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Blackhawk wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:55 am Again, the price of the safe option is beyond reasonable reach. $40 for 20 masks time four people in the house - we're talking $160 for 20 uses, and even if we rewear them a couple of times to make sure we get the full 'useful life' out of them, that's still only four to six weeks worth, $100+/month. That's just not possible for us, or for a lot of people.
I did see a post on the Twitters from a mask scientist saying that he believes that it would be reasonable to get 4 masks (per person) and then mark them (like hang a colored tab off the ear loop) and wear it for a week straight. Then hang it somewhere to dry out, and switch to the next mask for another 7 days, rotating though all 4 over the month and then start the next month again using the first mask for a week and repeating the pattern.

There was some debate, but most seemed to agree that was a better option for someone that couldn't afford or acquire a 3 day or weekly supply of disposables.
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ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Yep. I think they technically voted to go remote and CPS said no. Even if CPS had agreed, though, there likely wouldn't have been schooling today. The current operating procedures are that if a classroom has to go remote due to a positive case, there would be no instruction the first day to allow the teachers time to prepare for remote. That's how it's worked for my kids when their classes transitioned to remote for different periods of time, and I assume they would have done that here.
Yeah, they also have to have provisions for kids without remote access or devices and none of that was set up.

ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:38 pm I don't necessarily have a problem with switching to remote for a period, but I have the advantage of both parents being at home to help and a good internet connection. My biggest problem is with how all of this went down. It was unconscionable for the union to announce this at 11:30 pm. I have a feeling that this is going to cost them a fair amount of the public good will that they traditionally get in their disputes with City Hall.
Same. This is screwing a lot of parents and getting the CTU zero support.
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LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:39 pm They also have to have provisions for kids without remote access or devices and none of that was set up.
If they (school administration) wasn't planning for this over the summer, then what just happened is on them.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:41 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:39 pm They also have to have provisions for kids without remote access or devices and none of that was set up.
If they (school administration) wasn't planning for this over the summer, then what just happened is on them.

It takes time to whirr up all the tech and you wouldn't have all that running when you're not remote (aka the last several months). Even if they did send home chromebooks and hotspots this summer, most would be broken/lost by now. Granted they did have two weeks of vacation to sort it out.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:38 pm
Blackhawk wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:55 am Again, the price of the safe option is beyond reasonable reach. $40 for 20 masks time four people in the house - we're talking $160 for 20 uses, and even if we rewear them a couple of times to make sure we get the full 'useful life' out of them, that's still only four to six weeks worth, $100+/month. That's just not possible for us, or for a lot of people.
I did see a post on the Twitters from a mask scientist saying that he believes that it would be reasonable to get 4 masks (per person) and then mark them (like hang a colored tab off the ear loop) and wear it for a week straight. Then hang it somewhere to dry out, and switch to the next mask for another 7 days, rotating though all 4 over the month and then start the next month again using the first mask for a week and repeating the pattern.

There was some debate, but most seemed to agree that was a better option for someone that couldn't afford or acquire a 3 day or weekly supply of disposables.
With some searching you can still find name-brand (3M, Honeywell, etc) N95s for around $1/mask at hardware stores currently.

Example. There are 400+ in stock at 4 stores within 10 miles for me. And they also ship.


Granted I vaguely remember buying them in bulk for ~$0.25/ea pre-COVID to stockpile home improvement/hobby projects so not a screaming deal. Fortunately I still have some left.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:41 pm
LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 12:39 pm They also have to have provisions for kids without remote access or devices and none of that was set up.
If they (school administration) wasn't planning for this over the summer, then what just happened is on them.
They did plan on it. They apparently bought a mountain of Chromebooks. When my kids transitioned to remote periods, they were given school Chromebooks to use (and told not to use our personal ones). It's done on an as-needed basis, however. As LB notes, if they had handed them out at the beginning of the year in anticipation of this, there would have been major problems with it.

