COVID-19 treatment and vaccine update thread

[dbt1949]

So I guess our "covid licenses" are going to be useless.

[Isgrimnur]

Always have been.

[Blackhawk]

They were useless the second they printed them. They could have been short-term useful, but they didn't go that route.

[Max Peck]

Dose? How bad are your scabies?

[Victoria Raverna]

My Trumpster in laws have refused to get the vaccine. Surprise Surprise.

I get a text earlier today to ask what dose of Ivermectin they should get to take. My response was, "It's too bad there isn't another option and you guys feel the only option to protect yourselves is a drug shown not only that it doesn't work, but can be dangerous."

I was initially prescribed it when I was diagnosed in Texas. When I got back home and went to the hospital, the medical staff was pretty angry when I told them I had been taking it.

So my in laws responded to my text and said, "But how do we know what dose to get?"

Can't make this crap up.

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Tell them Trump got the vaccine in January. What is good enough for Trump should be good enough for Trumpster.

[El Guapo]

My daughter got her second shot yesterday, which is exciting.

[Lorini]

A new radical thought. If a cancer patient and an unvaccinated Covid patient need the same hospital bed, automatically give the hospital bed to the cancer patient. In my opinion, we are coddling these people way way too much.

[LawBeefaroni]

A new radical thought. If a cancer patient and an unvaccinated Covid patient need the same hospital bed, automatically give the hospital bed to the cancer patient. In my opinion, we are coddling these people way way too much.

Triage comes down to severity and survivability. I fully agree with your sentiment but hospitals won't operate like that.


The more common problem isn't making an either-or choice. The problem is when all beds are filled and you have no where to put new cases. Essentially having no choice.

[Sudy]

Secondarily treating them for mental illness, on the other hand....

[Jeff V]

Triage comes down to severity and survivability. I fully agree with your sentiment but hospitals won't operate like that.

There still ought to be a filter. If the patient declined to get vaccinated for COVID, they are pissing in the eye of healthcare in the first place. Let them reap what they sowed. I have no problem with hospitals turning away COVID patients that can't produce a vaccine card at this point.

[Blackhawk]

And then you have doctors giving treatment to a patient less likely to survive at the cost of the life of a person more likely to survive.

That's a line we don't want to cross, and an ethical standard we don't want to give up.

[LawBeefaroni]

Triage comes down to severity and survivability. I fully agree with your sentiment but hospitals won't operate like that.

There still ought to be a filter. If the patient declined to get vaccinated for COVID, they are pissing in the eye of healthcare in the first place. Let them reap what they sowed. I have no problem with hospitals turning away COVID patients that can't produce a vaccine card at this point.

You also going to ask of they ever smoked, ever drank, eat unhealthy foods, spend too much time in the sun, don't spend enough time in the sun, don't wear a bike helmet...

Not to mention that you'd be exacerbating healthcare inequities as wealthier anti-vaxxers can just travel to open beds or buy fake proof of vaccination. Our elected anti-vaxxers in Congress and the Oval Office have received remdesivir and several $1M treatment when they get COVID. You're going to let some.poor idiot who followed their example die in the street?

[raydude]

Got a call from my child's school today. My 9-year old was coughing, sneezing, said she didn't feel good and was warm. So per school protocol I had to pick her up. I was also told that she needed to have a Covid test that returned negative before coming back or stay home for 10 days if we didn't want to test. The nurse was a little apologetic and saying it was what the district said we had to do but I didn't object. I think she was bracing herself for a parent who might argue that their kid didn't have Covid, in which case I felt bad that she felt she had to prepare for an outburst.

My wife and I think she just had an allergy attack since she gets those once in a while, and sure enough after allergy medicine and a bath, she was fine. Still, I scheduled a test for tomorrow to ease our concerns and the schools.

[Jeff V]

Triage comes down to severity and survivability. I fully agree with your sentiment but hospitals won't operate like that.

There still ought to be a filter. If the patient declined to get vaccinated for COVID, they are pissing in the eye of healthcare in the first place. Let them reap what they sowed. I have no problem with hospitals turning away COVID patients that can't produce a vaccine card at this point.

You also going to ask of they ever smoked, ever drank, eat unhealthy foods, spend too much time in the sun, don't spend enough time in the sun, don't wear a bike helmet...

Not to mention that you'd be exacerbating healthcare inequities as wealthier anti-vaxxers can just travel to open beds or buy fake proof of vaccination. Our elected anti-vaxxers in Congress and the Oval Office have received remdesivir and several $1M treatment when they get COVID. You're going to let some.poor idiot who followed their example die in the street?

