Ukraine

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sat Mar 12, 2022 11:09 pm

Looks like STALKER. All its missing are anomalies.

Drazzil · Post by **Drazzil** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:39 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: ↑Mon Mar 07, 2022 7:21 am
UsulofDoom wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:28 pm
Drazzil wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 11:10 pm
Defiant wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:32 pm
Archinerd wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:09 pm
I thought Ukraine already had nukes... but a quick google search turns up that they used to have nukes.
... until they gave them up in exchange for assurances that their borders and sovereignty would be respected that were signed by countries that included (checks notes) Russia.
So here's a stupid question. Do Russia and the other beligerants in this stupid stupid war realize that North Korea and Iran and every other non nuclear power are taking notes? Don;t they think that the NN powers realize that the only way you get to be left alone is to "join the club"? Good luck on getting any country give up their nukes ever. Treaties mean shit paper.
You can't think that way. Thats what the people who want to keep the second amendment think.
You have one of the first countries to give up nukes and here they are being invaded. Not sure how you spin it any other way. They're invaded because they don't have nukes and no one is stopping Russia because they do have nukes.

Side note to Drazzil: North Korea already has nukes.

Maybe... I read something a while back that analyzed some north korean nuke tests and came to the conclusion that NK blew up a shit ton of radioactive material with conventional TNT.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:15 am

What the everyday Chinese citizen thinks.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:52 am

Ukraine: Spam website set up to reach millions of Russians

A Norwegian computer expert has created a website enabling anyone to send an email about the war in Ukraine to up to 150 Russian email addresses at a time, so that Russian people have a chance to hear the truth their government is hiding.

https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-60697261

Lovely spam, wonderful spam!

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:55 am

If ya got 2 hours, and want to learn more (via Julia Ioffe) regarding the history of Putin and Russia.

Her insights, storytelling, and knowledge are just amazing. It's like I knew all of these things at a surface level, but most of the story is the iceberg under the water.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:06 pm

I watched the 40m(?) one one the last page. Is this different?

naednek · Post by **naednek** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:08 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote:I watched the 40m(?) one one the last page. Is this different?

Yes, her hair is shorter.

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Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:15 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:06 pm I watched the 40m(?) one one the last page. Is this different?

Yes
Totally different. It's from 5 years ago, so it's fascinating to hear in today's context. (plus, I learned a lot)

It's just as eye-opening as the previous video.

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 1:30 pm

Wonder how Putin feels about the Ides of March.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:56 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:34 am
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:12 pm I apologize if this has been shared already.

edit:: Icebear, you do not want to watch this.

I guess the only non-horrific resolution is that Ukraine visibly falls, or Putin is killed.

Honestly, if Ukraine falls do you think Putin will be placated for the rest of his life? Maybe we buy a few years peace but then it starts all over again, and next time we really will have to see if NATO abides by Article 5.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:07 pm

raydude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:56 pm
Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:34 am
Unagi wrote: ↑Fri Mar 11, 2022 10:12 pm I apologize if this has been shared already.

edit:: Icebear, you do not want to watch this.

I guess the only non-horrific resolution is that Ukraine visibly falls, or Putin is killed.

Honestly, if Ukraine falls do you think Putin will be placated for the rest of his life? Maybe we buy a few years peace but then it starts all over again, and next time we really will have to see if NATO abides by Article 5.

According to pretty lady, it probably would (placate him). She said Ukraine is the last piece of his plan (that SHE thinks, obviously). He got all the other stuff he wanted so far, INCLUDING, and especially, the US bowing to him via Trump's telling him he trusts him more than his own intelligence agencies. Not sure if you saw that part, but talking about that moment, she said "and you can just roll the credits right there".

