Let's Play Together: GM'd Battletech via MegaMek XII

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:27 am

El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:10 am Are the Kurita mechs under the "1st Octopus Overlords" name in MegaMek?

You just need to remember which one is you (like I had to do for Crusader CRD-3L vs CRD-3R)

Marauder MAD-5SO ID:75 (1st Octopus Overlords) gains 25 heat, sinks 27 heat and is now at 0 heat.
...
Marauder MAD-3R ID:24 (1st Octopus Overlords) gains 14 heat, sinks 16 heat and is now at 0 heat.

I'm assuming you are the MAD-5SO.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 10:28 am

Also, wow! You are a heat sinking monster!

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:18 pm

If a forest is on fire, does the smoke + forest in that square mean that it's +2 to hit through that square? So like if I back up into 3121, can I hit the vulture in 2016?

TotallyNotEvil · Post by **TotallyNotEvil** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:37 pm

Wait, did the Ryoken hit me with an over-the-shoulder ERLL?

Moley, are you going to keep up the saga of backstabbing that Mad Cat? I think you could jump point blank, fire and melee.

The Awesome should finally have a decent shot at the Thor now. Slippery bugger has been at +4/+5 the entire bloody game.

Nick, can the ARC-2R fire LRMs at the prone Ryoken while still melee-ing the Thor?

Also, can I puposefully jump in a non-straight line to proc 5 hexes of movement?

Oh, does the Wolftrap want to backstab the Daishi?

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:56 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:18 pm If a forest is on fire, does the smoke + forest in that square mean that it's +2 to hit through that square? So like if I back up into 3121, can I hit the vulture in 2016?

Yes, the two modifiers stack. I don't think you can target the Vulture from 3121, that's 2 smoke hexes and a light woods hex in the way.

TotallyNotEvil wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:37 pm Wait, did the Ryoken hit me with an over-the-shoulder ERLL?

Nick, can the ARC-2R fire LRMs at the prone Ryoken while still melee-ing the Thor?

Also, can I puposefully jump in a non-straight line to proc 5 hexes of movement?

If you have an arm-mounted weapon, you can torso-twist and are able to fire into your rear arc with one arm (one of the reasons I'm not really a fan of rear-facing weapons).

Archer will need to turn right one hex to do so, but yes. Although it might not be worth it targeting the Ryoken, it's missing a leg, the pilot is blacked out with three hits and it's facing the wrong way. And mechanically, it's already been "scored" for objective purposes.

No mid-air backflips or anything like that, sorry.

TotallyNotEvil · Post by **TotallyNotEvil** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:09 pm

Hm, I'm hoping we can salvage a Clan LRM15 and some Clan DHS, finish upgrading the Griffin.

Assuming we all don't die here, given they still have 2 Vultures, 3 Mad Cats, 2 Ryokens, 1 Loki and a still brand-new Dire Wolf.

>> LICH: GM's call.
>> ARC-2R: Kick and double-ML the Thor.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:19 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:56 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:18 pm If a forest is on fire, does the smoke + forest in that square mean that it's +2 to hit through that square? So like if I back up into 3121, can I hit the vulture in 2016?
Yes, the two modifiers stack. I don't think you can target the Vulture from 3121, that's 2 smoke hexes and a light woods hex in the way.

What I was asking more is that if you have a given hex that has a forest in it AND is on fire, is that square +2 all by itself (+1 for forest and +1 for smoke) or is it still just +1?

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:23 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:19 pm
NickAragua wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:56 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:18 pm If a forest is on fire, does the smoke + forest in that square mean that it's +2 to hit through that square? So like if I back up into 3121, can I hit the vulture in 2016?
Yes, the two modifiers stack. I don't think you can target the Vulture from 3121, that's 2 smoke hexes and a light woods hex in the way.

What I was asking more is that if you have a given hex that has a forest in it AND is on fire, is that square +2 all by itself (+1 for forest and +1 for smoke) or is it still just +1?

