The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:36 pm

Doesn't he already have Derschowitz in the bag?

To the Internet!!!

Doing interviews with Newsmax:

Refusing to read the comments, nor even listen to the entire interview.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:59 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 12:28 pm How is this still a thing? How has this not been settled yet??

Breaking: The D.C. Court of Appeals has just said the House Ways and Means Committee can obtain Trump's tax returns from the IRS.

It is why I don't have much hope the system self-corrects. The courts are vulnerable to powerful bad actors who don't care about the system surviving.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:50 pm

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:51 pm

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:52 pm

Spoiler:

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:26 pm

Giuliani must go to Atlanta for election probe, judge says

ATLANTA (AP) — A judge said Tuesday that Rudy Giuliani must appear in Atlanta in person to testify before a special grand jury that’s investigating whether former President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia and set his appearance for next week.

Giuliani’s lawyers have argued that a recent medical procedure to place two heart stents has left him unable to travel by plane.

Who says he has to fly. Drive the little newt down there. Is he also trying to die now before being caught?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:29 pm

Daehawk wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:26 pm Giuliani must go to Atlanta for election probe, judge says

ATLANTA (AP) — A judge said Tuesday that Rudy Giuliani must appear in Atlanta in person to testify before a special grand jury that’s investigating whether former President Donald Trump and others illegally tried to influence the 2020 election in Georgia and set his appearance for next week.

Giuliani’s lawyers have argued that a recent medical procedure to place two heart stents has left him unable to travel by plane.
Who says he has to fly. Drive the little newt down there. Is he also trying to die now before being caught?

Staple a Greyhound ticket to the subpoena.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Aug 09, 2022 6:47 pm

FWIW this bolsters the idea that at least one component of the search was that they were trying to get records back. He had given back 15 boxes of material and they weren't getting cooperation getting back furth material they *knew* they had seen with their own eyes. It seems reasonable to expect they were able to convince a judge the records existed and due to the volume it was worth getting them back since they weren't being stored at a secure facility.

Edit: I still don't believe they'll charge Trump with anything. Garland simply doesn't have the stones. This story also nicely lines up with the idea that they are protecting the institutions. If true it's possible this story is leaking because they wanted to get the story out there to attempt to depoliticize this without breaking their own rules about commenting on an investigation.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:28 am

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:33 am

I refuse to believe this was all done just to collect unreturned library books.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:43 am

Didn't you hear the family float? It's for scrapbooking. Everyone knows he collects news clippings.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:14 am

The media does a great job periodically reminding me how significant a part they continue to play in this darkest of timelines...

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:17 am

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:14 am The media does a great job periodically reminding me how significant a part they continue to play in this darkest of timelines...

I almost went on a rant in the Deathwatch thread about this. I'd say in this case the NY Times coverage was more of an outlier. As far as I could see the other big players played it straight. NY Times played up the politicization angle in an irresponsible way IMO. Something has gone very wrong with that newsroom.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:25 am

They're not the only ones.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:33 am

Ugh. Didn't see that yesterday. Most of the coverage yesterday early was fairly straight.

The partisan outcry was the opposite of what Garland, a former federal judge, has sought in his 17 months on the job.

Huh. Imagine that. It is almost like the outcry is intentionally premised on the media AMPLIFYING it. I don't know how we dig ourselves out of this tribal warfare when we have these irresponsible flacks pouring gasoline all over it. At least this was in the OpEd section where the NY Times put it above the fold but jeez what a shit take. Nope looked it up wrong on the site. It *SHOULD BE* opinion but it's reported. Absolute garbage.

Edit: This issue gets me pretty hot under the collar. A big reason we don't have rule of law is precisely THIS type of behavior. How are we supposed to enforce the law on the powerful if the media is going to frame it as political every time? Garland has bent over backwards avoiding looking political to the exclusion of reason but that doesn't matter. Once he crosses the invisible line that divides how the law treats the rabble from way they treat the powerful the gloves come off. It makes rule of law impossible to achieve and it isn't too hard to cynically draw a line that they themselves want that blanket of elite impunity.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:50 am

Oh ffs... That's far worse than NYT's.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:50 am Oh ffs... That's far worse than NYT's.

Yeah seriously. The NY Times pieces are relatively straight forward with politicization elements. The WaPo piece is full on leaning into it.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:02 am

How about yesterday's piece on MSN:

Merrick Garland Is Compromised. He Must Stand Aside and Appoint a Special Prosecutor | Opinion

Written by former Deputy AG in Ohio and former spokesman for DoJ. It's almost like...there's a coordinated effort here.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am

malchior wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am
Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:50 am Oh ffs... That's far worse than NYT's.
Yeah seriously. The NY Times pieces are relatively straight forward with politicization elements. The WaPo piece is full on leaning into it.

The WaPo tweet is gone now. What was it?

