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Or the roughly 200 years before usage of the filibuster spiraled out of control in 2009/2010.
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...in Texas, sure. They're quite illegal here.Little Raven wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:19 pm it's pretty difficult to argue that an AR-15 is an "unusual" weapon these days - heck, sometimes it seems as if you can barely walk down the street without tripping over one.
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The solution is to win a Senate supermajority then reform the SCOTUS to expand its numbers so cases can be heard, eliminating the shadow docket. From there, add judges to make it so parties can’t engage in such extreme judicial selection.
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It's unfortunately seemingly improbable in any near-term scenario. We haven't seen a durable supermajority in nearly 50 years. And it certainly doesn't look possible in 2024. We're in for a long grind where low trust meets judicial tyranny. If we make it through this period without succumbing to the authoritarians, and hold out for maybe 10 years, then we might see enough boomers die off. That'll allow younger -- way more liberal -- voters to increase enough to potentially turn the tide. But that's a long time when things are barely holding together.
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Not so much anymore.
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The Comstock act is not enforced but it’s still on the books.
Those evil fornicating blue staters just need to wait…
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1461
If you can get Scotus to say mail, transport, personal carriage and the internet are covered you can born abortion, contraception and porn nationwide in one go!
Those evil fornicating blue staters just need to wait…
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1461
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Dude. Roe vs Wade has been overturned. Which the majority of the country didn't want.Little Raven wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:37 pmI think it's cute that you believe the GOP is competent enough to hold power forever. They can't even agree on a budget strategy. It took them 15 votes to settle on a Speaker. This is not a party that is prepared to go the distance.Smoove_B wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:30 pmI think it's cute you believe once the GOP is able to fully get back into power they're ever going to let it go again.
I'm not sure where your incredulousness comes from, but it's misplaced.
I honestly can't see how anyone can be paying attention in 2023 and think the GOP are incapable of achieving their (nefarious, imo) goals.
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Yup. I mean obviously if we're being literal then "forever" is impossible, but could we become Hungary within a decade? I don't see how that can be dismissed, especially given that so much of the MAGA movement is very explicitly modeling their strategy on Orban's.GreenGoo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 7:24 amDude. Roe vs Wade has been overturned. Which the majority of the country didn't want.Little Raven wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:37 pmI think it's cute that you believe the GOP is competent enough to hold power forever. They can't even agree on a budget strategy. It took them 15 votes to settle on a Speaker. This is not a party that is prepared to go the distance.Smoove_B wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:30 pmI think it's cute you believe once the GOP is able to fully get back into power they're ever going to let it go again.
I'm not sure where your incredulousness comes from, but it's misplaced.
I honestly can't see how anyone can be paying attention in 2023 and think the GOP are incapable of achieving their (nefarious, imo) goals.
And if we do then it's not crazy to think that the GOP's hold on power could last decades.
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What I don't get is how do people not see that the GOP has already had an "effective hold" on power for decades. Since 2000 and especially since 2010 the government has been a vetocracy with either the Senate or Judiciary largely controlled via obstruction or judicial action to control US policy generally in favor of Conservative and hard-right policies. It is partly why so many people are unhappy with our government. It doesn't even come close to delivering outcomes that people want. Maybe the GOP didn't always have the Presidency or majorities in Congress but they have wielded power far in excess of their vote this entire century. It is crazy that people don't recognize this still. IMO folks in the United States are extremely myopic and buy too much into the day-to-day noise while ignoring the long-term trends and outcomes.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 9:40 amYup. I mean obviously if we're being literal then "forever" is impossible, but could we become Hungary within a decade? I don't see how that can be dismissed, especially given that so much of the MAGA movement is very explicitly modeling their strategy on Orban's.GreenGoo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 7:24 amDude. Roe vs Wade has been overturned. Which the majority of the country didn't want.Little Raven wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:37 pmI think it's cute that you believe the GOP is competent enough to hold power forever. They can't even agree on a budget strategy. It took them 15 votes to settle on a Speaker. This is not a party that is prepared to go the distance.Smoove_B wrote: Wed May 10, 2023 6:30 pmI think it's cute you believe once the GOP is able to fully get back into power they're ever going to let it go again.
I'm not sure where your incredulousness comes from, but it's misplaced.
I honestly can't see how anyone can be paying attention in 2023 and think the GOP are incapable of achieving their (nefarious, imo) goals.
And if we do then it's not crazy to think that the GOP's hold on power could last decades.