That more than anything (the perception that Russia is strong and the US is weak, that Russia is trustworthy, and the US is tricksy, etc.) has apparently been his goal since the fall of the USSR. Self own by the US and Trump just hands it to him on a platter, for the whole world to witness. Seminal moment for Putin thinking he has 'won'. Apparently it's always been about denigrating us and showing how crappy we are, and actively meddling to diminish (see: Trump), because he still can't get over (or doesn't want to) the Cold War.

raydude · Post by **raydude** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:19 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:07 pm
raydude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 2:56 pm Honestly, if Ukraine falls do you think Putin will be placated for the rest of his life? Maybe we buy a few years peace but then it starts all over again, and next time we really will have to see if NATO abides by Article 5.
According to pretty lady, it probably would (placate him). She said Ukraine is the last piece of his plan (that SHE thinks, obviously). He got all the other stuff he wanted so far, INCLUDING, and especially, the US bowing to him via Trump's telling him he trusts him more than his own intelligence agencies. Not sure if you saw that part, but talking about that moment, she said "and you can just roll the credits right there".

That more than anything (the perception that Russia is strong and the US is weak, that Russia is trustworthy, and the US is tricksy, etc.) has apparently been his goal since the fall of the USSR. Self own by the US and Trump just hands it to him on a platter, for the whole world to witness. Seminal moment for Putin thinking he has 'won'. Apparently it's always been about denigrating us and showing how crappy we are, and actively meddling to diminish (see: Trump), because he still can't get over (or doesn't want to) the Cold War.

I'm not convinced he will stop, especially when you consider her closing remarks. "Every time we think he won't go that far, he does." I mean, if I were in Putin's shoes, and I pulled out a win in Ukraine? I'd think I was the most badass leader ever, and roll the dice once again. Maybe go for Moldova next time, since it's not part of NATO.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:43 pm

He also probably sees a good chance that a waiting period will result in more 'neutral' countries joining NATO and/or the EU.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:57 pm

More, this has some interesting takes on his younger life.
(This is not the same lady)

(I'll take a break from video sharing for a bit now)

Chraolic · Post by **Chraolic** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:05 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:07 pm According to pretty lady, it probably would (placate him). She said Ukraine is the last piece of his plan (that SHE thinks, obviously). He got all the other stuff he wanted so far, INCLUDING, and especially, the US bowing to him via Trump's telling him he trusts him more than his own intelligence agencies. Not sure if you saw that part, but talking about that moment, she said "and you can just roll the credits right there".

Yeah, that's about what this guy said too.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:12 pm

Is that Chamberlain?

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:15 pm

Yes.

Neville Chamberlain holding the paper containing the resolution to commit to peaceful methods signed by both Hitler and himself on his return from Munich. He is showing the piece of paper to a crowd at Heston Aerodrome on 30 September 1938. He said:

"...the settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine (waves paper to the crowd - receiving loud cheers and "Hear Hears"). Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you ...".

Later that day he stood outside Number 10 Downing Street and again read from the document and concluded:

'"My good friends, for the second time in our history, a British Prime Minister has returned from Germany bringing peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time."

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:20 pm

And a reminder: Czechoslovakia was not party to the talks that led to "the settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem".

Without consulting the Czechs, the four powers agreed that the Sudetenland should be given to Germany immediately. The governments of Britain and France made it clear to Czechoslovakia that if the Czechs rejected this solution, they would have to fight Germany by themselves.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:22 pm

Peace. Peace is bought with the blood of the innocent.

Or as Kane said "Peace through power"

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:47 pm

raydude wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 3:19 pmI'm not convinced he will stop, especially when you consider her closing remarks. "Every time we think he won't go that far, he does." I mean, if I were in Putin's shoes, and I pulled out a win in Ukraine? I'd think I was the most badass leader ever, and roll the dice once again. Maybe go for Moldova next time, since it's not part of NATO.

I believe, IIRC, that that was in response to the question about him using nukes.

And to be fair, I'm not sure she would agree with the words I kind of put in her mouth. She made reference to Ukraine being the last piece of the laundry list of things he wanted, but didn't indicate (or not) that she thought he would go beyond Ukraine (maybe she mentioned this in the other video posted, I only watched the first one).