There was actually a rumor that kids were going to be sent home with Chromebooks over Christmas break, but that didn't happen. (My son has his school-issued Chromebook, though, because he was in a remote learning period when break started.)
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Blackhawk wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:55 am Again, the price of the safe option is beyond reasonable reach. $40 for 20 masks time four people in the house - we're talking $160 for 20 uses, and even if we rewear them a couple of times to make sure we get the full 'useful life' out of them, that's still only four to six weeks worth, $100+/month. That's just not possible for us, or for a lot of people.
As Smoove pointed out, N95s are not a use-once-and-discard type of mask that most surgical masks are. They are (supposedly) ok for at least 40 hours of wear time. Of course, 40 hours isn't that long for kids in school for 8+ hours a day or people that need to wear them constantly at work.
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When reusing an n95, I would check the fit and verify it's not leaking at the edges every time you wear it. Taking it off and on repeatedly will eventually impair the fit. And don't wash n95s - part of why they're so effective is an electrostatic charge to attract particles that would otherwise not be caught by filtration - leave them for a few days before reusing it (and rotate with others)
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Don't worry everyone, schools CAN open safely.
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:37 pm As Smoove pointed out, N95s are not a use-once-and-discard type of mask that most surgical masks are. They are (supposedly) ok for at least 40 hours of wear time. Of course, 40 hours isn't that long for kids in school for 8+ hours a day or people that need to wear them constantly at work.
That is a far cry from the '8 hours then toss' that was being pushed early on. I had my son wearing KN95s to school every day (back when non-medical personnel were supposed to avoid buying medical supplies), and it cost us a freaking fortune.
Defiant wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:06 pm When reusing an n95, I would check the fit and verify it's not leaking at the edges every time you wear it.
Unless I shave most of my facial hair off and go back to an 80s moustache, they're not going to fit perfectly anyway.
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Alefroth wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:54 pm Don't worry everyone, schools CAN open safely.
They absolutely can. But we've made it clear that Americans overall are more interested in making sure restaurants, bars, casinos and sporting arenas are open than schools.

There's zero reason we couldn't have made testing a priority for schools. Zero reason we couldn't provide N95 masks to schools for teachers and students. Zero reason we couldn't help schools build Corsi boxes.

But instead we were told to get vaccinated and go shopping.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:38 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:54 pm Don't worry everyone, schools CAN open safely.
They absolutely can. But we've made it clear that Americans overall are more interested in making sure restaurants, bars, casinos and sporting arenas are open than schools.

Precisely. They can be opened safely, we merely lack the will.
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Alefroth wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 8:03 pm
Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:38 pm
Alefroth wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 5:54 pm Don't worry everyone, schools CAN open safely.
They absolutely can. But we've made it clear that Americans overall are more interested in making sure restaurants, bars, casinos and sporting arenas are open than schools.

Precisely. They can be opened safely, we merely lack the will.
And, in the age of omicron, the testing apparatus.
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Blackhawk wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 7:17 pm Unless I shave most of my facial hair off and go back to an 80s moustache, they're not going to fit perfectly anyway.
I trimmed my scraggly quarantine beard down to a Walter White style "circle beard" last year because my C95 masks fit over it and provided a seal around the clean-shaven portion of my face. When I traded up to an elastomeric respirator, I had to bid a fond farewell to my chin whiskers and trimmed my facial hair down to a moustache that doesn't interfere with how that fits.
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Orange County CA Republican Deputy District Attorney who was very anti mask and vaccinate mandate has died of COVID herself.

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https://twitter.com/veenadubal/status/1 ... 7283869697
Sometimes things are complicated and angry people point blame at what appears to be the proximity cause.

Instead of raging at teachers, be mad at your employer who won’t give you time off. Be mad at your lawmakers who blocked coordinated responses. Be mad, but at the right ppl.
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So after the 11th hour announcement on Tuesday, they announced that today's classes were canceled sometime around 7pm last night. The message to parents/students for Friday is "check with your principal but plan on no school unless told otherwise."

They're leaving it up to individual schools, apparently as an attempt to do some union busting. Again it's more political games between CPS and CTU with kids stuck in the middle and actual COVID mitigation as merely a stage prop.
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We got this "anonymous" message from my kids' schools teachers routed via the room parents. For reference on the numbers, my kids go to a smallish K-8 school with 2 classes per grade, probably 25 students per class on average.
Hello Everyone! Since CPS has locked our teachers and staff out of their accounts they are unable to contact the community and share information.
An anonymous source has asked me to share this collective statement and I ask that you share it with your classroom lists if possible, friends, etc.

Dear XXXX School Community,

We have always strived to work alongside our families to create an educational experience that prepares our students to be compassionate, lifelong citizens of the world within the walls of our IB world school. We are disappointed and disheartened by the events of the last few days, as we want nothing more than to be with our students and to serve our school community.

