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Yeah, I'd seen numerous people arguing the same points - issues over reporting and data collection. Same as it ever was.Max Peck wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:15 pm I read an article yesterday that discussed that point. I'd link to it, but I can't remember where it was. Their explanation for the shift in relative infection rates is that while the US is in a neck-and-neck race between vaccination and variant spread, Canada is losing the same race.
So frustrating to be able to see a path out and communities are just throwing in the towel when it matters most. With the variants now dominating the circulating strain, it's more important than ever to remain vigilant. Godspeed.Skinypupy wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 3:28 pm Getting my first shot next Friday, so think I’ll just avoid leaving the house for the next week+.
I posted a story about that a couple of weeks ago (might not have been the same study). It concluded that the Marines are saying no because that is seldom an option for them. When the vaccines win formal approval (as opposed to emergency use authorization), they can be ordered to take them.malchior wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 4:41 pm Did any of you see the story about how as much as 40% of US Marines wouldn't vaccinate? It might not be that high since we don't track people end-to-end so they can get vaccinated by other means beyond the Corps and others are waiting might be waiting for it to be an order.
I just started doing that after getting my first shot. This pandemic ain't over, but it's unlikely to break supply chains again. I don't need 10 boxes of spaghetti and 6 jars of sauce anymore.Blackhawk wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:40 am I think at this point it's time to reduce my emergency food stores. I laid in two weeks over a year ago. I may go down to five days. It would put already paid-for food into the cupboard, and we could really use the space.
There's always been a discussion around boosters, and the fewer people that get vaccinated the more boosters will be needed, because those people are vectors for variants. So honestly I expect to need a booster within 6 months or so.dbt1949 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:16 am I read somewhere on line that people who took the Pfizer shots will have to take another one next.
Has anybody else come across some reliable info on that?
“Mommy, why does grandpa always keep that large container of toilet paper in the closet?”Blackhawk wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 3:53 pm Maybe keep one pack of TP and one of paper towels back, but use the rest.
Pfizer is ineffective against one of the common variants (South African) so possibly a booster will be needed.dbt1949 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:16 am I read somewhere on line that people who took the Pfizer shots will have to take another one next.
Has anybody else come across some reliable info on that?
Less effective may be a better description. From your article:LawBeefaroni wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:45 am
Pfizer is ineffective against one of the common variants (South African) so possibly a booster will be needed.
Hopefully this is true:“We can say it’s less effective, but more research is needed to establish exactly how much.”
It is believed that this reduced effectiveness may also only occur in a short window of time. Results from the study showed that there were no reported cases of B.1.351 in fully vaccinated individuals who had received their second dose more then 14-days prior.
It's been 10 minutes and I'm still trying to process that the former director of the CDC is now part of company that sells a virus killing ceiling fan. I just...I can't.Big Ass Fans, the Kentucky-based maker of a virus-killing smart fan, is seeking to boost its COVID-19 credentials by adding the former head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to its ranks.
Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield is now the strategic health and safety advisor for Big Ass Fans' Clean Air Systems. Redfield was appointed to the CDC by former President Donald Trump and served between 2018 and 2021. He's now found a new role at a time when some former Trump administration employees are having trouble landing new jobs.
Shortly after the onset of the pandemic last year, Big Ass Fans introduced the Haiku UV-C. The smart ceiling fan, which starts at $1,750, uses UV light to kill viruses, bacteria, mold and other harmful airborne agents. Independent tests have also suggested the fan can kill SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes COVID-19.
That's the promise of a government job like that. You put in your time so you can make bank in the private sector when you leave. Become a professional board member, token executive, etc.Smoove_B wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:26 pm This is beyond gross:
It's been 10 minutes and I'm still trying to process that the former director of the CDC is now part of company that sells a virus killing ceiling fan. I just...I can't.Big Ass Fans, the Kentucky-based maker of a virus-killing smart fan, is seeking to boost its COVID-19 credentials by adding the former head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to its ranks.
Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield is now the strategic health and safety advisor for Big Ass Fans' Clean Air Systems. Redfield was appointed to the CDC by former President Donald Trump and served between 2018 and 2021. He's now found a new role at a time when some former Trump administration employees are having trouble landing new jobs.
