The Trump Investigation(s) Thread

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:06 pm

IIRC you have the right to a jury if you want it but don't have a corresponding right to a bench trial if you want that. That is, if DOJ pushes for a jury trial and Trump pushes for a bench trial, you could still wind up with a jury trial. Though presumably the court would be making the decision on that if there's a dispute.

But...this is sure making it look like filing in S.D. Florida was a mistake, right?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:35 pm

El Guapo wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:06 pm But...this is sure making it look like filing in S.D. Florida was a mistake, right?

I thought the decision to file in FL was based on the assumption that, had they filed in D.C., Trump's team would have strung things out as long as possible before asking for a change of venue to FL. Since most of the crimes occurred at Mar-a-Lago, this would probably have been granted.

So it was about avoiding delay of the actual trial.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:45 pm

I need to believe it's all be accounted for and when Tuesday afternoon rolls around we'll understand.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:53 pm

Take his passport(s) and forbid him from leaving the state.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:19 pm

If he manages to outsmart his secret service detail (or heaven forbid they assist him), we have bigger problems. I also need to believe that's the reason he's not in custody now - because he has 24/7 surveillance.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 pm

I missed this last night:

Donald Trump vowed Saturday to continue running for president even if he were to be convicted as part of the 37-count federal felony indictment that was issued against him this week.

“I’ll never leave,” Trump said in an interview aboard his plane. “Look, if I would have left, I would have left prior to the original race in 2016. That was a rough one. In theory that was not doable.”

...

Trump predicted he would not be convicted and said he did not anticipate taking a plea deal, though he left open the possibility of doing so “where they pay me some damages.”

A plea deal. For mishandling classified information? Is that even a thing?

Also, every time I see the 37, I laugh.

"Try not get any more indictments on the way through the parking lot."

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:10 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:19 pm If he manages to outsmart his secret service detail (or heaven forbid they assist him), we have bigger problems. I also need to believe that's the reason he's not in custody now - because he has 24/7 surveillance.

I've seen enough to not trust the Secret Service to prevent him from leaving.

Hyena · Post by **Hyena** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:45 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 pm I missed this last night:

Donald Trump vowed Saturday to continue running for president even if he were to be convicted as part of the 37-count federal felony indictment that was issued against him this week.

“I’ll never leave,” Trump said in an interview aboard his plane. “Look, if I would have left, I would have left prior to the original race in 2016. That was a rough one. In theory that was not doable.”

...

Trump predicted he would not be convicted and said he did not anticipate taking a plea deal, though he left open the possibility of doing so “where they pay me some damages.”
A plea deal. For mishandling classified information? Is that even a thing?

Also, every time I see the 37, I laugh.

"Try not get any more indictments on the way through the parking lot."

*guy turns to follow her*

Dante: HEY, YOU GET BACK HERE!

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:45 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 7:10 pm I've seen enough to not trust the Secret Service to prevent him from leaving.

I don't disagree, but I'm trying to embrace hope - even if it's a sliver.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:34 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 5:53 pm Take his passport(s) and forbid him from leaving the state.

You’re kidding, right? The best possible thing that could happen would be for him to leave. I’d fucking chip in to buy him a one-way ticket.

Again, he’s the biggest danger to this country right now. He needs to be gone. Any way that happens . . . Ok with me.

[Edit to make clear: Not ANY way. I don’t want him assassinated. If anything could potentially be worse than another Trump term in office, it would be that.]

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:35 pm

I don't want him Roman Polanski-ing his way across Eastern Europe and Asia. I want him in a cell.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:20 pm

I could see him fleeing to Russia and trying to pull some "president in exile" BS. It's all about the grift.

Carpet_pissr · Post by **Carpet_pissr** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:27 pm

Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:20 pm I could see him fleeing to Russia and trying to pull some "president in exile" BS. It's all about the grift.

Dammit, you beat me to it. Not about the grift part, just that it's an option that would not surprise me (if his lawyers can actually convince him that he IS going to jail for at least some period of time).