False equivalency. The healthcare system was sized to accommodate those dumbasses, but for this pandemic, they are overmatched by those too stupid to help themselves. Darwinism states the stupid should be allowed to die.

As far as those trying to scam the system with fake cards, well, there is already substantial fines in place; those idiots can be financially harvested to fund those unfortunate enough to catch it despite being vaccinated.

[ImLawBoy]

What about a single parent of 3 kids? Sure, they're stupid for not vaxxing, but now their kids are wards of the state (or whatever the proper terminology is).

[Lorini]

Triage comes down to severity and survivability. I fully agree with your sentiment but hospitals won't operate like that.

There still ought to be a filter. If the patient declined to get vaccinated for COVID, they are pissing in the eye of healthcare in the first place. Let them reap what they sowed. I have no problem with hospitals turning away COVID patients that can't produce a vaccine card at this point.

You also going to ask of they ever smoked, ever drank, eat unhealthy foods, spend too much time in the sun, don't spend enough time in the sun, don't wear a bike helmet...

Not to mention that you'd be exacerbating healthcare inequities as wealthier anti-vaxxers can just travel to open beds or buy fake proof of vaccination. Our elected anti-vaxxers in Congress and the Oval Office have received remdesivir and several $1M treatment when they get COVID. You're going to let some.poor idiot who followed their example die in the street?

Illnesses caused by 'lifestyle' can't be prevented by a shot or two. All of the states know who has been vaccinated against what. Hospitals have access to the state records so fake vaccination cards would not be useful.

[LordMortis]

Round three finished

[YellowKing]

I feel the fear of fake vaccination cards is a bit exaggerated.

To use one you've got to:

A) Know where to get one
B) Be able to afford it
C) Be willing to risk getting busted

Will there be some people that can fulfill all three requirements? Sure. Will it be a majority of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers? Not by a long shot.

Most people are going to take the path of least resistance, and trying to game the system and risk the consequences is often a bridge too far. They're either going to grudgingly get the shot, or they're going to avoid the places that require proof. Either way is fine with me. Even if some sneaky ones slip through the cracks, anything is better than nothing at this point.

[El Guapo]

I feel the fear of fake vaccination cards is a bit exaggerated.

To use one you've got to:

A) Know where to get one
B) Be able to afford it
C) Be willing to risk getting busted

Will there be some people that can fulfill all three requirements? Sure. Will it be a majority of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers? Not by a long shot.

Most people are going to take the path of least resistance, and trying to game the system and risk the consequences is often a bridge too far. They're either going to grudgingly get the shot, or they're going to avoid the places that require proof. Either way is fine with me. Even if some sneaky ones slip through the cracks, anything is better than nothing at this point.

Yeah, I think that's right. And even if they're easy to fake, I think a lot of people would worry about the consequences of being caught.

[Smoove_B]

Will there be some people that can fulfill all three requirements? Sure. Will it be a majority of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers? Not by a long shot.

I personally know someone locally that has indicated through someone else that he's willing to procure and distribute fake cards to numerous associates. I genuinely hope he doesn't because I'm going to feel bad for ruining his life.

[YellowKing]

What's needed is clear communication from local government authorities about the consequences of faking a vaccination card. Even if it's difficult to truly enforce, the threat of a $2000 fine or whatever might be enough to scare off some folks.

[Blackhawk]

I can't imagine that they're that tough to recreate. Around here at least, they're just a hunk of cardstock with a scribble on them. I'm pretty sure I could have a perfect recreation in ten minutes or so.

[Smoove_B]

The unauthorized use of an official government agency’s seal on such cards is a crime that may be punishable under Title 18, United States Code, Section 1017.

Which indicates:

Whoever fraudulently or wrongfully affixes or impresses the seal of any department or agency of the United States, to or upon any certificate, instrument, commission, document, or paper or with knowledge of its fraudulent character, with wrongful or fraudulent intent, uses, buys, procures, sells, or transfers to another any such certificate, instrument, commission, document, or paper, to which or upon which said seal has been so fraudulently affixed or impressed, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

DOJ has been saying $5,000 or 5 years in prison

I keep seeing random news articles showing up in various local markets, but nothing being widely communicated nationally. i'd imagine as people found guilty are being sentenced, that might make national news.

[LawBeefaroni]

A pharmacist here is facing 10 years per card for "theft of government property." He stole 125 real cards from WBA. But you wouldn't be facing that for possessing a fake card.

CHICAGO (WLS) -- A licensed pharmacist in Chicago was arrested for allegedly selling vaccine cards on eBay, the U.S. Department of Justice announced Tuesday.

According to court documents, prosecutors said Tang-Tang Zhao sold 125 authentic CDC vaccination cards to 11 different buyers for approximately $10 apiece.

