The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:49 pm

El Guapo wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:04 pm Also, while I feel for the workload burden on other troopers...for the most part anyone willing to actually resign over this is probably doing us a favor overall.

I like to think of it as debridement.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:51 pm

Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:33 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 pm Ben Garrison volunteers for a Darwin Herman Cain Award...

Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist Ben Garrison Says He's Got Covid-19, Won't Go to Hospital
The pro-Trump cartoonist says he's lost about 15 pounds and is taking ivermectin.

FTFY
As Amos would say, Why not both?

Hasn't he already bred?

Drazzil · Post by **Drazzil** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:56 pm

Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:33 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 pm Ben Garrison volunteers for a Darwin Herman Cain Award...

Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist Ben Garrison Says He's Got Covid-19, Won't Go to Hospital
The pro-Trump cartoonist says he's lost about 15 pounds and is taking ivermectin.

FTFY
As Amos would say, Why not both?

Why *NOT* both.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:01 pm

Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:33 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 pm Ben Garrison volunteers for a Darwin Herman Cain Award...

Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist Ben Garrison Says He's Got Covid-19, Won't Go to Hospital
The pro-Trump cartoonist says he's lost about 15 pounds and is taking ivermectin.

FTFY
As Amos would say, Why not both?

He fails the primary criteria:

Born: 1957 (age 64 years)
Spouse: Tina Norton Garrison
Children: 1
Education: Angelo State University (BA)

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:36 pm

The other threads are a little low, and this is about a game-changer in the vaccination process, so it's going here

3d printed Vaccine patches

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Instead of getting an injection at your doctor's office...future shots could be painless and administered in your own time anywhere that's convenient.
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (WTVD) -- New technology coming out of UNC Chapel Hill could change everything about how vaccines are administered.

Scientists at UNC and Stanford created a 3-D printed vaccine patch that's as small as the tip of your finger.

The vaccine patch uses microneedles just long enough to attach to the skin. From there, the vaccine directly targets immune cells in the skin.

The brains behind the new vaccine patch said it creates an immune response 10 times stronger than a typical vaccine injection that sends its contents into muscle.

The skin patch is also painless, can be self-administered and doesn't need to be kept in the freezer.

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:13 pm

Even without the 3D printing that would be huge.

Drazzil · Post by **Drazzil** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:40 pm

Unagi wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:01 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:33 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 pm Ben Garrison volunteers for a Darwin Herman Cain Award...

Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist Ben Garrison Says He's Got Covid-19, Won't Go to Hospital
The pro-Trump cartoonist says he's lost about 15 pounds and is taking ivermectin.

FTFY
As Amos would say, Why not both?
He fails the primary criteria:

Born: 1957 (age 64 years)
Spouse: Tina Norton Garrison
Children: 1
Education: Angelo State University (BA)

How so? He's already been nominated.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:45 pm

This is why we need to have better science in schools.

Biological fitness (according to Darwin) involves the creation of whatever amounts to a grandchild - your offspring needs to reproduce. In this way, your genetic material has now been passed to another generation. Having a child isn't enough to ensure fitness - nature can make sterile offspring from random creatures that mate.

So giving someone a Darwin award after they've had a child is ignoring that they've completed step one of Darwin's requirements. In other words, having a child should disqualify you from being nominated as you've just cleared the first hurdle.

Victoria Raverna · Post by **Victoria Raverna** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:53 pm

Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:40 pm
Unagi wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:01 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:33 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 pm Ben Garrison volunteers for a Darwin Herman Cain Award...

Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist Ben Garrison Says He's Got Covid-19, Won't Go to Hospital
The pro-Trump cartoonist says he's lost about 15 pounds and is taking ivermectin.

FTFY
As Amos would say, Why not both?
He fails the primary criteria:

Born: 1957 (age 64 years)
Spouse: Tina Norton Garrison
Children: 1
Education: Angelo State University (BA)
How so? He's already been nominated.

Failed the Darwin Award criteria because he has one child but still eligible for Herman Cain Award.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:13 pm

New favorite response

https://twitter.com/EmilyMason1192/stat ... 9901897731

An anti-masker in line behind me turned to a masked, elderly woman behind her and said, "why are wearing a mask?" She replied, "so I won't catch whatever it is that makes you act that way."

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:48 pm

Can't wait until we get a vaccine against it.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:47 pm

https://twitter.com/AsaadHannaa/status/ ... 4578124803

New York Governor Kathy Hochul said: she will deploy medically trained National Guard troops to replace unvaccinated healthcare workers, who will be fired tonight.

Drazzil · Post by **Drazzil** » Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:58 pm

Victoria Raverna wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:53 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:40 pm
Unagi wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:01 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:41 pm
Drazzil wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:33 pm
Pyperkub wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 2:42 pm Ben Garrison volunteers for a Darwin Herman Cain Award...