Our decision to temporarily move to remote teaching is based on the reality of how our school has functioned in the midst of this pandemic with the limited resources the district has provided us. Despite all efforts our administration, our staff, our PPC, and our school Safety Committee have made to address the lack of resources this year, we were left with no choice but to support the shift to remote instruction. We now find ourselves locked out of our Google Classrooms and emails, but will continue to work and collaborate on with one another to plan for student instruction until an agreement is reached between CPS and the CTU.

We urge you to consider the reality of operating XXXX school under the existing conditions:

● Since the beginning of the school year, we’ve had over 18 teachers and staff contract Covid-19. 15 staff members contracted Covid in the month of December alone.
● In the week prior to winter break, we had 4 classrooms in quarantine and 5 staff members out due to Covid.
● In the first two days after our return from break, we had over 10 staff absences due to Covid and 2 classrooms were required to quarantine after positive exposures.
● On January 3rd and 4th, student attendance in the majority of our classrooms was at ~50% due to students in quarantine. On these days, classroom teachers supported students in front of them but also tried to meet the needs of students who stayed home for various reasons, including: responding to parent emails, creating asynchronous assignments, and in some cases providing remote instruction.
● Due to the district’s substitute shortage, both administrators, our case manager, IB coordinator, school counselor, and Diverse Learner teachers have been in classrooms to cover staff absences, therefore resulting in many essential services and responsibilities not being performed.
● Only 26% of XXXX students have opted in to weekly Covid testing and ~30% of eligible students have been vaccinated.
● Chicago’s daily positivity rate as of November 30th, 2021 was 4.0%. As of January 1st, 2022, the daily positivity rate is 23%. In our initial safety agreement with CPS, it stated that if the positivity rate reached 10% or higher, we would shift to remote instruction. We urge the Board of Education to recognize this metric agreed upon last year and to commit to supporting remote instruction when there is widespread transmission of Covid in our school community.
Through a joint agreement between the CTU and CPS, we hope for basic measures to be reinstated so that students can learn in a safe environment. These measures include:
● Increased testing
● Daily temperature checks and health screeners upon entry
● KN-95 Masks for both staff AND students
● Concrete metrics to determine whether schools or the district should conduct remote learning

We want to reiterate that despite the tireless work of our school administration, teachers, and staff to minimize the spread of Covid-19 and to ensure a safe learning environment for students, we believe the temporary shift to remote learning for our school community will ensure all students and staff can safely navigate this peak in our city. We also stand with our fellow CPS educators who work in school communities devastated by Covid and hope with a safety agreement, we can safely return to in-person learning. We thank you for your ongoing support.

XXXX Teachers and Staff
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"Anonymous source" = CTU.

My wife is on the LSC and has been contacted by CTU and CPS interests to float a similar emails, each with their own angle.

My daughter's school is going to operate with ~20% of the staff tomorrow, basically as a baby sitting service (note: I don't say this derisively - given the circumstances this is about all they can do and it will help a lot of families). They have asked that kids with the ability to do so stay home so they can accommodate those who have to come in due to parents having to work, special needs, etc. Kids that go in will have "work packets" to give them something to do but it is not counted as a school day. No remote.


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Yeah, it's pretty obviously CTU behind it. I found the numbers they're citing interesting, but I have no way to confirm or refute their validity. The 50% attendance statement seems a little suspicious to me based on attendance in my kids' classes (which was much higher than 50%), but maybe 2nd graders are especially strong against the virus?

Anyway, staying home is workable for us - my wife and I are both at home and we've got the resources to handle remote learning. I feel bad for those who are not so fortunate, however, and I fault both CPS and CTU for letting it get to this point (and I really have no interest in determining who is more to blame).
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ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:45 pm Anyway, staying home is workable for us - my wife and I are both at home and we've got the resources to handle remote learning. I feel bad for those who are not so fortunate, however, and I fault both CPS and CTU for letting it get to this point (and I really have no interest in determining who is more to blame).
I'm actually starting a campaign for parents that can't stay home during school closures - get kids back to work. We can repeal all those silly laws that prohibit child labor and kill two birds with one stone. School's closed? No problem - get to work. You're earning money (maybe overtime!) and helping to keep the economy nimble.
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ImLawBoy wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 4:45 pm I feel bad for those who are not so fortunate, however, and I fault both CPS and CTU for letting it get to this point (and I really have no interest in determining who is more to blame).
At this point they share about equal portions of the blame.