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I don't think the current US political arrangement is conducive to us becoming Hungary. I think it would break first. Hungary is a little less that 10 million people, and amazingly homogenous by American standards. That model won't scale.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 9:40 amYup. I mean obviously if we're being literal then "forever" is impossible, but could we become Hungary within a decade?
And don't get me wrong, the GOP can most definitely break things. They're doing a marvelous job of that. And there are all kinds of dangers there. But I'm not very concerned about the GOP amassing lasting power in our current system.
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Why is that? I don't really follow the logic as to why you think the Hungary model won't scale to America.Little Raven wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 3:19 pmI don't think the current US political arrangement is conducive to us becoming Hungary. I think it would break first. Hungary is a little less that 10 million people, and amazingly homogenous by American standards. That model won't scale.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 9:40 amYup. I mean obviously if we're being literal then "forever" is impossible, but could we become Hungary within a decade?
Also, if anything the GOP has certain advantages from our system - as malchior is getting at the structure of the Senate and the electoral college in particular (and gerrymandering especially at the state level) has already allowed the GOP to exercise disproportionate power given their vote percentages.
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One other thought is it is far in excess of typical Conservative party advantages that persist in most democratic systems. Preventing action is often a win on its own for them.
However, the GOP has set up a favorable tax environment for their patrons, they have built an entire circuit and Supreme Court that acts to deliver them tyrannical reactionary power. They have achieved one of their major cultural goals in Dobbs and Heller.
And they've started to break down norms at local and state levels across the United States. The idea they are bulidng durable power is clear and demonstrably a fact. It is unserious to suggest otherwise.
However, the GOP has set up a favorable tax environment for their patrons, they have built an entire circuit and Supreme Court that acts to deliver them tyrannical reactionary power. They have achieved one of their major cultural goals in Dobbs and Heller.
And they've started to break down norms at local and state levels across the United States. The idea they are bulidng durable power is clear and demonstrably a fact. It is unserious to suggest otherwise.
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The Indian model is more likely. India has distinct regional identities and is now effectively a one part state under the BJP who used republican and Orban style tactics to take over. In the media space they have been particularly successful, using the judiciary and tax office to intimidate, investigate and even jail media owners who critique the government.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 3:32 pmLittle Raven wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 3:19 pmI don't think the current US political arrangement is conducive to us becoming Hungary. I think it would break first. Hungary is a little less that 10 million people, and amazingly homogenous by American standards. That model won't scale.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 9:40 amYup. I mean obviously if we're being literal then "forever" is impossible, but could we become Hungary within a decade?
Why is that? I don't really follow the logic as to why you think the Hungary model won't scale to America.
Also, if anything the GOP has certain advantages from our system - as malchior is getting at the structure of the Senate and the electoral college in particular (and gerrymandering especially at the state level) has already allowed the GOP to exercise disproportionate power given their vote percentages.
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Sure, but there's a huge difference between "punching above their electoral weight" and "the US becomes a one-party state."El Guapo wrote: Thu May 11, 2023 3:32 pmAlso, if anything the GOP has certain advantages from our system - as malchior is getting at the structure of the Senate and the electoral college in particular (and gerrymandering especially at the state level) has already allowed the GOP to exercise disproportionate power given their vote percentages.
I think there's a tendency for some democrats to imagine that Republicans are some tiny minority that only hold power through gerrymandering and dirty tricks, but they aren't THAT small.
In 2022, there were more votes cast for Republicans than Democrats. Given how many Republicans there are in this country, we should absolutely expect them to win - a LOT. Any party THAT big is going hold the levers of power at least some of the time.Overall, 34% of registered voters identify as independents, 33% as Democrats and 29% as Republicans.
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Forget how they identify. How are they voting. How many times have the Ds lost the popular vote and become president? How many times have the Rs. You can easily extend that to every level of government culminating in the SCrOTUmS we have today.
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Democrats need to develop and implement a counter strategy on the courts. It’s taken the Republicans 50 years to get here after they figured out a strategy after the liberal victories in the 50s-70s. They overstepped with Bork’s nomination which set them back over a decade.
We need the next Sotomayor and Burger to step forward, so the rebellion can be reborn.
We need the next Sotomayor and Burger to step forward, so the rebellion can be reborn.
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An actual one-party system? No. A functional one-party system, wherein there are multiple parties, but all but one are blocked from any form of governance? Yeah.
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As Beau says, the Republican party's base is aging out of voting. Each younger generation is getting more liberal, year by year.
Example;
When I was a teenager back in 1975-76, a young couple came to my dad for counseling. She was pregnant and white, he was a standup guy, and black. The woman's parents were... hostile. They ended up putting the baby up for adoption - my mom and dad cared for the newborn until the adoption took place.
