Defining the 21st Century Republican Party?

[Kraken]

Honestly I thought she already had become an independent during a prior election. Didn't people need to write her in after she lost a primary or something?

Anyway, potentially good news, though of course talk is cheap.

Maybe you're thinking of Liz Cheney?

[Grifman]

[El Guapo]

Honestly I thought she already had become an independent during a prior election. Didn't people need to write her in after she lost a primary or something?

Anyway, potentially good news, though of course talk is cheap.

Maybe you're thinking of Liz Cheney?

I'm thinking of this. Longer ago than I thought (2010). I guess she must have switched back to being Republican in subsequent elections?

[Alefroth]

The Tennessee legislator who introduced the chemtrails legislation also introduced this humdinger-

https://ifapray.org/blog/tennessee-reso ... d-fasting/

Rep. Monty Fritts, of District 32 in Tennessee, has sponsored a bill calling on the entire state to cry out to God for mercy and healing.

[Isgrimnur]

The Tennessee who introduced the chemtr ... lation als

Your link is not.

[Alefroth]

The Tennessee who introduced the chemtr ... lation als

Your link is not.

[Jaymann]

The Tennessee who introduced the chemtr ... lation als

Your link is not.

Have mercy!

[Grifman]

So Trump proves their point:

Trump attacks resigning GOP Reps as ‘cowards and weaklings’ as majority thins

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4566 ... thins/amp/

[LordMortis]

Cowards for not standing up to him and the threats of violence from his supporters for not being his kind of "republican?"

[Zarathud]

Cowards and weaklings for not bowing to Trump’s pressure to block aid to Ukraine. As Agent Orange.

[Blackhawk]

Cowards because Trump's a bully, and it was the first insult he thought of.

[Grifman]

[LordMortis]

Had to look up who he is and what Article III project is. The first hit I can't read from the NYT states

May 18, 2019 — Justice Gorsuch privately called Mr. Davis “the general” of his confirmation while Justice Kavanaugh referred to the former Senate aide as “a ...

So yeah, this reinforces my bias that I will vote for 0 GOP candidates (short of a truly despicable opponent and a demonstrably shining virtuous GOP ) at any level until the Supreme Court no longer reflects TFGs time in office. That may mean never again in my lifetime.

It's all about the Supreme Court. It continues to be all about the Supreme Court.

[Pyperkub]

One thing we're seeing increasingly as a definition of the 21st Century GOP - an embrace of violence against Americans who oppose them.

Merely the latest example:

A day after encouraging members of the public to “take matters into their own hands” to deal with peaceful protesters, Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) is doubling down on his endorsement of mob violence.

[Grifman]

The don wants his share:

[Carpet_pissr]

Weird use of tithe since it literally means "a tenth"

[Unagi]

Weird use of tithe since it literally means "a tenth"

Headline should have been: Trump Decimates GOP Campaign Donations Across America

[Alefroth]

I hope by the time they wake up and realize Trump would destroy the party for his own benefit that it's too late to save the party.

[Smoove_B]

I feel like that's already happened. Almost like receiving a fatal dose of radiation, they're dead but just don't know it yet.

Of course all bets are off if Americans elect enough GOP members into power.

[Alefroth]

[Carpet_pissr]

I feel like that's already happened.

Yes...been saying this for awhile. At best, he's co-opted it completely, made it all about him, and turned it into a fiefdom that reacts to his every whim and fart.

[Kraken]

I feel like that's already happened. Almost like receiving a fatal dose of radiation, they're dead but just don't know it yet.

Of course all bets are off if Americans elect enough GOP members into power.

They're almost surely going to take the Senate, they have a 50/50 shot at the White House, they own SCOTUS, and they control the House, if "control" is the right word for that clown show. They also dominate more than half of the states. Dysfunction is already winning.

[hepcat]

The best hope we have is that they tear themselves apart. We’ve already seen inklings of this. The GOP is at war with everyone….including themselves.

[Unagi]

Yeah, I feel like the damage done (to the country) will be based on how long it takes for them to self-destruct, not on how bad they get... so I hope I'm willing to endure some of this crazy shit as long as it exposes them to voters and breaks them apart from the inside.