It's the Jaguars vs. the Lions and kids are the Wilson. Eventually one turd will win after the kids have been kicked, punted, and dropped all day. And we're all worse off for having had to be a part of it.
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get kids back to work
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L.A. county requiring employers to provide high-quality masks to workers. Imagine that.
Employers in Los Angeles County will soon be responsible for providing high-quality masks for employees who work indoors and near others, the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health announced Wednesday.

As the omicron variant continues to drive a recent surge in COVID-19 cases, the department stipulated that by Jan. 17, indoor workers who spend time “in close contact” with other employees must be given “well-fitting medical grade masks, surgical masks, or higher-level respirators, such as N95 or KN95 masks.”

“These upgraded masks are better at blocking virus particles from going through the mask,” the department said in a press release.

On Monday, Public Health announced it would require high-quality masks to be worn by all public and private school employees in the county.
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Smoove_B wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:25 am
Kurth wrote: Wed Jan 05, 2022 11:21 am Some good news: Omicron is milder.
A few caveats. First, Dr. Wen is...not a great person to listen to. She has a very mixed history as a public health professional and the piece she wrote the other day regarding teachers in NYC was offensive on many levels to the public health profession.

Second, saying it's more "mild" might be helpful on an individual level, but I fear the blasting of this type of message is going to continue to make things worse.
That's the point. It is time for us to look at what is happening and realize that this is the product of intentional messaging and public policy choices. In retrospect I hope we are looking back and shaking our heads at how awful and dark this time was instead of realizing this was the beginning of something much, much worse.
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malchior wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:45 pm That's the point. It is time for us to look at what is happening and realize that this is the product of intentional messaging and public policy choices. In retrospect I hope we are looking back and shaking our heads at how awful and dark this time was instead of realizing this was the beginning of something much, much worse.
Yeah, I guess it is.

When you say "in retrospect" are you thinking like next week? When we have collapse of just about everything? I am just kinda looking around and wondering how much longer we can do nothing as hospitalizations continue to increase. I genuinely don't know what it's going to take at this point.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:51 pm
malchior wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:45 pm That's the point. It is time for us to look at what is happening and realize that this is the product of intentional messaging and public policy choices. In retrospect I hope we are looking back and shaking our heads at how awful and dark this time was instead of realizing this was the beginning of something much, much worse.
Yeah, I guess it is.

When you say "in retrospect" are you thinking like next week? When we have collapse of just about everything? I am just kinda looking around and wondering how much longer we can do nothing as hospitalizations continue to increase. I genuinely don't know what it's going to take at this point.
I more meant looking back in 5 years and we will look back and say - wow this nearly got way out of hand instead of remember when we only had to worry about getting sick? But I suspect if things do indeed get worse they'll be minimized or the GOP will use it to attack Biden and drive down his popularity more. Can't let the crisis go to waste, amirite?!
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Ah, ok. I guess I was thinking about how there was a model published in the NYT by a respected researcher suggesting this current wave will peak at ~5 million new cases a day (with a range between 3 million and 8 million) and no one is blinking. Instead it's more of the same - get back to work and we must keep the schools open at all costs.

Or maybe (just hear me out) we try to do something to stop this insane spread? Maybe we all agree this isn't a great plan anymore - to just ignore it?
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:57 pm Ah, ok. I guess I was thinking about how there was a model published in the NYT by a respected researcher suggesting this current wave will peak at ~5 million new cases a day (with a range between 3 million and 8 million) and no one is blinking. Instead it's more of the same - get back to work and we must keep the schools open at all costs.

Or maybe (just hear me out) we try to do something to stop this insane spread? Maybe we all agree this isn't a great plan anymore - to just ignore it?
That's the problem. Most people think this is unstoppable and it'll be mild for them individually. We at scale aren't members of a community anymore. We don't trust each other. We don't trust our leaders. We've been divided and economically driven to a point where getting sick and reporting to work is preferable to noble ideas about helping others. It's crazy but this is what we are.
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malchior wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:08 am
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:57 pm Ah, ok. I guess I was thinking about how there was a model published in the NYT by a respected researcher suggesting this current wave will peak at ~5 million new cases a day (with a range between 3 million and 8 million) and no one is blinking. Instead it's more of the same - get back to work and we must keep the schools open at all costs.