...

Zhao has had an active pharmacist license with the state of Illinois since 2018. However, a complaint has been filed against him and a hearing regarding his status is set for Monday.

If convicted, Zhao faces 10 years in prison for each count.

[Isgrimnur]

[TheMix]

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You got me with that one. I was thinking something along the same lines as I was reading, and then BAM!... in mah FACE!

[Isgrimnur]

[Max Peck]

Will there be some people that can fulfill all three requirements? Sure. Will it be a majority of anti-vaxxers/anti-maskers? Not by a long shot.

I personally know someone locally that has indicated through someone else that he's willing to procure and distribute fake cards to numerous associates. I genuinely hope he doesn't because I'm going to feel bad for ruining his life.

Technically he'd be ruining his own life.

[LordMortis]

3rd phizer shot kinda put me over the edge. Started with an annoying headache and pain the arm yesterday. Today the headache is much more serious. I'm fuzzy, exhausted, and have hypersensitive senses (light, touch, sound) like I do when I am really sick. Was going to spend the day doing light yardwork. Instead the day is spent drinking water, falling asleep while watching TV on a low volume, and waking up to hit the head. Repeat.

Edit: And now the next day, still have a mild headache. My arm is still red and warm... If nothing else, I suspect my left shoulder is about to be fully immunized.

[stessier]

So over the weekend, we got notice that my 12 year old (who gets her second shot this coming Saturday) was in class with someone who tested positive, but is not considered a close contact. How they can say that after the kids were in a tornado shelter all helter skelter for 30 minutes is beyond me, but fine. Sunday she woke up complaining of a sore throat and a phlegmy cough. She has hay fever, though, and I had spent 3 hours the night before cutting grass, so we gave her a Claritin. Later that day she said it was better. This morning she woke up complaining of a headache that started above her eyes and went behind her ears. Another Claritin and some water and off to school she went.

I drive my 15 year old (both shots in June) to school and she mentioned feeling nauseous. Later, we got a call from the nurse saying she was complaining of a headache, nausea, dizziness, and shakiness. Her heart rate was over 100 just laying down. So I went and picked her up. Called the pediatrician - next appointment is Thursday. Went to CVS for a rapid in person test - they don't have any. Said to check online - no one within 75 miles has an inperson test available before Wednesday (when I stopped checking). The local one was also out of the rapid home tests....can't check for those online. On the way home, stopped by Walgreens and scored an at home test. They had literally just received them - they had been out for days.

So after lunch I'll give her the test. But this is kinda nuts. It's not just he hospitals that are overwhelmed. I also feel like it's playing Russian Roulette. The school have no provisions for at home learning if I keep her out. We're told she'll just make it up when she gets back. So it's really putting pressure to make sure she's in school if able. The whole thing stinks.

[LordMortis]

My best to you and yours. I have no idea what I'd do if I came down with a fever or lost me sense of smell, which are the only two symptoms that don't apply to my normal living. I used to see COVID testing here signs everywhere. They're all gone. I *assume* CVS still do them, but the signs are all gone.

[Zaxxon]

Somewhat similar here. Our local Children's hospital has had drive-thru nasal swab PCR testing, but they've recently dropped that to only their main campus (just before Delta surged...). Had to drive my youngest on Friday to get tested.

And LM, maybe you need a new dentist. Mine is still doing all the right things (text from parking lot and only come up when they're ready for you, all staff in masks, etc). That's nuts that yours isn't even masking.

[Smoove_B]

I don't know how parents of unvaccianted children are doing it, quite frankly. My daughter is vaccinated and I'm still nervous about sending her back to a school that's under a mask-mandate order. I can only say that none of this is right. As I saw someone observe over the weekend, we're a nation of people scrambling to finish our homework on the bus during the ride to school - as if we didn't know what was coming for the 2021 school year.

That's really weird about your dentist, LM and I can't explain it - a dentist's office is higher risk by default because of all the oral aerosols from routine cleaning / exams. That's a huge red flag. My daughter's ortho/dentist is still requiring declarations before entry, masking, reduced waiting room capacity, etc...

My aunt went to see a new doctor last week and the whole staff was masked except for the doctor. While they were in the examination room he said, "You're vaccinated and I'm vaccinated so we don't need masks". Not only going against CDC recommendations but I'm pretty sure violating state and hospital system mandates as well. I get it - masks are not great. But if there are doctors that refuse to wear them in their own offices? I've got nothing.

[LordMortis]

I was wholly unprepared for it. The hygienists and dentists were still chalked full of PPE, but the office staff, nothing. The people, nothing. The barrier to entry, non existent.