The fire doesn't do anything by itself, but the smoke it produces does. In this case, there's a fire in 2921 that's putting smoke into 3020. So, for example, 3020 has a +2 modifier: 1 for the smoke, 1 for the woods (pretty sure it's light woods). Meanwhile, the hex in 2921 also has a +2, but that's because it's heavy woods - there's no smoke in it, so the fire doesn't actually do anything to add a further to-hit modifier. If there was smoke in 2921, it would be a +3.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:32 pm

Next question - can I enter the same square as elementals (2623)? If so does that have any consequences?

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:11 pm

El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:32 pm Next question - can I enter the same square as elementals (2623)? If so does that have any consequences?

Yes, and they may attempt to swarm your mech or damage your legs (or just shoot at you). The odds off those attacks succeeding aren't that great, since there's only two of them. If they screw it up, you can stomp them. If they don't, you can try to brush them off at the risk of dinging yourself.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:11 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 3:11 pm
El Guapo wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 2:32 pm Next question - can I enter the same square as elementals (2623)? If so does that have any consequences?
Yes, and they may attempt to swarm your mech or damage your legs (or just shoot at you). The odds off those attacks succeeding aren't that great, since there's only two of them. If they screw it up, you can stomp them. If they don't, you can try to brush them off at the risk of dinging yourself.

Hmmm...I would do that, but that Black Hawk right near there is the ace, right? If I'm there he could drop down right behind me and ruin my day.

Marauder back up one to 3021. I think I need to torso twist to fire at the Thor, right? If so do that, and then either fire at the Thor or the Black Hawk after the BH moves (depending on which is the better target).

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Oct 22, 2021 5:15 pm

Kurita Awesome to 3015, target the Thor. Can adjust my position if I'm opening myself to any back shots.

moleymoleymoley · Post by **moleymoleymoley** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:21 am

HOT DAMN what a turn, I think we're starting to round the corner folks, immediate thought is to jump to heavy woods in 2130 and cower like a bitch from the tremendously exposed position I'm in.

I can fire from there right? If so, all lazors at the mad cat

moleymoleymoley · Post by **moleymoleymoley** » Sat Oct 23, 2021 3:33 am

TotallyNotEvil wrote: ↑Fri Oct 22, 2021 1:37 pm Wait, did the Ryoken hit me with an over-the-shoulder ERLL?

Moley, are you going to keep up the saga of backstabbing that Mad Cat? I think you could jump point blank, fire and melee.

Didn't see the new page, I could, but that would expose me to fire from three of them, plus the mad cat has pretty pristine back armour if I remember correctly? His front armour is a lot more dinged up, plus I think being in this forest means the mad cat and Ryoken can't see me but I can see them

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:53 am

To the north, one of the Kurita decoys goes off, lightly peppering their own Thunderbolt as well as another decoy and some nearby Elementals. Said Thunderbolt's left arm goes limp under pulse laser fire from a Ryoken to the south. The good news: with the arm gone, so is the MG ammo, so at least the Thunderbolt doesn't have to worry about being completely evaporated.

Siljanus may be missing the gauss rifle and right arm, but he's still got two PPCs, which he puts to use against the Mad Cat circling around that little hill to the southwest. The enemy mech fires back with its array, although, to our mechwarrior's surprise, it doesn't use its gauss rifle. Did it get damaged? Run out of ammo? Regardless, only its pulse laser connects, dealing nominal damage to the Mackie's extensive armor.

Leraje joins in from above, focusing the Black Knight's lasers and PPC on the target, while Moley jumps for cover, firing lasers at it from mid-air. Moley's evasive action mostly works, as the Thunderbolt only takes a grazing hit from an extended-range laser. In exchange, the Thunderbolt's large laser rips into the Mad Cat's left arm, which sparks and drops limp, disabled. One of Siljanus' PPCs connects with the 75-tonner's left torso as well, removing a good amount of armor. With its left arm gone and its gauss rifle no longer firing, the clan mech appears to be a little bit underpowered - sensors only show an SRM/4 and an LRM/10 launcher functional.

