Bethesda's Starfield

[Unagi]

See, now normally, I don't like to click something that then hands me an executable to run on my pc.

[Skinypupy]

According to "CanIRunIt"...

How did I not know about this website? I get mightily confused with all the GPU and CPU levels nowadays, this just makes it so much simpler.



The only games it says I can't run at the recommended at Immortals of Aveum (don't care), Saints Row 2022 (hmm), Forza Motorsport and Cities: Skylines 2

Thanks for that, interesting tool for those of us who are tech illiterate.

Says I'm not good on Starfield for recommended. But it also says I can't run Baldur's Gate 3 at recommended, and it's been doing just fine.

[Max Peck]

Factoring in the resolution is certainly a fair point, and is something I overlooked. I'm content with my 1080P display, so I still get a lot of performance from my old RTX 2080-S.

[Carpet_pissr]

Factoring in the resolution is certainly a fair point, and is something I overlooked.

Not only a fair point, definitely one of the biggest factors determining whether you can run something or not.

Massive difference in h/w requirements to run 1080p vs 4K (well). Not to mention refresh rates.

[Blackhawk]

I've been using System Requirements Lab for years. It's a solid tool (but see below.)

Says I'm not good on Starfield for recommended. But it also says I can't run Baldur's Gate 3 at recommended, and it's been doing just fine.

It says that I can run Starfield on recommended with no problem. It also says that my CPU is below the recommended on BG3 - even though mine is ~23% faster than the recommended.

In other words, even their tool gets confused with the absurd, opaque naming conventions that CPUs use now.

Remember when we just had to have '500Mhz or higher', and you could just check whether your speed was higher or lower than that? Now? i3, i5, i7, i9, some of each of which are sometimes faster than some of each of the others, and numbering systems that are actually codes, not versions/speeds (for Intel, the beginning of the number is the generation, the rest is the order in which the versions were created, so an i7 17800 could be slower than an i5 17200.) And that's before figuring in the letter affixes, and that's just Intel. I usually end up using Userbenchmark if I need to compare things.

Intel recently announced that they're changing the convention. Yay, thought I - a meaningful naming system. Nope. They're dropping the 'i' and leaving the rest the same. Retroactively. Because.

Compare that to, say, Nvidia, where the first number is the generation, and the xx60 is always slower than the xx70 which is always slower than the xx80 (and the XX60 is usually comparable to the xx80 from the previous generation.) It's not perfect, but it's a hell of a lot simpler than Intel's nonsense.

[baelthazar]

My issues are with the CPU and GPU, but the recommended ones are VERY similar to the ones I have. We are talked within 5% benchmarks.

[jztemple2]

My issues are with the CPU and GPU, but the recommended ones are VERY similar to the ones I have. We are talked within 5% benchmarks.

I like how they tell you by how much your driver is out of date. Maybe we ought to have a contest as to whose driver is the most out of date

[Skinypupy]

I like how they tell you by how much your driver is out of date. Maybe we ought to have a contest as to whose driver is the most out of date

Mine showed 5 months out of date too, but I updated to the most current version when BG3 came out on Aug 3.

So unless Nvidia's official drivers that came out earlier this month are out of date, I don't think that's accurate.

[baelthazar]

I like how they tell you by how much your driver is out of date. Maybe we ought to have a contest as to whose driver is the most out of date

Mine showed 5 months out of date too, but I updated to the most current version when BG3 came out on Aug 3.

So unless Nvidia's official drivers that came out earlier this month are out of date, I don't think that's accurate.

Yeah, I literally just updated mine. That is an ad to get you to click on this app.

[Max Peck]

Some impressions from the Gamescom Starfield presentation:

[Carpet_pissr]

I call BS on the CPU ratings. In a different thread, I think I asked about my 5 year old (?) i5 8400, then went WAY down a rabbit hole, looking at GAMING comparisons (and to be fair, only at the 1440p res I game at, which did make a difference IIRC), and the current CPU's offered VERY little boost to FPS (so little as you wouldn't notice while gaming) in comparison. I was frankly shocked, because I was ready to plunk down for a new mobo, CPU, memory. But when I looked at the very minimal, and no perceptible difference a newer CPU made for games, I decided to wait.

The very big, massived differences in the CPU's performance were in pretty much everything BUT gaming, interestingly. I assume that the devs and/or hardware manufacturers offload almost everything to the GPU these days. I do remember quite a few years ago that you could have a CPU bottleneck for gaming (if you have a brand new GPU but older CPU), but I guess that's less of an issue now. Or maybe it's just that mine is not quite old enough to hit that threshold. But again, my CPU came out in 2017, so....

[Punisher]

Forgot to take a screenshot but my passed minimum and failed video card due to drivers.
Updated drivers, refreshed and it still failed video card.
Recommend is RTX 2080 I have an RTX 3080 laptop gpu. I know it's not the same as a desktop one but it should still be equal to or better than a 3080 I'd think.

[Daehawk]

My pc is a little old ...snicker. That msg at the top still says I can run 100% of their top listed games....which clearly isn't true.

[jztemple2]

So let's discuss the next topic to keep us busy before release . For the PC, keyboard & mouse or controller? I played Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vega on the console with a controller and used a controller for Fallout 4 on the PC, just out of habit. However, recently I've started using the k+m for action games like this. What are folk's preferences?

[Daehawk]

Its probably very playable with m/kb. But Id prob use a joystick and kb

[gbasden]

Its probably very playable with m/kb. But Id prob use a joystick and kb

Yeah, depends on planetside or ship combat. K+M planetside, because that's how FPS should be played, goddamnit. Joystick + hotas or controller for space, depending on what's supported.