[Blackhawk]

The self destruction is happening regardless. It's more of a question of whether they manage to make the idea of 'party' irrelevant before they implode. If they manage to take the WH and both chambers, their ability to function as a party probably won't matter much anymore.

[waitingtoconnect]

The best hope we have is that they tear themselves apart. We’ve already seen inklings of this. The GOP is at war with everyone….including themselves.

As long as Karen in Chief MTG gets the boot.

[LordMortis]

I've had the hope of GOP and specifically the vengeful religious and pseudo libertarian GOP implosion for a long time. That hope seems to founded in fantasy. While I assumed exposure was the key to a painfully quick boom. It's been anything but quick, and the size of support has grown like a weed ever since 2008...

https://octopusoverlords.com/forum/view ... 8#p1267418

[Carpet_pissr]

The best hope we have is that they tear themselves apart. We’ve already seen inklings of this. The GOP is at war with everyone….including themselves.

As long as Karen in Chief MTG gets the boot.

As if someone worse doesn’t exist? Careful!

[Grifman]

[YellowKing]

Sure, they only care about her being an uninformed nutjob when she's dragging the party down. If the polls were behind her they'd be lapping up her insanity with a spoon.

[El Guapo]

Sure, they only care about her being an uninformed nutjob when she's dragging the party down. If the polls were behind her they'd be lapping up her insanity with a spoon.

That's true, but at the end of the day the main thing I care about is that they reject her, rather than why they reject her.

[YellowKing]

I'm not sure Thom Tillis is the most accurate canary in the coalmine for the Republican party rejecting extremists, as he has a history of working with moderates and even supporting some progressive causes. However, I agree that any movement is good movement.

[Pyperkub]

All well known and documented in this thread, but worth repeating:

In general, conservative legal theory over the last two generations has been marked by a few big ideas:

That originalism and the text of the Constitution matters.

That judges should not make policy or legislate from the bench.

That courts should issue decisions as narrowly as possible, so as to leave the field open for both future legal maneuver and legislative action.

That when possible, courts should defer to the will of voters.

Am I generalizing here? Yes. Are there distinctions between schools of conservative legal thought? Sure.1 Let’s grant all of those distinctions and caveats.

Even so, from the 35,000-foot level everyone understands what was meant over the last 40 years when people talked about “conservative legal theory.”

The interesting bit:

Stuart Stevens wrote a book called It Was All a Lie.

His thesis was that the dogma conservatives had professed for 60 years—the love of small government and free trade; the desire for robust foreign policy; the belief that character and accountability mattered—turned out not to be values but rationalizations.

In Stuart’s view, conservatives had a bunch of groups they disfavored and then worked backwards to concoct an ideological framework to support these prejudices. No, not all conservatives. And maybe not on every single issue. But enough so that the generalization was generally fair.

When Stuart first published his book I thought it was an interesting idea. The preponderance of evidence that has emerged since 2020 has buttressed his case.

Yesterday the Supreme Court hinted that maybe conservative legal theory was always a lie, too.

[Grifman]

I just don’t know what to say to say to this:

[Grifman]

I'm not sure Thom Tillis is the most accurate canary in the coalmine for the Republican party rejecting extremists, as he has a history of working with moderates and even supporting some progressive causes. However, I agree that any movement is good movement.

My posting of this was not about anyone rejecting extremists, I just thought it was a funny quote about the Republican village idiot.

[LordMortis]

I just don’t know what to say to say to this:

Sounds legit. Like everyone else I hear from.

[YellowKing]

Sadly he's just a representation of millions of Americans who would vote for anything with an (R) rather than admit to themselves that the party they've been groomed to despise is the better option.

[Carpet_pissr]

Sadly he's just a representation of millions of Americans who would vote for anything with an (R) rather than admit to themselves that the party they've been groomed to despise is the better option.

Yep

[Unagi]

I just don’t know what to say to say to this:

Yeah, this man is just - just unfathomable. Among so many others. And yet there they are - plain as day.

Can you imagine (I can't) what possible inner narrative/logic his mind is or isn't going through? I honestly can't understand it, minus some massive payout or briberly-like or extorsion-like situation.


BTW, this post really should have gone in the 2024 election thread, where you shared Trump's post insulting Barr for endorsing him - since these two posts really are so in need to be seen together.

[Grifman]