The Black Hawk jumps up to Siljanus' mech, firing lasers at Stefan with limited effect - Lich anticipates this move and plants a PPC blast from point blank range, grazing the fellow medium mech's left arm, exposing the internals. Lich delivers a solid kick to the squat mech's left leg, ripping several actuators as it feebly tries to defend itself. In a testament to the clan mechwarrior's skill, he manages to keep the Black Hawk upright, then jumps away, only to get tangled up in some trees and fall over on the far side of the hill where Isgrimnur is being swarmed by battle armor.

The downed Thor tries in vain to fire its remaining weapons, sending some LRMs at Leraje while propping itself up to fire the LBX autocannon at the nearby Archer, but misses both shots, the LRMs flying harmlessly overhead while the slug goes into the air instead of into the 70-ton mech - the Kurita mechwarrior "nimbly" steps to the side, cutting into the Thor's remaining functional leg with a laser, fusing the hip joint. The Kurita Awesome fuses the Thor's right arm shoulder joint and disables the PPC there with one of its PPC blasts while forcing an armor breach in the center torso with its other two PPCs. The hits aren't very direct, but they do the job. The mechwarrior in the Archer then brings the mech's foot down on the left torso, cracking the armor. Not much left of that mech at this point. Still, the mechwarrior tries to get up, although whether it's to continue fighting or to try to retreat is hard to tell at this point.

TheMix jumps north, but is unable to target the Loki, firing at the nearby Mad Cat instead, with limited effect - about half the fired LRMs connect with the target's left arm. The Loki has no such limitations, blasting our Crusader center of mass with a PPC, but armor holds. TheMix's target Mad Cat stitches a pulse laser blast across our 65-tonner's left arm, just to let him know "I know about you, you're next", then flips its arms backwards and blasts the Marauder to the west in the left leg, causing a noticeable limp and a fine green mist to emerge from an evaporated heat sink. Said Marauder isn't taking it lying down however, cracking the nearby Loki's right leg in half with a kick, dropping it to the ground.

The Kurita Crusader engages the Mad Cats from the other side, taking multiple lasers to the front for its trouble. It does connect with a few shots on the other Mad Cat, however, removing some armor with a laser and MG burst. One of the lasers hitting the allied Crusader connects with the head, however, which causes the Kurita mechwarrior to stumble - the mech falls forward, impaling the cockpit on a tree. To add insult to injury, the ejection seat mis-fires.

The Daishi continues blasting at the Orion with lasers, finally finding its range and inflicting two armor breaches - one on the left arm, one on the left leg. With its armor pretty unbalanced, the Orion's mechwarrior trips up and falls to the ground, crunching its center torso armor.

The Vulture that took Siljanus' gauss arm off has to contend with a Wolverine and Shadow Hawk dogpiling on it, firing pulse lasers from an arm swung around to the rear and inflicting a couple of armor hits on the Wolverine. The combat is inconclusive, but it seems that there's one minefield that the clanners didn't get around to detecting, and the Vulture walks right over it, blasting chunks off its leg armor.

Overall, it looks like the clanners in the south have given up trying to cross the river on our end, while their northern force is a little bogged down.

Current battlefield state:

Spoiler:

Raw firing/heat/melee data:

Spoiler:

Target Mods:
Daishi: +0
Thor: +1 (-1 if attacker is adjacent)
Elementals (Isgrimnur): +2, risk of hitting Isgrimnur
All other Elementals: +4
Ryoken 1622: +3
Mad Cat 1332, Vulture 1619, Ryoken 1310, Mad Cat 3002: +2
Vulture 1213: +1
Loki 2003: +3 (+1 if attacker adjacent)
Mad Cat 2403: +0, +2
Black Hawk: +4 (+2 if attacker adjacent)

No ACE

Objective update:
Thor crippled and "withdrawing" (7/20)
Kurita Crusader destroyed (3/21)

Status update:
Kurita Marauder left leg actuator damage (movement reduced to 3/5)
Kurita Thunderbolt left arm destroyed (no MGs)
Kurita Orion center torso, left leg, left arm breached
Isgrimnur awake, swarmed, prone