[Daehawk]

Its probably very playable with m/kb. But Id prob use a joystick and kb

Yeah, depends on planetside or ship combat. K+M planetside, because that's how FPS should be played, goddamnit. Joystick + hotas or controller for space, depending on what's supported.

Yep ive played many games just like that control setup.

[Carpet_pissr]

Its probably very playable with m/kb. But Id prob use a joystick and kb

Yeah, depends on planetside or ship combat. K+M planetside, because that's how FPS should be played, goddamnit.

Concur.

[Max Peck]

Mouse+keyboard and this baby for flying:



I also have a Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS One joystick on standby, if needed. Or if I decide to just live in Starfield, I could dust off my old Saitek X.55 Rhino, but clearing space to get that set up is a big commitment.

[Blackhawk]

So let's discuss the next topic to keep us busy before release . For the PC, keyboard & mouse or controller? I played Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vega on the console with a controller and used a controller for Fallout 4 on the PC, just out of habit. However, recently I've started using the k+m for action games like this. What are folk's preferences?

If it's got a gun and a crosshair, keyboard and mouse. Every time. A controller can't even come close when it comes to K&M accuracy and speed. For vehicles, it depends on the game. For some games (say, GTA), I keep a wireless controller on a stand right behind my keyboard, and simply pick it up when I get in a vehicle, then set it down when I go back on foot. But for other games, especially those with complex vehicle controls (which I doubt Starfield has) or precision combat, I'll stick with the mouse.

[Blackhawk]

My pc is a little old ...snicker. That msg at the top still says I can run 100% of their top listed games....which clearly isn't true.

Did you click it? It's not what you think it is.

It's a list of retail PCs that meet the requirements of every game.

[Max Peck]

My pc is a little old ...snicker. That msg at the top still says I can run 100% of their top listed games....which clearly isn't true.

Did you click it? It's not what you think it is.

It's a list of retail PCs that meet the requirements of every game.

I believe he's referring to the line of text at the top that says "You can run 100 of the top 100 Most Popular games" rather than the tab that reads "Runs Every game 100%."

Just the random capitalization alone convinced me that I don't want to let that website have any information about my computer.

[Daehawk]

Yep that.....the first posted pic above from Skiny showing his has a 3080 and a 10850 and says he can only play 97 out of the 100. How my old as dirt much lower spec pc can play 3 more than him is a mystery.

[jztemple2]

I also have a Thrustmaster T.Flight HOTAS One joystick on standby, if needed.

Thanks for reminding me, I have a nice joystick somewhere I haven't used since Elite Dangerous.

I guess I could have the joystick and the controller both connected, maybe?

[Punisher]

Thanks to pic above. I just now noticed it's actually labeled for Starfield controls.
I had no interest when I just thought it was a Starfield themed controller bit now I'm interested a bit, but hesitant at $80 not to mention plenty of places have it either sold out or much higher.


As for controls for me in general it's gonna be kb&m.
Space will depend on how that feels.
I have a couple of hotas but no room but also a couple of all in ones.

[Blackhawk]

I've got a nice HOTAS (and pedals), but I kind of doubt that Starfield is designed to really benefit from them.

[Madmarcus]

How my old as dirt much lower spec pc can play 3 more than him is a mystery.

The site shouldn't that I can't play BG3 but the only reason I fail is that I don't have enough free space on my hard drive. It doesn't recognize that I already have BG3 installed. Perhaps his computer is running into similar issues?

[Holman]

I failed Minimum requirements on the basis of my video card, but just barely.

I suspect this won't be a problem. I generally turn down certain video settings anyway (esp stuff like shadows and bloom).

[jztemple2]

Steam preloads are now available. Showing 86.4 GB but I'm sure that's compressed. Restart Steam to see it.

[Smoove_B]

I'm really worried it's going to take like 2 hours to decrypt.

[jztemple2]

I'm really worried it's going to take like 2 hours to decrypt.

Well, it took Howard Carter a lot longer, so I guess that's OK

[Punisher]

Now that I own Starfield premi, I'm more antsy to play.
Good news. I just realized this is playable Thursday night instead of Friday.
Bad news. I just found out that Monday is labor day. If I was wirking this would be great but I'm not so that doesn't matter. What does matter is that my wife is off so i can play Thursday and Friday and that's probably it. Not gonna be able to play much for the 3 day weekend now.
Oh well.

[Smoove_B]

I'm really worried it's going to take like 2 hours to decrypt.

Well, it took Howard Carter a lot longer, so I guess that's OK

[jztemple2]

If I was wirking this would be great but I'm not so that doesn't matter.

Hmm, I thought this was a typo, but...

https://www.urbandictionary.com › define.php?term=Wirking
Urban Dictionary: Wirking
When you are supposedly working, but in actuality you are shirking.

Meanwhile, give us a couple of hours, we ought to be able to come up with an excuse for you. You aren't Bahamian by the way?

Labour Day is a national holiday in the Bahamas, celebrated on the first Friday in June in order to create a long weekend for workers.

[Daehawk]

https://twitter.com/ShimermanArmin/stat ... 3372563676

[Blackhawk]

Yes, but does he like oo-mox?

[Skinypupy]

Thanks for reminding me, I have a nice joystick somewhere I haven't used since Elite Dangerous.

Same. My Saitek x52 HOTAS has been gathering dust for years now.

[baelthazar]

I'm really worried it's going to take like 2 hours to decrypt.

Well, it took Howard Carter a lot longer, so I guess that's OK

Bad joke...

Tut... tut... tut...

[jztemple2]

I'm really worried it's going to take like 2 hours to decrypt.

Well, it took Howard Carter a lot longer, so I guess that's OK

Bad joke...

Tut... tut... tut...

I bet your mummy would like it.

[Blackhawk]

I peer amid your jokes, and am deeply ashamed.