But yeah, when is "enough" good enough for the Putins of the world?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:29 pm

Russia is asking China for military and economic support in face of sanctions and war impacts. It isn't that surprising an ask and we'll see if China will move beyond rhetorical support.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:30 pm

I'd say this is getting into Tokyo Rose territory except that Fox is made in New York.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:48 pm

https://www.cnn.com/videos/media/2022/0 ... rs-vpx.cnn

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:04 pm

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:05 pm

Does anyone know Russian and what her card said?

And then the second lady, was actually about to say something positive in support of the special operation but they took her away too.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:12 pm

Unagi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:05 pm Does anyone know Russian and what her card said?

Literally, it read: "TWO WORDS"

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:15 pm

Call for Gilraen.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:29 pm

Fascinating ....thoughts on Putin from a KGB agent.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:31 pm

Why do the police do that? They should think for themselves. Do they arrest their own wives and mothers?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:32 pm

Why didn't they arrest or stop the interviewer and the person filming?

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:54 pm

Defiant wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 10:32 pm Why didn't they arrest or stop the interviewer and the person filming?

Then how would people see that they should be afraid?

Kraken · Post by **Kraken** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:18 pm

malchior wrote: ↑Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:29 pm Russia is asking China for military and economic support in face of sanctions and war impacts. It isn't that surprising an ask and we'll see if China will move beyond rhetorical support.

The political risks to China for supporting a Russian war of aggression would be huge. What corresponding advantage would China gain? I don't think Putin's undying love is enough.

Also: It says a lot about Russia's war machine if Putin needs outside military aid to beat Ukraine.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:21 pm

China doesn't agree with the invasion. They detest attacking a sovereign nation or interfering with it. Its the same thing they would hate done to them.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Sun Mar 13, 2022 11:50 pm

Scroll down that tweet. Its pretty interesting.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:30 am

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 12:51 am

If I was Russia Putin Id worry a lot about Anonymous targeting me.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:46 am

They already have.

Russia tried at one point to trick local Ukrainian radio operators by leaking a fake list of their radio frequency. Anonymous immediately sent the amateur radio operators the list of real ones.

Pretty sure I read that here.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:42 am

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... tdown.html

Anonymous hacks Russian media censorship agency and leaks 340,000 files amid claims Moscow could try to cut the country off from the internet

https://fortune.com/2022/03/07/anonymou ... -invasion/

Anonymous claims it hacked into Russian TVs and showed the true devastation of Putin’s Ukraine invasion

I remember they hit the entire country's broadcasting network right after the war started. I also note we're not seeing a strong cyberwarefare predicted by everyone yet. I can only assume that is due to, at least in part, Anonymous either actively fighting Russian ops or having been part of the Russian machine and refusing to participate in their cyber warfare. That is an assumption on my part, though.

Hamlet3145 · Post by **Hamlet3145** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:18 am

My guess is that "Anonymous" was taken over by a NATO power, probably the US, some time ago.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:46 am

Hamlet3145 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:18 am My guess is that "Anonymous" was taken over by a NATO power, probably the US, some time ago.

Definitely plausible. There are more than a few factors that hint against that though. First a caveat - I've never seen or investigated a cyber attack at any client I've been involved with. That said generally speaking there isn't much threat intel about their methods and tools. Their targets tend to be repressive regimes who don't share intelligence. If they were going after major US corporations typically distilled intelligence from any activity typically makes its way somewhere - either into private intel feeds/ISACs or out via targeted law enforcement bulletins and other public/private info sharing forums.

That said, if it is a advanced actor group like a NATO or other offensive cyber military unit they usually over time develop a fingerprint of some sort. Advanced actor groups tend to re-use tools, techniques, etc. to gain and exploit access. So you'd expect if it was something advanced we'd see them pick up on that fingerprint and respond with a step up in cyber attacks on western targets or open accusations. We aren't seeing much evidence of that. It doesn't mean it isn't happening but the theory these are a loose collection of randos holds up for the moment as the most likely but still not the only explanation.