Anti-battle armor swarm-reduction options:
"Brush off" - Must get up, up to two attacks (one per arm) at 7+, risk of punching self when missing, can only brush off with arms that haven't fired
"Thrash" - remain prone, automatic hit for ~16 points of damage. PSR (3+) to avoid armor damage
Walk into fire in hex 2323 - imparts an extra 5 heat end of turn, eliminate battle armor on 8+

Leraje · Post by **Leraje** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:09 pm

BL-KNT >> Stay put, fire ErLL x2 @ Mad Dog 1619. Failing that same for Summoner 3614
ON1-K >> Get up and scurry to 3606, afterwards proceed to withdraw - it seems too busted to continue in the fight effectively.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:33 pm

Nick,
Can I get a breakdown of the status of my Crusader?

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:16 pm

Sure:
1 engine hit - +5 heat/turn
9 LRM shots left
left leg - 4 armor left
left arm - 6 armor left
head - no armor, 2 structure left (basically one more hit and poof, but head only gets hit on a 12 rolling 2d6)
center torso rear - no armor
torso sections and right leg - ~15 armor left
1/6 pilot hits

So basically your left side is going to start hurting and you've got an armor breach that can be exploited if something gets behind you, but your mech is fully functional otherwise and if you keep your right side toward the enemy you should be able to extend your durability.

For reference, clan medium lasers do 7 points of damage.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:42 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:16 pm head - no armor, 2 structure left (basically one more hit and poof, but head only gets hit on a 12 rolling 2d6)

He says the turn after the other Crusader I was controlling gets killed by head shot....

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 1:50 pm

I also don't have your optimism about keeping my left side protected. I'm potentially being attacked from 3 sides.

If I survive, next time I'm just going to hang out with the rest of the gang.

Seriously, the north front is collapsing. We don't have the mechs up there to put up a defense or defend against flanking maneuvers. At this point, the only option I see is to collapse back.

TotallyNotEvil · Post by **TotallyNotEvil** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:53 pm

Leraje wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:09 pm BL-KNT >> Stay put, fire ErLL x2 @ Mad Dog 1619. Failing that same for Summoner 3614
ON1-K >> Get up and scurry to 3606, afterwards proceed to withdraw - it seems too busted to continue in the fight effectively.

Why withdraw with the Kuritas tho?

As long as they are Samurai-ing, they are drawing fire and doing damage. The North is already half a step into collapsing, losing something as hefty as an Orion would hasten that.

Leraje · Post by **Leraje** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:56 pm

TotallyNotEvil wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:53 pm
Leraje wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:09 pm BL-KNT >> Stay put, fire ErLL x2 @ Mad Dog 1619. Failing that same for Summoner 3614
ON1-K >> Get up and scurry to 3606, afterwards proceed to withdraw - it seems too busted to continue in the fight effectively.

Why withdraw with the Kuritas tho?

As long as they are Samurai-ing, they are drawing fire and doing damage. The North is already half a step into collapsing, losing something as hefty as an Orion would hasten that.

Well, I can always go with "Banzai!" option and charge something, but I'm pretty sure Nick would overrule that

TotallyNotEvil · Post by **TotallyNotEvil** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:06 pm

Nick, on the southern side, there's BA on 2423 and 2324, right? A bit of a mess in the map, there.

Has the Black Hawk lost any guns?

I'm thinking of jumping to 2223, kicking and lasering it while throwing my ERPPC at the 1619 Vulture, as it has got its back to us and that would go critical if it hits the back.

What would the heat from all that be?

Leraje wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:56 pm
TotallyNotEvil wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 2:53 pm
Leraje wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 12:09 pm BL-KNT >> Stay put, fire ErLL x2 @ Mad Dog 1619. Failing that same for Summoner 3614
ON1-K >> Get up and scurry to 3606, afterwards proceed to withdraw - it seems too busted to continue in the fight effectively.

Why withdraw with the Kuritas tho?