I'm totally not sure I'm headed back in December. Again, not for me, I'm currently waiting for round three to settle in (so maybe it should be for me... ) but more so for those I love that still haven't decided no vaccine for them and for the legions of people who have people they love in the same boat.

[Zarathud]

My kids went to a 45 minute orientation for their school before it starts next week. And we have our first exposure notice. Luckily, they can quarantine their last week of summer vacation. And we made a typo at the clinic so the 12 year old was fully vaccinated before her birthday tomorrow.

It’s crazy.

[raydude]

My best to you and yours. I have no idea what I'd do if I came down with a fever or lost me sense of smell, which are the only two symptoms that don't apply to my normal living. I used to see COVID testing here signs everywhere. They're all gone. I *assume* CVS still do them, but the signs are all gone.

If you google "CVS Covid-19 test" you should get a CVS website that then allows you to enter your zip code and it will pop up the CVS locations that offer testing. You should then be able to schedule appointments with them through the website. I know because I was frantically doing this last Thursday for my 9-yr old after I had to pick her up because she was sneezing and coughing. That day I discovered that all the CVS locations nearby were booked until Monday, Aug 23.

Luckily, the City of Alexandria still offers testing locations, one of which was in my neighborhood. And they had a lot of slots open from Friday through Sunday. On a good note, her results came back this morning - negative. So she was able to go to school today.

[El Guapo]

I'm glad that the first day of school is also my daughter's two week "fully vaxxed" day.

[YellowKing]

We got my daughter's first shot at Walgreens Sunday. CVS was still giving them too.

[stessier]

So over the weekend, we got notice that my 12 year old (who gets her second shot this coming Saturday) was in class with someone who tested positive, but is not considered a close contact. How they can say that after the kids were in a tornado shelter all helter skelter for 30 minutes is beyond me, but fine. Sunday she woke up complaining of a sore throat and a phlegmy cough. She has hay fever, though, and I had spent 3 hours the night before cutting grass, so we gave her a Claritin. Later that day she said it was better. This morning she woke up complaining of a headache that started above her eyes and went behind her ears. Another Claritin and some water and off to school she went.

I drive my 15 year old (both shots in June) to school and she mentioned feeling nauseous. Later, we got a call from the nurse saying she was complaining of a headache, nausea, dizziness, and shakiness. Her heart rate was over 100 just laying down. So I went and picked her up. Called the pediatrician - next appointment is Thursday. Went to CVS for a rapid in person test - they don't have any. Said to check online - no one within 75 miles has an inperson test available before Wednesday (when I stopped checking). The local one was also out of the rapid home tests....can't check for those online. On the way home, stopped by Walgreens and scored an at home test. They had literally just received them - they had been out for days.

So after lunch I'll give her the test. But this is kinda nuts. It's not just he hospitals that are overwhelmed. I also feel like it's playing Russian Roulette. The school have no provisions for at home learning if I keep her out. We're told she'll just make it up when she gets back. So it's really putting pressure to make sure she's in school if able. The whole thing stinks.

The 15 year old felt better after eating and seemed fine, so we just held on to the test. This morning, she woke up with a dry, persistent cough. So we gave her the test and it was negative. But the cough was enough that I wouldn't want to sit next to her without more reassurance, so we kept her home, called the school, and got her in with the pediatrician for a PCR test at 1:15.

The school called and we were able to tell them about the at home test result, her vax status, and our PCR plans. They were impressed we were on top of it and agreed she should stay home today. About an hour later their official contact tracer called and we were told that even with a negative PCR test, she has to stay home for 10 days from start of symptoms - which means Sept 2nd.

At 1:15 she got the second test and we found out the doctor's office runs their own PCR so we'd get the results this afternoon. After looking at her, the doctor was pretty sure it was just a cold. Just found out that she is officially negative. So now we're going to call the school and make sure she really can't come back until 9/2 - that just seems nuts.

As an aside, it's really weird to hear someone coughing. It's been so very long since I've been around a sick person. On the plus side, she finally stopped coughing around 3pm, so maybe it's a 24 hour cold.

[LawBeefaroni]

As an aside, it's really weird to hear someone coughing. It's been so very long since I've been around a sick person. On the plus side, she finally stopped coughing around 3pm, so maybe it's a 24 hour cold.

Went through something similar with the 11 yr old. She had a cough and sore throat. No fever. Did two rapid tests, both negatives. PCR negative. Fortunately she hasn't started school yet but every time she coughed I wanted to do another test. Going to be rough once cold and flu season starts up in earnest. Especially if every cough means a 10-day quarantine. Giving up on the idea of a normal school year.