Nobody blinks an eye about interracial couples having babies anymore, and they haven't for a couple of decades.
Example;
When I was a teenager back in 1975-76, a young couple came to my dad for counseling. She was pregnant and white, he was a standup guy, and black. The woman's parents were... hostile. They ended up putting the baby up for adoption - my mom and dad cared for the newborn until the adoption took place.
Nobody blinks an eye about interracial couples having babies anymore, and they haven't for a couple of decades.
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I don't remember which state, but interracial couples are a topic being discussed. Again.Default wrote: Fri May 12, 2023 11:52 pm As Beau says, the Republican party's base is aging out of voting. Each younger generation is getting more liberal, year by year.
Example;
When I was a teenager back in 1975-76, a young couple came to my dad for counseling. She was pregnant and white, he was a standup guy, and black. The woman's parents were... hostile. They ended up putting the baby up for adoption - my mom and dad cared for the newborn until the adoption took place.
Nobody blinks an eye about interracial couples having babies anymore, and they haven't for a couple of decades.
And conservatives are already in the minority in America. That's why everything that is happening is a huge scandal, rather than governance by the people.
The point being raised again and again, is that the GOP are not playing fair, or legal, and don't care.
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This was from a newsletter I get(got) from (gulp) CNN (only for the pretty excellent occasional perspective and actual journalism, like the following. Worth the time to read IMO. Kinda sorta bottom line: The Supreme Court evolved to grab power from Congress. And Congress gave it away
The Supreme Court holds more power than it used to and, thanks to its "shadow docket," can make consequential decisions that affect every American without so much as a written decision.
That's my takeaway from a fascinating and educational new book by Stephen Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas who is also a CNN contributor. I talked to Vladeck about "The Shadow Docket: How the Supreme Court Uses Stealth Rulings to Amass Power and Undermine the Republic," which publishes on May 16. Excerpts of our conversation, conducted by phone, are below.
The Supreme Court holds more power than it used to and, thanks to its "shadow docket," can make consequential decisions that affect every American without so much as a written decision.
That's my takeaway from a fascinating and educational new book by Stephen Vladeck, a law professor at the University of Texas who is also a CNN contributor. I talked to Vladeck about "The Shadow Docket: How the Supreme Court Uses Stealth Rulings to Amass Power and Undermine the Republic," which publishes on May 16. Excerpts of our conversation, conducted by phone, are below.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... -illinois/
The Supreme Court on Wednesday left in place for now Illinois’ new ban on the purchase and sale of AR-15-style rifles and large ammunition magazines, in the court’s first consideration of gun-control legislation since its conservative majority made it more difficult for governments to justify such restrictions.
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They're holding out for a better vacation offer. The Maryland case is still on the table.
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This is what the legitimacy of SCOTUS breaking down looks like. Not supporting or defending it but I know that eventually this is the risk we face as the Supreme Court acts as an unaccountable super legislature.
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Any details on what he would cite as the specific reason why? Institutionally there is a significant difference between saying "yes this ruling applies here but we're going to ignore it because we dislike it" and "we're going to ignore the ruling because it doesn't apply here because [paper thin excuse]".
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It's doesn't sound like he is offering a thin excuse. He is taking a substantive position that women's lives would be at stake. He's right on that. He said 'everything was on the table' in light of that risk.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 12:55 pm Any details on what he would cite as the specific reason why? Institutionally there is a significant difference between saying "yes this ruling applies here but we're going to ignore it because we dislike it" and "we're going to ignore the ruling because it doesn't apply here because [paper thin excuse]".
I also suspect this is partly politics as he thinks that this issue is going to be a winner for them in 2024. That is probably right. He seems to think that NC/SC/FL might be in play as women get motivated by this issue. To be seen but it's not a crazy stance.
Still I expected this. We're turning into a country that is facing tyranny of the unelected. I expect that to lead to a fight. Whether it's abortion or guns or whatever issue accumulates to a triggering event, there is a battle coming. Whether it is violent or not is to be determined but I just have been hearing too many elected officials hinting at this to dismiss it as just bluster.
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I agree with you. And I want to be way gone from Texas when it happens.malchior wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 1:05 pmIt's doesn't sound like he is offering a thin excuse. He is taking a substantive position that women's lives would be at stake. He's right on that. He said 'everything was on the table' in light of that risk.El Guapo wrote: Thu May 18, 2023 12:55 pm Any details on what he would cite as the specific reason why? Institutionally there is a significant difference between saying "yes this ruling applies here but we're going to ignore it because we dislike it" and "we're going to ignore the ruling because it doesn't apply here because [paper thin excuse]".