As long as they are Samurai-ing, they are drawing fire and doing damage. The North is already half a step into collapsing, losing something as hefty as an Orion would hasten that.
Well, I can always go with "Banzai!" option and charge something, but I'm pretty sure Nick would overrule that

Literal samurai, tho.

Its taken some armor breaches, sure. But its still got a lot of guns, and every single shot counts.

Look at the state of the mechs in the field, everyone is fucked up at this point. It can help face off that Mad Cat at 3002, which looks worringly healthy.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:35 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:53 am "Thrash" - remain prone, automatic hit for ~16 points of damage. PSR (3+) to avoid armor damage

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:48 pm

Re: Orion - it's beat up, but not considered "crippled", so the Kurita mechwarrior isn't going to withdraw just yet. He might play it pretty cautiously though.

Leraje · Post by **Leraje** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:01 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:48 pm Re: Orion - it's beat up, but not considered "crippled", so the Kurita mechwarrior isn't going to withdraw just yet. He might play it pretty cautiously though.

In that case cautiously engage Timberwolf 3002

WestorEast · Post by **WestorEast** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:54 pm

Kurita P. hawk will move north and engage the 2403 Mad Cat, going to the same level of elevation if possible

My H-H will move northwest and fire at the Black Hawk

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:52 pm

WestorEast wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:54 pm My H-H will move northwest and fire at the Black Hawk

FYI, I tried it out and I don't think there's any way for it to get LOS on the Black Hawk.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:15 am

Marauder to 2920, target Vulture in 1619. I think I can hit it in the back. Will require me to run through fire (which I think is +2 heat), but it looks like 2920 itself is not on fire. Also, do I still have Gauss ammo left?

Kurita Awesome will turn and also fire at the Vulture in 1619.

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:29 am

Isgrimnur wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 3:35 pm
NickAragua wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 11:53 am "Thrash" - remain prone, automatic hit for ~16 points of damage. PSR (3+) to avoid armor damage

So, uh, I went back and read the rules again and they explicitly state that thrashing is only allowed vs non-swarming units in the same hex. Which is why I couldn't get the option to show up when I tried it. Sorry, my bad for not reading the rules carefully enough, I got a little excited about the prospect of flailing around on the ground. So I guess your main choice here is whether you want to just get up and swat or get up, swat and walk into a fire.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:37 am

Ugh. I feel like I'm just repeating the same thing over and over now... Jump around and hope that it makes it harder for them to hit me.

So...

Crusader "THEMIX" >> jump to 2510; facing ... SW, I guess; fire at any targets that might be worth it

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:03 pm

Unless the fire gives me an advantage to removing parasites, I will forego the heat treatment.

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:18 pm

It basically makes them roll a 2d6 and they become "well done" on a 7 or less.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:04 pm

Barbecue it is.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:05 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:18 pm It basically makes them roll a 2d6 and they become "well done" on a 7 or less.

What does "well done" mean? Dead / critically damaged, or some amount of damage that may or may not be serious?

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:12 pm

Am I able to target Elementals swarming friendly mechs with my Mackie's PPCs or will I just end up hitting the friendly?

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:43 pm

$iljanus wrote: ↑Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:12 pm Am I able to target Elementals swarming friendly mechs with my Mackie's PPCs or will I just end up hitting the friendly?

With a PPC? Seems like it's just go through them and take out the mech behind them.

NickAragua · Post by **NickAragua** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:00 pm

The odds appear to be 66% of hitting the mech you're trying to "clear off", and that's if you hit the torso. So maybe not the best idea.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:38 pm

This is what I thought but I wanted to explore all possibilities. I feel rather helpless watching these Elementals swarming my comrades.

WestorEast · Post by **WestorEast** » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:43 pm

NickAragua wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 8:52 pm
WestorEast wrote: ↑Sun Oct 24, 2021 5:54 pm My H-H will move northwest and fire at the Black Hawk
FYI, I tried it out and I don't think there's any way for it to get LOS on the Black Hawk.

Then I'll move west and fire on the Mad Cat