Anti-Vaccine Cartoonist Ben Garrison Says He's Got Covid-19, Won't Go to Hospital
The pro-Trump cartoonist says he's lost about 15 pounds and is taking ivermectin.

FTFY
As Amos would say, Why not both?
He fails the primary criteria:

Born: 1957 (age 64 years)
Spouse: Tina Norton Garrison
Children: 1
Education: Angelo State University (BA)
How so? He's already been nominated.

Failed the Darwin Award criteria because he has one child but still eligible for Herman Cain Award.

Maybe he will spread it to his son. Not rooting for it, just saying.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:36 am

IIRC, the way "Herman Cain Award" works is any antivaxxer who caught COVID gets a nomination. If they die, they get the award.

Loomer already got a nomination.

Wasn't there an editorial recently about how the far right is doing the damnedest to kill its own constituents?

Or accusing the Dems of "using reverse psychology"? If you're dumb enough to fall for such an "obvious" tactic, maybe it's your problem in making it an us vs. them wedge issue.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:47 am

Smoove_B wrote: Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:45 pm This is why we need to have better science in schools.

Biological fitness (according to Darwin) involves the creation of whatever amounts to a grandchild - your offspring needs to reproduce. In this way, your genetic material has now been passed to another generation. Having a child isn't enough to ensure fitness - nature can make sterile offspring from random creatures that mate.

So giving someone a Darwin award after they've had a child is ignoring that they've completed step one of Darwin's requirements. In other words, having a child should disqualify you from being nominated as you've just cleared the first hurdle.

/evolutionary biologist hat on

Technically, you don't even have to have children/grandchildren to gain (inclusive) fitness. I don't have any children but my two brothers each have two. Since I share ~50% of my genes with my brothers, their children share ~25% of their genes with me. When you take them all together, genetically it's like I have had two children myself.

/evolutionary biologist hat off

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:57 am

That's what I get for switching out from being a biology major and missing out on the edge cases - you're much further down the chain.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:25 pm

Just got the go-ahead for a booster as a hospital employee. I'm over 9 8 mos since second dose. Can't hurt, right?

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:31 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:25 pm Just got the go-ahead for a booster as a hospital employee. I'm over 9 8 mos since second dose. Can't hurt, right?

Mine hurt a lot more than the 2nd shot. Even after the headache, etc... subsided, my right arm was hot for week. You could feel the heat from three inches away. That means it's working, right?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:08 pm

Can you describe the city structure that the nanobots are building? Might need a magnifying glass.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:17 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:25 pm Just got the go-ahead for a booster as a hospital employee. I'm over 9 8 mos since second dose. Can't hurt, right?

Very hotly debated right now amongst researchers and academics. Will it hurt? Nope. Will it help - that's the biggest question. *So far* the data suggests that people over the age of 70 are at greatest risk right now in terms of hospitalization and death. I've seen plenty of infectious disease doctors and virologists saying on paper they qualify for a 3rd shot but they're not getting it as they don't believe it's necessary.

We continue to live in...interesting times.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 8:09 am

We'll see if she figured out how to get herself bumped from an administrative discharge to a dishonorable discharge.

https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/stat ... 3482662914

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:52 am

Yes, please make a list. It'll make it easier to know who to avoid.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 9:59 am

There are 100s of 1000s of jobs out there. That's been the complaint of the business owning right, who want you to work under their conditions for $10 an hour with no benefits and they've wanted you unvaccinated but at work since May of 2020. Why not go suck at their billionaire teats for hard labor at less than sustenance wage?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:57 am

Why would that TikTok lead to a dishonorable discharge? It seemed like she shared everything in a pretty straightforward manner and was just asking for help identifying outside resources. She didn't call anyone out or provide commentary on what she thought of the order.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:26 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:37 am School has started in NJ and two large school districts in the Trumpiest parts of our state indicated that they're not wearing masks this week because it's "too hot". When the governor signed the order there was an inclusion for temperature-related exemptions. While not specific, the idea is to account for days when it's 90+ and humid. For reference, today in NJ it's around 82% with some humidity. These school districts have been vocal about being forced to wear masks so now they're taking advantage of an exemption for stiggin' it purposes.

So that was 9/8. Let's check back in with that school district in NJ to see how their "it's too hot to wear masks" policy worked:

About 900 staff and students in the Toms River school district, which began the year with an optional mask policy, were listed as under quarantine early Wednesday due to possible COVID-19 exposure following 250 confirmed cases.

...

So far, 218 students and 33 employees have tested positive, though not all those cases are currently active, according to district data. Currently, 864 students and 26 staff members are at home because they were in close contact with someone who tested positive or have recently tested positive.