LawBeefaroni · Post by **LawBeefaroni** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am

The lesson is that they'll go after you whether you bend over backwards to appear apolitical or not. So don't bend over backwards.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:31 am

El Guapo wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am
malchior wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am
Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:50 am Oh ffs... That's far worse than NYT's.
Yeah seriously. The NY Times pieces are relatively straight forward with politicization elements. The WaPo piece is full on leaning into it.
The WaPo tweet is gone now. What was it?

Something along the lines of 'Merrick Garland promised to be apolitical. Then he raided Mar-A-Lago.'

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:33 am

I guess we need a bot like Izzy to screen cap every tweet before posting. I hope he has a lot of that automated, somehow.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:38 am

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:31 am
El Guapo wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am
malchior wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am
Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:50 am Oh ffs... That's far worse than NYT's.
Yeah seriously. The NY Times pieces are relatively straight forward with politicization elements. The WaPo piece is full on leaning into it.
The WaPo tweet is gone now. What was it?
Something along the lines of 'Merrick Garland promised to be apolitical. Then he raided Mar-A-Lago.'

They've now changed the headline and completely buried the piece. It was "Garland vowed to depoliticize Justice. Then the FBI searched Mar-a-Lago"

It's not listed on either their Politics or Opinion pages, but it appears the link still works.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:41 am

El Guapo wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:28 am
malchior wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 am
Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:50 am Oh ffs... That's far worse than NYT's.
Yeah seriously. The NY Times pieces are relatively straight forward with politicization elements. The WaPo piece is full on leaning into it.
The WaPo tweet is gone now. What was it?

They updated the headline.

I think they are trying to soften it a bit. The story is out there in the print edition but not on the front page. It's in the A section. Yet, it isn't on WaPo's front page online. It's buried in the National Security section. Other stories that didn't make the print edition are featured on the front page of the web site right now instead. I also note that it is pretty much the only story concerning recent Trump events with comments turned off. I went in ready to give them a piece of my mind.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:42 am

Has Chris Cillizza weighed in yet?

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:45 am

Not that I expect anything less, but it's funny to see it laid out like this.

That said, I'm sure a similar compilation could be created from MSNBC clips defending Clinton.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:45 am

El Guapo wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:42 am Has Chris Cillizza weighed in yet?

He did. His 7-figure take away was that Trump still is the GOP front runner but his legal problems might weigh him down.

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:49 am

Skinypupy wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:45 am

Not that I expect anything less, but it's funny to see it laid out like this.

That said, I'm sure a similar compilation could be created from MSNBC clips defending Clinton.

Approximately as funny as it was 3 hours ago when I posted it on this page.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:54 am

Zaxxon wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:49 am
Skinypupy wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:45 am

Not that I expect anything less, but it's funny to see it laid out like this.

That said, I'm sure a similar compilation could be created from MSNBC clips defending Clinton.
Approximately as funny as it was 3 hours ago when I posted it on this page.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:50 pm

Regarding Trump taking the fifth in his Civil deposition...

BREAKING: Trump pleads Fifth, refuses to answer NY AG questions about Trump Organization’s alleged tax and financial fraud. This is a civil case — so the court can draw an inference of liability. This is exactly what the AG was hoping to achieve. The case is now even stronger.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:57 pm

Pyperkub wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 12:50 pm Regarding Trump taking the fifth in his Civil deposition...

BREAKING: Trump pleads Fifth, refuses to answer NY AG questions about Trump Organization’s alleged tax and financial fraud. This is a civil case — so the court can draw an inference of liability. This is exactly what the AG was hoping to achieve. The case is now even stronger.

On the other hand...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:18 pm

And while that was happening:

The Trump Org. has turned over copies of Mar-a-Lago surveillance tapes to the Justice Department.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:47 pm

Smoove_B wrote:And while that was happening:

The Trump Org. has turned over copies of Mar-a-Lago surveillance tapes to the Justice Department.

Tbh, as he's not allowed to watch the search, they could just be of the search.

Or, they could have been part of the warrant...

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:48 pm

Also, did I miss the memo where sitting senators are now floating nonsense about the nature of the search? How is this being tolerated? I mean, we all know Rand Paul is a giant bell-end, but seriously? This is acceptable?

Rand Paul suggests the FBI may have planted evidence in boxes they seized from Mar-a-Lago

EDIT: I didn't realize Marco Rubio was doing the same thing last night. Wow, they're really just going all in on this stuff, eh?

Zaxxon · Post by **Zaxxon** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 1:52 pm

It seems to be the entirety of the right today. Certainly a concerted effort to plant this narrative.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:02 pm

What could they possibly have planted that is more incriminating than Florida Man's daily actions?

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:23 pm

Jaymann wrote: Wed Aug 10, 2022 2:02 pm What could they possibly have planted that is more incriminating than Florida Man's daily actions?

In a twist, Hunter Biden’s laptop containing Hillary Clinton deleted emails.

Trump has been a stooge for Libs all along!

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:01 pm

Interesting twist on the story.

gilraen · Post by **gilraen** » Wed Aug 10, 2022 3:11 pm

Did Melania just want that shit cleared out of the house?