I also suspect this is partly politics as he thinks that this issue is going to be a winner for them in 2024. That is probably right. He seems to think that NC/SC/FL might be in play as women get motivated by this issue. To be seen but it's not a crazy stance.
Still I expected this. We're turning into a country that is facing tyranny of the unelected. I expect that to lead to a fight. Whether it's abortion or guns or whatever issue accumulates to a triggering event, there is a battle coming. Whether it is violent or not is to be determined but I just have been hearing too many elected officials hinting at this to dismiss it as just bluster.
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The wisdom of one of our post-modern tyrants. Guess he is an avid reader of those books about COVID fascism and forgot about slavery/Jim Crow/etc. in the process.
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The high court on Thursday dismissed as moot a case seeking to preserve Title 42 after the pandemic emergency expired last week. The public health authority had allowed for the swift expulsion of migrants without allowing them to seek asylum.
Gorsuch, in an attached statement to the court’s unsigned order, more broadly railed against the use of emergency powers since COVID-19 shut down normal life, referencing among other things, lockdown orders, a federal ban on evictions and vaccine mandates.
“Since March 2020, we may have experienced the greatest intrusions on civil liberties in the peacetime history of this country. Executive officials across the country issued emergency decrees on a breathtaking scale,” Gorsuch wrote.
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Big SCOTUS decision last week in the IP realm: In Warhol v. Goldsmith, the Court went 7-2 in favor of the copyright holder, Lynn Goldsmith, a photographer who originally shot a photo of Prince which Warhol used and transformed into a new work, which was then licensed to a number of magazines for publication. The only issue before the Court was whether Warhol's new work and subsequent licensing should be considered a fair use of the original Goldsmith photo sufficient to defeat her claim of copyright infringement.
Even more narrow, the appeal focused only on the first factor of the fair use test: The nature and purpose of the use. Warhol tried to argue that the Court should take into account the artist's subject intent when considering how transformative nature of the use of the original copyrighted material. Warhol has also tried to downplay the commercial nature of his use (a big theme in many of these fights today), and the Supreme Court kicked that argument to the curb as well.
Overall, this seems like a positive and well-reasoned decision. Also, despite the fact this was holding is limited to fair use and copyright law, I think it signals SCOTUS may not be all that impressed with the arguments VIP Products is putting forward about how "works of artistic expression" should get a big fat carve out from trademark law in the VIP Products v. Jack Daniels case we've talked about earlier in this thread. That one should hit soon, too.
Even more narrow, the appeal focused only on the first factor of the fair use test: The nature and purpose of the use. Warhol tried to argue that the Court should take into account the artist's subject intent when considering how transformative nature of the use of the original copyrighted material. Warhol has also tried to downplay the commercial nature of his use (a big theme in many of these fights today), and the Supreme Court kicked that argument to the curb as well.
Overall, this seems like a positive and well-reasoned decision. Also, despite the fact this was holding is limited to fair use and copyright law, I think it signals SCOTUS may not be all that impressed with the arguments VIP Products is putting forward about how "works of artistic expression" should get a big fat carve out from trademark law in the VIP Products v. Jack Daniels case we've talked about earlier in this thread. That one should hit soon, too.
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He's not wrong. The scale had to do with 2000 breaths permanently taken a day with nothing able to mitigate the damage but emergency decrees wherein 2000 became peak breathtaking.Executive officials across the country issued emergency decrees on a breathtaking scale
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Harlan Crow asserts he can't be subpoenaed because of separation of powers concerns. These people.
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So, if a Supreme Court Justice was suspected of murder, it shouldn't be investigated?
Hmm.
Also, they are investigating YOU as well, Mr Crow, even if you feel you are above the law because you have at least one Supreme Court Justice in your pocket.
Hmm.
Also, they are investigating YOU as well, Mr Crow, even if you feel you are above the law because you have at least one Supreme Court Justice in your pocket.
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Checks and Balancesmalchior wrote: Tue May 23, 2023 1:44 pm Harlan Crow asserts he can't be subpoenaed because of separation of powers concerns. These people.
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North Carolina case on drawing district maps:
The Supreme Court is considering a case brought by North Carolina Republicans that seeks to allow state legislatures to effectively have carte blanche over drawing congressional district maps.
If it were to grant the application some believe that the decision could backfire on Republicans, who currently only maintain a slim majority in the House of Representatives, as it would allow California's Democrat-heavy state legislature to redraw district boundaries in their favor.