Seems to be going around these days! And I also think that would be MUCH preferable to trial, death anytime soon, by any means, including diabetes, or really anything that could stir up things domestically. Hell, try to run for President from there! Trumpski/Snowden 24! Trump/Assange? Would LOVE to see his ass flee the country.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:39 pm

Carpet_pissr wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 11:27 pm Dammit, you beat me to it. Not about the grift part, just that it's an option that would not surprise me (if his lawyers can actually convince him that he IS going to jail for at least some period of time).

I thought I saw something earlier today suggesting he already indicated he'll be holding a press conference at 8:15pm on Tuesday night from his golf course in Bedminster (the one I give the finger to every time I drive by it).

While I know it's a long shot to expect him to be remanded into custody on Tuesday...

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:26 am

Apparently Trump has posted a message to Truth summoning his horde to the courthouse in Miami tomorrow. Hopefully the 1/6 trials (and the short notice) will keep that threat at bay.

Additionally, widespread social media threats have led Federal law enforcement to tighten security in advance of the hearing tomorrow.

Washington Post

Federal and local authorities on Sunday amped up security preparations ahead of Donald Trump’s first appearance in federal court on criminal charges here, monitoring online threats and potential gatherings of far-right extremists while marshaling more police officers to be on duty.

Escalating violent rhetoric in online forums, coupled with defiant statements from the former president and his political allies, have put law enforcement officials on alert for potential disruptions ahead of Trump’s court appearance. He is facing a 37-count federal indictment, 31 of which allege he willfully kept classified documents in his possession after leaving the White House.

Authorities were monitoring plans for pro-Trump rallies in Miami, including one outside the federal courthouse on Tuesday purportedly organized by a local chapter of the Proud Boys, a far-right extremist group, some leaders of which were found guilty of seditious conspiracy in the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:36 am

Smoove_B wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 6:52 pm Also, every time I see the 37, I laugh.

37 has been the Clerks number since I saw the movie for the first time in the theatre. I hardly ever see movies in an art theatre. I saw Clerks three times and kept having to drag others. I can't imagine a time where I see or hear 37 and not think (or say) 37? as part of a call response. (I worked at a 7 Eleven at the time, so the movie really struck a chord)

Kurth wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 9:34 pm [Edit to make clear: Not ANY way. I don’t want him assassinated. If anything could potentially be worse than another Trump term in office, it would be that.]

Pretty much been my thought since 2017.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:27 am

TBH, there are a lot of people who will spin Trump's eventual death as a conspiracy no matter what.

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Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:32 am

Pyperkub wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:27 am TBH, there are a lot of people who will spin Trump's eventual death as a conspiracy no matter what.

They'll just have to use one of the different actors.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:47 am

I want to read that Trump had a heart attack alone on his golden toilet. Something embarrassing and pathetic.

TheMix · Post by **TheMix** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:02 am

Zarathud wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 10:47 am I want to read that Trump had a heart attack alone on his golden toilet. Something embarrassing and pathetic.

I also would accept a major stroke that left him unable to talk (and walk, feed himself, etc). But that would leave him aware.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:11 am

LordMortis wrote: Sat Jun 10, 2023 1:48 pm They are don't just work with the man they are part of the man demographic. Even when they are publicly owned, their boards are controlled by the hedge funds and their CEOs are making tens of millions a year.

Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his own brow?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:14 am

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:33 pm

A strategy emerges...

NBC News: Trump's arraignment can't go forward unless he finds local counsel — and it's unclear whether he has.

At least one prominent Miami-based defense attorney has turned down Trump.

If Trump doesn't find local counsel, the surrender and first appearance will still happen, but the arraignment may have to be postponed.

Octavious · Post by **Octavious** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:47 pm

I think this is less of a strategy and more that nobody wants to sully their reputation on that asshat.

And they would like to get paid.

coopasonic · Post by **coopasonic** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:53 pm

Can he represent himself and then get a mistrial because his lawyer is an imbecile?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:55 pm

Someone will have to be assigned to babysit.

