Too soon to start thinking about 2024?

[YellowKing]

The Biden campaign is already planning on playing to her strengths as a woman and a minority to help pull in voters from those demographics. For starters she's going to be heading up the campaign's abortion rights narrative.

[Victoria Raverna]

Focusing on whether the Ds can find someone better to run against Trump than Biden is missing the point. They aren't going to find someone better because they're not looking. Further, they're not going to look. Barring death or debilitating stroke or something along those lines, the die is cast. Biden is the nominee, full stop. No third party will come to the rescue. No darkhorse D candidate. It's Biden vs. Trump. That's simply reality.

Continuing to focus on his age or whether the Ds can find someone else isn't helpful or productive to getting him reelected.

Then I guess you have to get ready of Trump again.

[Alefroth]

Where did you get your crystal ball?

[Victoria Raverna]

Where did you get your crystal ball?

Most poll showed Trump was leading against Biden. While that is no guarantee that Trump is going to win, there is a good chance of that. So better get ready in case the polls were right.

[Alefroth]

Thanks for the advice. We're ready for anything.

[Kraken]

A trump dictatorship probably won't threaten me personally as an old, middle-class, straight white male in a comfortably blue state. As a liberal atheist, though, the incidental christofascist state makes me think I'll be shopping resistance cells. Surely they will need copy editors.

[waitingtoconnect]

A trump dictatorship probably won't threaten me personally as an old, middle-class, straight white male in a comfortably blue state. As a liberal atheist, though, the incidental christofascist state makes me think I'll be shopping resistance cells. Surely they will need copy editors.

Think again.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/2 ... m-00142086

I don’t have to be sarcastic . They plan to use the insurrection act on day 1 to change this country by force.

Hold your nose and vote for Biden.

[Victoria Raverna]

Biden's chance of winning is even lower now with more black people support Trump because they love sneakers.

[Daehawk]

Hard to believe this is America today. Seems like some fantasy made up land. The GOP clearly and blatantly are anti people anti American and yet half the country is right there with them rowing their boat for them.

Its a mad mad mad world we live in.

[Unagi]

FOX News takes Trump off air in order to fact check and educate viewers on Trump's lies.
No, seriously.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... abca&ei=17

[hepcat]

I think Fox has 787 million reasons to be extra careful whenever Trump opens his mouth and the Fox fools rush in.

God bless Dominion for fighting back,

[Unagi]

Indeed. I also think they are trying to inch away.

[Jaymann]

Indeed. I also think they are trying to inch away.

This. What will life after Agent Orange look like?

[stessier]

I worked the SC primary today. I'm my precinct, 273 Hayley, 278 Trump, 2 Disantis. 19% of the precinct voted.

[Kurth]

I worked the SC primary today. I'm my precinct, 273 Hayley, 278 Trump, 2 Disantis. 19% of the precinct voted.

That’s much closer than I thought. Your precinct is an outlier, right?

[Holman]

With 42% of the vote reported, it's 60-40 Trump-Haley.

Trump will win, but this isn't the total blowout he was looking for.

[Unagi]

I worked the SC primary today. I'm my precinct, 273 Hayley, 278 Trump, 2 Disantis. 19% of the precinct voted.

That’s much closer than I thought. Your precinct is an outlier, right?

Same here (than I thought), and also - I'm curious - was that typical or an outlier?

[Unagi]

With 42% of the vote reported, it's 60-40 Trump-Haley.

Trump will win, but this isn't the total blowout he was looking for.

Yeah, not at all - and yet, in her own state it's a (less than expected) horrible sign that this country still can't fucking shake the desire to hate-hate-hate-hate

[Kraken]

With 42% of the vote reported, it's 60-40 Trump-Haley.

Trump will win, but this isn't the total blowout he was looking for.

Yeah, not at all - and yet, in her own state it's a (less than expected) horrible sign that this country still can't fucking shake the desire to hate-hate-hate-hate

Well, if 40% of the party of hate prefers the less-hateful option, that's a good thing. The radio said this morning that Haley was struggling to get out of the 20s in the latest polls, so blowing away expectations might give her some oomph on Super Tuesday.

Not that I like Niki Haley. I did vote for her in the hope of giving trump a black eye.

[Victoria Raverna]

Trump: Biden is a vicious racist.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaunharpe ... 05a4076c96

Next step, Trump is going to stand in front of muslim and Arab and say Biden hates them. And he'll tell them that he feels like one of them and call Biden Genocide Joe.

[Jaymann]

Biden is the only person to have beaten the Orange Agent head to head.

[Victoria Raverna]

If Democrats run a moderate younger white male candidate that are not known to be racist or have any scandal, do you think he'll not be able to win against Trump? Are Biden's supporters going to stay home or vote for Trump?

[Unagi]

If Democrats run a moderate younger white male candidate that are not known to be racist or have any scandal, do you think he'll not be able to win against Trump? Are Biden's supporters going to stay home or vote for Trump?

question - In this hypothetical is the new candidate in opposition to Biden or has Biden stepped aside?

2nd question: How did the Democrats select this candidate? Backroom deal? or through a nomination-like process?

[waitingtoconnect]

With 42% of the vote reported, it's 60-40 Trump-Haley.

Trump will win, but this isn't the total blowout he was looking for.

Yeah, not at all - and yet, in her own state it's a (less than expected) horrible sign that this country still can't fucking shake the desire to hate-hate-hate-hate

Personally I think all voters should be allowed to vote in the primaries for any party. It’s got to be better than the risk you get two extremist candidates.

Of course you have to watch the risk that back room deals occur and party’s only field one candidate.

[stessier]

I worked the SC primary today. I'm my precinct, 273 Hayley, 278 Trump, 2 Disantis. 19% of the precinct voted.