The outcome of the case could have far-reaching effects: the Democrats lost control of the U.S. House of Representatives by four seats in 2022, while at least three Republican seats in California have slim GOP majorities.
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The theory points to the election clause of Article 1 of the constitution, which says the "times, places and manner of holding elections for senators and representatives, shall be prescribed in each state by the legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by law make or alter such regulations."
However, there is disagreement about how much power the clause delegates to state authorities, and which ones it is specifying.
While advocates of the theory argue the word "legislature" refers directly to state legislatures, the common understanding to date is that this refers to a state's public institutions generally—including the governor and Supreme Court, which can block new election maps if they find the maps don't comply with the state's constitution.
Legal experts at the Brennan Center for Justice described it as a "dubious interpretation" of the constitution, and noted that if the Supreme Court were to effectively adopt the view in its ruling, "it would radically change our elections."
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Maybe someone can demand the state legislators appoint the senators again?
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In today's news, the tyrants of SCOTUS have decreed that the Clean Water Act doesn't mean we can have clean water. As Kagan said, SCOTUS has decided that they are now the arbiters of United States environmental policy. What's nuts is that this was a case about building a house on one lot and SCOTUS took the opportunity to radically re-write environment policy. The new rule is that unless the bodies of water are touching above ground they can be regulated. If the water pollution joins the water underground then it's all coolio. You know because those 9 are experts/scientists. SCOTUS delenda est.
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The decision followed a ruling last year that limited the E.P.A.’s power to address climate change under the Clean Air Act.
“There,” Justice Kagan wrote in a second concurring opinion, “the majority’s non-textualism barred the E.P.A. from addressing climate change by curbing power plant emissions in the most effective way. Here, that method prevents the E.P.A. from keeping our country’s waters clean by regulating adjacent wetlands. The vice in both instances is the same: the court’s appointment of itself as the national decision maker on environmental policy.”
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The Ken Paxton case illustrates exactly how dangerous this is if Crow needs it:
A Texas House committee on Wednesday heard explosive new testimony from lawyers investigating Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, including that he appeared to provide a friend with confidential FBI documents and committed other potentially impeachable crimes in an effort to help him retaliate against adversaries and federal officials.
Many of the details have been outlined in a whistleblower suit that accuses Paxton of firing four top aides as retaliation after they reported the alleged misconduct to federal authorities....
...“Would it be fair to say the OAG’s office was effectively hijacked for an investigation by Nate Paul through the attorney general?” asked Houston state Rep. Ann Johnson, D-Houston.
“That would be my opinion,” said investigator Erin Epley, a former Harris County prosecutor.
The investigators listed a number of laws that Paxton may have violated, including abuse of official capacity and misuse of official information, both of which are felony offenses. ...
...Paul, who is in the middle of multiple bankruptcies proceedings and financial litigation, had wanted the attorney general’s office to uncover details about the federal investigation into him and his businesses, the investigators said. Paul donated $25,000 to Paxton’s re-election campaign in 2018....
...an attorney of Paul’s had recommended that Paxton’s office hire a young and inexperienced lawyer named Brandon Cammack as outside counsel to help Paxton investigate the federal officials looking into Paul. ...
...Paxton hired Cammack as a “special prosecutor” against the advice of his staff, according to the investigators. They suggested that Cammack was able to use the unredacted FBI report from Paxton to pinpoint the targets of 39 subpoenas, which went to Paul’s business interests and law enforcement officials.
Backing up another claim from the whistleblower suit, the investigators said Paxton pressured his office to issue a legal finding during the pandemic that foreclosure sales had to stop because of public health restrictions – a ruling that went against the advice of his staff.
Such opinions can take up to six months to publish, but Paxton pushed for it to be finalized in two days.
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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I'm speechless.To completely not understand the connection between wetlands and the water we all need to exist is insane. Insane.malchior wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 10:48 am The new rule is that unless the bodies of water are touching above ground they can be regulated. If the water pollution joins the water underground then it's all coolio. You know because those 9 are experts/scientists. SCOTUS delenda est.
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Re: SCOTUS Watch
They understand the connection but lawsplanations and reality don't have to match up. Write it down and close the case.Smoove_B wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 11:35 amI'm speechless.To completely not understand the connection between wetlands and the water we all need to exist is insane. Insane.malchior wrote: Thu May 25, 2023 10:48 am The new rule is that unless the bodies of water are touching above ground they can be regulated. If the water pollution joins the water underground then it's all coolio. You know because those 9 are experts/scientists. SCOTUS delenda est.
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