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:45 pm

Trump. Gold toilets. Former President of the United States.

Public defender.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 3:47 pm

I'd love to see it.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:06 pm

Another rat deserts the ship:

Alefroth · Post by **Alefroth** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 5:48 pm

TheMix wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 11:02 am

I also would accept a major stroke that left him unable to talk (and walk, feed himself, etc). But that would leave him aware.

I don't know. I want something that will prevent him from being president.

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:11 pm

President Trump assures me this is all a sham witch hunt with fake evidence that won’t stand up in court. And that he’s so successful and winning and famous. So attorneys must be lining up to represent him to participate in the rewards of winning for a famous client willing to pay for their time winning his acquittal.

…or maybe all those lawyers know Trump is full of lies, false promises, has a losing case, and won’t pay even if they could win. Even the Unabomber could find a lawyer willing to defend an indefensibly guilty client.

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:02 am

Jaymann wrote: Sun Jun 11, 2023 10:20 pm I could see him fleeing to Russia and trying to pull some "president in exile" BS. It's all about the grift.

This. The harm he can do to the country doesn't stop in the event that he doesn't/can't run for president. It's his vitriol that needs to be stopped, and that doesn't happen just because he crosses a border.

Plus, justice would mean jail. I'm a big fan of justice.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:23 am

Jaymann wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:06 pm Another rat deserts the ship:

This guy is really arguing that it would be a good thing for Trump to be the GOP nominee?

Am I misunderstanding this? He actually thinks it would be better for the nation for Trump to be the GOP nominee for president because he’ll be easier for Biden to defeat? He’s hoping that the pending indictments don’t knock Trump out of the race because “Democrats should be worried” if Biden has to run against someone other than Trump?

So fucking myopic.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:27 am

I have no interest in Barr's opinions. Or Bolton's. Or Boehner's.

They had their hands on the levers of power, and reaped the benefits. And now they want to act like they weren't part of the problem.

Jaymann · Post by **Jaymann** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:01 pm

Kurth wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:23 am
Jaymann wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 4:06 pm Another rat deserts the ship:

This guy is really arguing that it would be a good thing for Trump to be the GOP nominee?

Am I misunderstanding this? He actually thinks it would be better for the nation for Trump to be the GOP nominee for president because he’ll be easier for Biden to defeat? He’s hoping that the pending indictments don’t knock Trump out of the race because “Democrats should be worried” if Biden has to run against someone other than Trump?

So fucking myopic.

Yeah that's a weird take. ANY chance that Florida Man can get elected is a bad thing.

Kurth · Post by **Kurth** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:40 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 11:27 am I have no interest in Barr's opinions. Or Bolton's. Oh Boehner's.

They had their hands on the levers of power, and reaped the benefits. And now they want to act like they weren't part of the problem.

The other thing that makes them totally useless is that no one else (except the media) gives a shit what they say. They’re hated and ignored on the left for enabling and covering for Trump, and they’re hated and ignored on the right for betraying Trump.

The whole lot of them have rendered themselves utterly useless.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:13 pm

Kurth wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 12:40 pmThe whole lot of them have rendered themselves utterly useless.

Yup and I definitely see filler content for the noise machine as utterly useless. In fact, they know their irrelevant but love the attention. They're overgrown children.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:52 pm

So...do they have the slippery wiggly worm this time or not?

GreenGoo · Post by **GreenGoo** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:57 pm

Isgrimnur wrote: Mon Jun 12, 2023 1:55 pm Someone will have to be assigned to babysit.

*Bailiff tackles defendant as he insists the judge is sitting in his seat*

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:59 pm

Daehawk wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:52 pm So...do they have the slippery wiggly worm this time or not?

He appears at 3pm. There aren't any recording devices permitted in the courtroom (including phones) so we'll all have to wait for the reporters to run out 1980s style to update everyone as to what happened.