Those totals represent nearly 6% of students and 1.2% of staf

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:08 pm

Blasting state officials for putting her into such an “impossible position,” local nurse Sophia Wood confirmed Wednesday that she was carefully weighing whether she was better off getting the vaccine or losing her job and dying. “On the plus side, if get vaccinated, I could get to continue to live my life healthy and happy with no drawbacks, but is that really worth giving up the right to die while out of work?” said the healthcare worker, who had spent the past weeks agonizing over a long list of pros and cons of getting vaccinated that she had written up for each side of the issue. “On one hand, I have way more items listed under the pros column, like ‘keep job,’ ‘protect others,’ and ‘protect myself,’ but on the other, I have ‘freedom’ written in big red letters, circled, and underlined multiple times. I’m pretty torn between the two. Who would issue such a cruel ultimatum?” At press time, Wood assured herself that regardless of the choice she ultimately made, she would wind up back in the hospital.

The Onion

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Wed Sep 29, 2021 3:13 pm

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 1:42 am

YouTube is cracking down on the spread of misinformation by banning misleading and inaccurate content about vaccines.

The platform announced the change in a blog post Wednesday, explaining that its current community guidelines, which already prohibit the sharing of medical misinformation, have been extended to cover "currently administered" vaccines that have been proven safe by the World Health Organization and other health officials.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/29/10414935 ... mation-ban

Russia's state censor has threatened to block YouTube in the country in retaliation for the Google-owned video platform deleting two German-language channels belonging to the Kremlin-funded broadcaster RT for allegedly publishing misinformation around COVID-19.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/ru ... d=80298618

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 2:09 am

Ah, you gotta love the Onion for just the right amount of bite in its satire.

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:34 am

Crazy guy runs into Canadian pharmacy, screams that his wife did NOT have his permission to get the COVID vaccine, punches the nurse multiple times in the face, then ran out. WTF?

Kasey Chang · Post by **Kasey Chang** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:13 am

Latest COVID denier talking point of "natural immunity" is defeated by data

Oklahoma infection rate shows that vaccinated rates of "breakthru" infection is HALF that of people who had COVID and get ANOTHER bout of COVID.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Thu Sep 30, 2021 8:35 am

Kasey Chang wrote: Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:13 am Latest COVID denier talking point of "natural immunity" is defeated by data

Oklahoma infection rate shows that vaccinated rates of "breakthru" infection is HALF that of people who had COVID and get ANOTHER bout of COVID.

Source

YellowKing · Post by **YellowKing** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:38 am

Appears I'm now eligible at work for the booster as a healthcare employee. I've got to get my flu shot first but will likely go ahead and get the booster shortly thereafter.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:44 am

stessier wrote: Wed Sep 29, 2021 10:57 am Why would that TikTok lead to a dishonorable discharge? It seemed like she shared everything in a pretty straightforward manner and was just asking for help identifying outside resources. She didn't call anyone out or provide commentary on what she thought of the order.

There is a broad prohibition about making public unofficial statements in uniform. The instruction that really would get her in trouble is a stretch though. She'd be in some peril if this was deemed political. It is borderline but still don't the jab too seriously. It was mostly...look at this. They'd rather drum out of the military than get a vaccine when they've likely gotten a dozen other ones if they've deployed. It's deeply dumb.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:41 am

So, they got tired of quarantining students at my son's high school and implemented a mask requirement a month or so ago. Cases dropped by about 80%.

Since cases are now low, they're removing the mask requirement. Just in time for the holidays!

And people wonder why I have been living in a state of agitation and stress. But it's out of my hands. Deep breath. Let it go.

Spoiler:

Deep breath. Let it go.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:45 am

I bet a few weeks after winter hits, they'll stop wearing coats and hats.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:47 am

"The house is on fire!"

"Quick, spray it with water!"

"It's working! The house is slightly less on fire!"

"Yay! Stop spraying the water!"

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:47 am

Our district sent out a 10 minute video yesterday discussing the updates to the dress code and student conduct policy. It was some pretty standard stuff, until they got to the bullet point "students must be able to be identified by their face". The administrator who did the recording then said (paraphrasing):

"Wearing masks obviously complicates the issue of being able to identify students by their face. We will address issues around this on a case-by-case basis and determine what level of discipline is appropriate."

So...part of the updated dress code policy is to determine on a case-by-case basis if students should face discipline for wearing masks?

That was followed by:

If a mask mandate is ever put in place - and we certainly hope that drastic and completely unnecessary step is never taken in Utah schools - then we will re-evaluate this policy."

Pretty sure I blacked out because my head about went through my desk at that point.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 11:55 am

But they may consider implementing a completely unnecessary policy at some point?

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Fri Oct 01, 2021 12:07 pm

Im still a little surprised that cashiers in stores....mostly the smaller tighter confined stores like Dollar General and such.... dont tend to wear a mask. I can barely stand to be in one 5 min with my mask tightly on. To stand in a store 8 hours waiting on countless people without a mask too. Suicide.