Shortly after the onset of the pandemic last year, Big Ass Fans introduced the Haiku UV-C. The smart ceiling fan, which starts at $1,750, uses UV light to kill viruses, bacteria, mold and other harmful airborne agents. Independent tests have also suggested the fan can kill SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes COVID-19.
Well, he was a *Trump administration* director of the CDC. This guy was Acting Attorney General under Trump, for example.Smoove_B wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:26 pm This is beyond gross:
It's been 10 minutes and I'm still trying to process that the former director of the CDC is now part of company that sells a virus killing ceiling fan. I just...I can't.Big Ass Fans, the Kentucky-based maker of a virus-killing smart fan, is seeking to boost its COVID-19 credentials by adding the former head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to its ranks.
Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield is now the strategic health and safety advisor for Big Ass Fans' Clean Air Systems. Redfield was appointed to the CDC by former President Donald Trump and served between 2018 and 2021. He's now found a new role at a time when some former Trump administration employees are having trouble landing new jobs.
Shortly after the onset of the pandemic last year, Big Ass Fans introduced the Haiku UV-C. The smart ceiling fan, which starts at $1,750, uses UV light to kill viruses, bacteria, mold and other harmful airborne agents. Independent tests have also suggested the fan can kill SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes COVID-19.
The Alexa-activated bleach sprinkler attachment is available for a reasonable price, I'm sure.Smoove_B wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:26 pm This is beyond gross:
It's been 10 minutes and I'm still trying to process that the former director of the CDC is now part of company that sells a virus killing ceiling fan. I just...I can't.Big Ass Fans, the Kentucky-based maker of a virus-killing smart fan, is seeking to boost its COVID-19 credentials by adding the former head of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to its ranks.
Former CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield is now the strategic health and safety advisor for Big Ass Fans' Clean Air Systems. Redfield was appointed to the CDC by former President Donald Trump and served between 2018 and 2021. He's now found a new role at a time when some former Trump administration employees are having trouble landing new jobs.
Shortly after the onset of the pandemic last year, Big Ass Fans introduced the Haiku UV-C. The smart ceiling fan, which starts at $1,750, uses UV light to kill viruses, bacteria, mold and other harmful airborne agents. Independent tests have also suggested the fan can kill SARS-CoV-2, the pathogen that causes COVID-19.
How are we doing a week later? Check out that panhandle.
Michigan's covid case ascent is back on, with a record number of hospitalizations and kids in the hospital. This is a bad precedent for how to manage a major surge when we now have 2-dimensions of defense. No other states in this range.
The Governor has had her powers stripped away and can no longer issue mandates. All she can do is make suggestions. And the people she is making suggestions to already wanted to kidnap and kill her last summer.El Guapo wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:32 am What's going on in Michigan? Is it doing anything materially different from other states?
We are "freedom" loving idiots who live in a cold state and huddle in doors en mass to drink and rebel against authority, breath heavy and get each out sick. We're done with the virus so it's field day time. We are also a college town in most metropolitan areas in addition to our "working class" freedom loving bar hoppers and fitness center patriots.El Guapo wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:32 am What's going on in Michigan? Is it doing anything materially different from other states?
But don't lots of states have weak and/or poor governance? Like, there are several states that don't just have powerless governors, they have powerful governors actively making things harder (e.g., FL, TX, TN).Z-Corn wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:54 amThe Governor has had her powers stripped away and can no longer issue mandates. All she can do is make suggestions. And the people she is making suggestions to already wanted to kidnap and kill her last summer.El Guapo wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 11:32 am What's going on in Michigan? Is it doing anything materially different from other states?
Warm spring, Warm Spring, and Warm Spring. You'd be better off comparing us to Indiana, I think and other freedom loving mobility states with cold weather driving gatherings of people indoors this time of year and pockets full of cash to spend on partying while they are there. Specifically, I'd look at infection rates around Indy, West Lafeyette, and Muncie which I assume are Indy's largest college towns.