That’s much closer than I thought. Your precinct is an outlier, right?

Based on the outcome, it certainly appears to be. I've done three elections now and been in three different precincts, so I can't say how this compares to past results. I also can't find anywhere that says what the turnout was to see how mine compared to the overall trend. SC is an open primary - I'm very curious how many democrats voted in the republican primary. There is no way to really tell, but my poll worker spidey sense was that it was non-zero.

In terms of stories from the day - had one person say "please tell me that we are using Dominion voting machines" to which I said I honestly have no idea. That wasn't in the training that I can recall - I'm pretty sure the answer is no based on how little they were used even back in 2020, but I wasn't going to say that. Had another person bemoan that early voting was even a thing and if people can't be bothered to take one day to do their civic duty, then they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all. Had a number of young-ins first time voting, which was good to see. Oh, and had a person asking questions about the ballot scanner (which is fine, we're there to explain as well as help vote) that centered around what happened to the thumb drive (the clerk takes it to the county office at the end of the day) and ended with the person looking at the clerk and saying with all sincerity "Okay - she looks trustworthy" - which really cracked me up for some reason.

[Holman]

With 99% of the SC vote reported, it's 59.8% for Trump and 39.5% for Haley.

Most importantly, more than half of Haley voters say they will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

[Kurth]

With 99% of the SC vote reported, it's 59.8% for Trump and 39.5% for Haley.

Most importantly, more than half of Haley voters say they will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

That is not an insubstantial number of GOP voters refusing to vote for Trump. In SC, no less. I wonder how sticky that is. They are saying that now, but what happens in November?

This is the Presidential election of my worst nightmares.

[Unagi]

This is the Presidential election of my worst nightmares.

Only because we survived the last one. Had we reelected Trump, our nightmares would have needed recalibration.

[YellowKing]

Yeah, and it doesn't jibe with the national polling showing Trump ahead. I think it's got to be significant though, because the primary polls are consistently showing a large bloc of Republicans who either don't want Trump or won't vote for him if he's convicted of a felony.

I still pin my hopes on the fact that election after election since 2020, the Dems have outpaced expectations. Coupled with Trump's weaknesses within his own party, we can only hope it's enough.

[Exodor]

Trump: Biden is a vicious racist.

With Trump it's always projection.

[Kurth]

This is the Presidential election of my worst nightmares.

Only because we survived the last one. Had we reelected Trump, our nightmares would have needed recalibration.

That’s true as far as the outcome. But I was much more enthusiastic and optimistic about Biden, the one-term hero doing his duty to prevent a second Trump term, than I am for this version of Joe Biden. So, from a campaign/election frame of mind, this one is much worse for me.

[Zarathud]

There is a benefit to name recognition, and Biden has that. He’s still needed to stop Trump, who has only become worse over the past 4 years.

After the election, Democrats will be vying to rise to become Biden’s successor — Trump will run again in 2028 if he’s not dead or convicted or broke.

[Alefroth]

Most importantly, more than half of Haley voters say they will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

That seems to be the trend for all of the primaries so far.

[Kraken]

I still pin my hopes on the fact that election after election since 2020, the Dems have outpaced expectations. Coupled with Trump's weaknesses within his own party, we can only hope it's enough.

Trump has been a serial loser since his fluke victory in 2016. He nearly cost the GOP their House majority in midterms that were supposed to be a red wave, and most of the candidates he endorses lose. I hope his streak continues. Eventually Republicans are going to get tired of losing.

[Victoria Raverna]

If Democrats run a moderate younger white male candidate that are not known to be racist or have any scandal, do you think he'll not be able to win against Trump? Are Biden's supporters going to stay home or vote for Trump?

question - In this hypothetical is the new candidate in opposition to Biden or has Biden stepped aside?

2nd question: How did the Democrats select this candidate? Backroom deal? or through a nomination-like process?

I don't think that matter. If people are voting for Biden even if they think he is too old or don't like his policy because Trump is worse. Why they're not going to vote for younger and better version of Biden?

[Grifman]

Biden's chance of winning is even lower now with more black people support Trump because they love sneakers.

Trump said the other day that black voters would support him more because he had his mug shot taken.

[Grifman]

With 99% of the SC vote reported, it's 59.8% for Trump and 39.5% for Haley.

Most importantly, more than half of Haley voters say they will not vote for Trump if he's the nominee.

SC is a warning shot to the Trump campaign. The fact that the Republican "incumbent" only got 60% should be sending off alarm bells in the campaign. SC is about as conservative as it gets and he couldn't do any better.

[Alefroth]

If Democrats run a moderate younger white male candidate that are not known to be racist or have any scandal, do you think he'll not be able to win against Trump? Are Biden's supporters going to stay home or vote for Trump?

question - In this hypothetical is the new candidate in opposition to Biden or has Biden stepped aside?

2nd question: How did the Democrats select this candidate? Backroom deal? or through a nomination-like process?

I don't think that matter. If people are voting for Biden even if they think he is too old or don't like his policy because Trump is worse. Why they're not going to vote for younger and better version of Biden?

Because a younger and better version of Biden is not running. What will it take for you to understand this?

[YellowKing]

To VR's point, in a theoretical world where Biden dropped out and a younger Democrat took his place, then we can speculate that yes, people would vote for them. But you can't vote for a candidate that doesn't exist. Biden chose to run for re-election, and no candidate is going to waste money to challenge a sitting President in the primaries.

In short, when Biden chose to run again, the options for another candidate were taken off the table. And no amount of pleading on a message board is going to change it.

[waitingtoconnect]

Ai has given us the perfect candidate : with gold sneakers