed today.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:29 pm

LordMortis wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 2:23 pm
LordMortis wrote: Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:04 pm It only took until mid January and the government drawing the line at seditious riots for the last of the Trump/MAGA/Blue Line yard signs and flags to disappear from my normalized commutes to the grocer/work. All that remains is one We Support Our Police yard sign that replaced a Trump yard sign.
And.... two new blue line stars and stripes flags and one new Don't Tread on Me flag have appeared.

The Gadsden flag (black snake on yellow, "Don't Tread on Me") should really be consigned to the rubbish with the Confederate battle flag. It has long been claimed by right-wing militias, and the Proud Boys take their colors from it.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 8:46 pm

Since getting sued Rudy has started preaching Biden won the election.

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:14 pm

Holman wrote: Mon Jan 25, 2021 7:29 pm The Gadsden flag (black snake on yellow, "Don't Tread on Me") should really be consigned to the rubbish with the Confederate battle flag. It has long been claimed by right-wing militias, and the Proud Boys take their colors from it.

Maybe just update it...

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:35 pm

I think Snopes decided it was apocryphal that the insurrectionist who was trampled to death was carrying the Gadsden flag.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 10:41 pm

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Jan 25, 2021 11:23 pm

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:22 am

I was walking the dog this morning and noticed two huge parked police SUVs marked "Federal Protective Service / Department of Homeland Security."

There aren't any political events happening nearby, and the nearest Federal property is miles away downtown. I wonder if they were here to talk to someone involved in the Capitol invasion.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:40 am

We've all read a lot about the craziness of four years of the Trump administration, but nothing I've read beats the story of these four hours in the White House. This is truly insane:

https://twitter.com/axios/status/135656 ... 66400?s=20

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:28 am

Finally Herschmann had enough. "Why the fuck do you keep standing up and screaming at me?" he shot back at Flynn. "If you want to come over here, come over here. If not, sit your ass down." Flynn sat back down.

Byrne, wearing jeans, a hoodie and a neck gaiter, piped up with his own conspiracy: "I know how this works. I bribed Hillary Clinton $18 million on behalf of the FBI for a sting operation."

Herschmann stared at the eccentric millionaire. "What the hell are you talking about? Why would you say something like that?" Byrne brought up the bizarre Clinton bribery claim several more times during the meeting to the astonishment of White House lawyers.

Trump, for his part, also seemed perplexed by Byrne. But he was not entirely convinced the ideas Powell was presenting were insane.

The arguments became so heated that even Giuliani — still on the phone — at one point told everyone to calm down. One participant later recalled: "When Rudy's the voice of reason, you know the meeting's not going well."

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:32 am

Jonathan Swan's podcast series "How It Happened: Trump's Last Stand" (also from Axios) offers a very well-reported narrative of Trump's fight to overturn the election. Swan's reporting was done on background (so he can't name sources), but it's clear that he has talked to many people who were in the room for Trump's weirdest meetings and phone calls.

About this series: The reporting in this series is based on multiple interviews with current and former White House, campaign, government and congressional officials as well as direct eyewitnesses and people close to President Trump. Sources have been granted anonymity to share sensitive observations or details they would not be formally authorized to disclose. President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:42 pm

Holman wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:32 am Jonathan Swan's podcast series "How It Happened: Trump's Last Stand" (also from Axios) offers a very well-reported narrative of Trump's fight to overturn the election. Swan's reporting was done on background (so he can't name sources), but it's clear that he has talked to many people who were in the room for Trump's weirdest meetings and phone calls.

About this series: The reporting in this series is based on multiple interviews with current and former White House, campaign, government and congressional officials as well as direct eyewitnesses and people close to President Trump. Sources have been granted anonymity to share sensitive observations or details they would not be formally authorized to disclose. President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication.

I just finished reading the articles on Axios - do the podcasts go into more depth?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:02 pm

stessier wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 12:42 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 11:32 am Jonathan Swan's podcast series "How It Happened: Trump's Last Stand" (also from Axios) offers a very well-reported narrative of Trump's fight to overturn the election. Swan's reporting was done on background (so he can't name sources), but it's clear that he has talked to many people who were in the room for Trump's weirdest meetings and phone calls.

About this series: The reporting in this series is based on multiple interviews with current and former White House, campaign, government and congressional officials as well as direct eyewitnesses and people close to President Trump. Sources have been granted anonymity to share sensitive observations or details they would not be formally authorized to disclose. President Trump and other officials to whom quotes and actions have been attributed by others were provided the opportunity to confirm, deny or respond to reporting elements prior to publication.

I just finished reading the articles on Axios - do the podcasts go into more depth?

Each podcast episode is twenty minutes long and well produced (with blended-in media clips, etc), but the articles probably give you the gist.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:16 pm

I don’t know who this Herschmann is, but he’s a national fucking hero as far as I’m concerned (no idea what his potentially sordid role was in the admin, but I’m specifically referring to his standing up to the madness of King Don and his minions. Aka the Joker and his Arkham enablers. )

If this went down even close to the obviously dramatized version in this piece, and H and the others he called in for backup against The Crazy had not ‘won’, think of where we would be right now.

Let that scenario play out in your mind’s eye. We would be Russia, basically.

Next stop would have been appointing a Director of Poisoning. Poison Tzar. Poison...master.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:59 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:16 pm I don’t know who this Herschmann is, but he’s a national fucking hero as far as I’m concerned (no idea what his potentially sordid role was in the admin, but I’m specifically referring to his standing up to the madness of King Don and his minions. Aka the Joker and his Arkham enablers. )

Of course he does, he probably was the guy feeding out the story. IMO we have to factor in the sordid backstory since it fuels the need for propaganda campaigns to rehabilitate their image. I'm sure this is reasonably close still but the bit about Flynn trying to intimidate him and then standing back when challenged reads a bit like fanfiction.