Or maybe (just hear me out) we try to do something to stop this insane spread? Maybe we all agree this isn't a great plan anymore - to just ignore it?
That's the problem. Most people think this is unstoppable and it'll be mild for them individually. We at scale aren't members of a community anymore. We don't trust each other. We don't trust our leaders. We've been divided and economically driven to a point where getting sick and reporting to work is preferable to noble ideas about helping others. It's crazy but this is what we are.
Well, some people think that. Others think this has been a hoax / overblown from the beginning. So there are lots of people not doing stuff for a ton of different reasons (a menu of choices!) which leaves an insufficient number of people viewing it as "serious, but controllable if we take appropriate counter-measures".
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:51 pm
malchior wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:45 pm That's the point. It is time for us to look at what is happening and realize that this is the product of intentional messaging and public policy choices. In retrospect I hope we are looking back and shaking our heads at how awful and dark this time was instead of realizing this was the beginning of something much, much worse.
Yeah, I guess it is.

When you say "in retrospect" are you thinking like next week? When we have collapse of just about everything? I am just kinda looking around and wondering how much longer we can do nothing as hospitalizations continue to increase. I genuinely don't know what it's going to take at this point.
Suburban & Chicago hospitals are down to 10% 9% ICU capacity remaining. 65% vents.

The general consensus is that it will peak sometime around next Friday and gradually decline. The problem with this assumption is that if it doesn't play out that way we gonna have some problems.

Most COVID ICU and just about 100% of vents are unvaxxed.
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Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:57 pm Or maybe (just hear me out) we try to do something to stop this insane spread? Maybe we all agree this isn't a great plan anymore - to just ignore it?
CNBC talking heads were floating the idea of taking response away from CDC and giving it to DHS.
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LordMortis wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 10:29 am
Smoove_B wrote: Thu Jan 06, 2022 11:57 pm Or maybe (just hear me out) we try to do something to stop this insane spread? Maybe we all agree this isn't a great plan anymore - to just ignore it?
CNBC talking heads were floating the idea of taking response away from CDC and giving it to DHS.
Let's quit lying to ourselves, give control to the Federal Reserve banks.
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FDA just amended the Moderna Covid booster to 5 months after the initial two shot vaccine (they had done this previously for Pfizer). But what's the word on 2nd boosters? I am now 6 months out from my booster; I would assume that my immunity would be waning at this point as it did with the initial dose. Is the booster supposed to be just a one time thing or can one get boosters after each 6 month period?
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:09 pm FDA just amended the Moderna Covid booster to 5 months after the initial two shot vaccine (they had done this previously for Pfizer). But what's the word on 2nd boosters? I am now 6 months out from my booster; I would assume that my immunity would be waning at this point as it did with the initial dose. Is the booster supposed to be just a one time thing or can one get boosters after each 6 month period?
You got a booster in July?
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Fri Jan 07, 2022 12:09 pm FDA just amended the Moderna Covid booster to 5 months after the initial two shot vaccine (they had done this previously for Pfizer). But what's the word on 2nd boosters? I am now 6 months out from my booster; I would assume that my immunity would be waning at this point as it did with the initial dose. Is the booster supposed to be just a one time thing or can one get boosters after each 6 month period?
I got mine because you got yours, was it in July? Crikey. Mine was Pfizer.
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Got mine in early August, so I guess at 5 months now. But that's when they're recommending boosters after the initial vaccine...
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A few of the lawsplainers are starting to make noise that the argumentation in the OSHA vaccine case today indicates that SCOTUS might rule 6-3 against the vaccine mandate. We'll wait and see but the outlines of the thinking is that they think Congress should specifically authorize it. Note: this is an extraordinary amount of tea leaf reading but I'll note that right-wing legal voices are already celebrating based on the questions being raised.
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Between that and what our NJ Governor said regarding anything other than vaccinations in our state (nothing- he's not going to do anything other than vaccinate people), I think we're well and truly fuct. Good luck NJ healthcare workers - you're going to need it.
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Re: The Politics of Covid 19, mask wearing and the vaccination process

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Edit: Updated with my favorite comment.

https://twitter.com/natpuck/status/1479494386073411584
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