I wish I could offer something helpful here. My aunt has a close friend that contracted it last year. She's high risk - asthmatic and diabetic; I believe 80 or 81. She was hospitalized for a month, then in and out of rehab centers for another month. At one point she had a heart attack. I am actually surprised that she made it based on what I was told.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:21 pm It doesn't. If this shit kills my mother, I will forgive no one. Ever. I don't have it in me. I'm not that good of a person.
The good news: The government says there are no signs of similar clots after vaccination with the Pfizer and Moderna shots that are the mainstay of the COVID-19 fight in the U.S.
The J&J cases now under investigation are all among women younger than 50. But the advisory panel stressed that there’s not enough information to tell if only certain groups would be at risk. In Europe, most but not all cases following AstraZeneca vaccinations have been among women under 60, leading different countries to use that vaccine in varying ways.
Also, a 25-year-old man experienced a similar clot during U.S. testing of J&J’s vaccine, something the government scrutinized at the time but could not link to the shot. On Wednesday, the company also brought to the CDC’s attention a woman whose clot did not occur in the brain, sparking more questions about what other evidence to examine.
The CDC expects its advisers to reconsider the evidence within two weeks. So far the clots have occurred between one and three weeks after people received the J&J vaccine, and officials cautioned that more reports could surface.
Mom did not start out against the vaccination. She started cautious. Her sisters and their spouses have been against mask wearing from the beginning. Mom is still respectful and still diligent enough to maintain social hygiene and wear a mask but between her side of the family that are close and the blood clotting concerns (which a real concerns in her family) the needle moved and I'm not seeing it come back. I know exactly who moved that needle. I don't know how I could sit in a room with them at this point. If they get her sick... It's over. Yes, it's on mom who ultimately makes the decision, but I don't have it in me to forgive the influencers. I'm already wondering how I get to being OK if everything works out in the end. I need to be that kind of guy and I don't know how. I now have a sense for how my parents worried me when I was growing up and the stress I caused them.Smoove_B wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 12:36 pm Regardless, I'm sorry. I cannot imagine the stress I'd be feeling if either of my parents refused. At some point though, that's on them; you can't beat yourself up.
Yeah, living a thousand plus miles away from my extended family makes it easier to deal with. I just have the one sister-in-law here in Dallas that is anti-mask, anti-vax. She is getting married in October. I'll be wearing my formal mask. My wife is in the wedding and will be 9 months out from her vaccination and works in a hospital with COVID patients. I'm wondering if the bride will even allow her to wear a mask and how my wife will respond.hitbyambulance wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:09 pm most of my extended family members are already dead or estranged, so i don't get to hear about any of that.
Again, this was expected (SEE: Marathon) and going with the general presumption that we're still going to be dealing with circulating virus in a year - domestically and worldwide.New on the Reuters wire: Pfizer CEO says third covid vaccine dose likely needed within 12 months - CNBC
We're all watching to see what happens:Spending for state public health departments dropped by 16% per capita from 2010 to 2019, and spending for local health departments fell by 18%, KHN and The Associated Press found in a July investigation. At least 38,000 public health jobs were lost at the state and local level between the 2008 recession and 2019. Today, many public health workers are hired on a temporary or part-time basis. Some are paid so poorly they qualify for public aid. Those factors reduce departments’ ability to retain people with expertise.
Compounding those losses, the coronavirus pandemic has prompted an exodus of public health officials because of harassment, political pressure and exhaustion. A yearlong analysis by the AP and KHN found at least 248 leaders of state and local health departments resigned, retired or were fired between April 1, 2020, and March 31, 2021. Nearly 1 in 6 Americans lost a local public health leader during the pandemic. Experts say it is the largest exodus of public health leaders in American history.
But I'm honestly not hopeful that Americans want more public health right now.Even the federal Prevention and Public Health Fund, which was established with the Affordable Care Act to provide $2 billion a year for public health, was raided for cash over the past decade. If the money hadn’t been touched, eventually local and state health departments would have gotten an additional $12.4 billion.
Several lawmakers, led by Democratic U.S. Sen. Patty Murray of Washington, are looking to end the boom-bust cycle with legislation that would eventually provide $4.5 billion annually in core public health funding. Health departments carry out essential government functions — such as managing water safety, issuing death certificates, tracking sexually transmitted diseases and preparing for infectious outbreaks.