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Saw a mention of this in an article, looks like an interesting take on the city builder genre:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2228 ... ORIAPOLIS/
UPDATE! This one too:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1812450/Bellwright/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2228 ... ORIAPOLIS/
UPDATE! This one too:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1812450/Bellwright/
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I don't know how many of you play or have played OpenTTD, which is a free version of Transport Tycoon Deluxe, but to celebrate their twentieth anniversary they have released OpenTTD 14.0, which adds a lot of new stuff. The game is free, give it a look.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1536610/OpenTTD/
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1536610/OpenTTD/
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I should give it a try. People raved about TTD back in the day. I never played. I tried Open TTD I don't know how many years ago (It was a lot) and the configuration and UI just weren't worth the hassle to learn the game. If it's now generations forward in time and configured to run through Steam, maybe it's better for me.
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There is an extensive wiki with a tutorial and lots of references. There are also the usual places to go ask questions like reddit, Discord, Steam discussions and of course here. If folks desire it I can start a dedicated thread, just let me know.LordMortis wrote: Sat Apr 13, 2024 2:46 pm I should give it a try. People raved about TTD back in the day. I never played. I tried Open TTD I don't know how many years ago (It was a lot) and the configuration and UI just weren't worth the hassle to learn the game. If it's now generations forward in time and configured to run through Steam, maybe it's better for me.
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Broken Roads ..thought Id turn you onto this little seeming gem. Irs sorta Fallout in the Outback of Australia. If you're still here then take a look at it. It has promise I think but its off to a rocky start too. Typical.
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This looks fun too,
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1887 ... _Treasure/
Heres an Xbox video but its on Steam too...or will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_lJx3B9ttQ&t=1s
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1887 ... _Treasure/
The company is called AGGRO CRAB....and they release a 2nd crab themed game. Me thinks they are a bit crab happy.In a vibrant undersea kingdom on the verge of collapse, a hermit crab embarks on a treasure hunt to buy back his repossessed shell. The second game from AGGRO CRAB
Heres an Xbox video but its on Steam too...or will be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_lJx3B9ttQ&t=1s
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New Steam game released into early access this week, sounds interesting. From PC Gamer:
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2116 ... Red_River/
https://youtu.be/IGxwGa8UdVQ?si=X41ZK5MTRyTqgc4pHere's a tactical extraction shooter focusing on careful PvE maneuvering with—and this is the important part—no PvP. This is brilliant news if you love the idea of games like Escape from Tarkov but fail miserably in practice. Set in an alternate history Vietnam wracked by civil war, squads of up to four players complete contracts dished out by three different private military companies, with a variety of gadgets and loadouts to deliberate over. It's an Early Access game, and development will take another two years, but it looks like there's already plenty to chew on already. Oh, and it can be played solo as well.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2116 ... Red_River/
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Interesting. It might be something for the future. Brian?
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From what you posted I like.
EDIT: Eh I added funds and bought it just now. Installing.
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It's at a real decent price so i took a chance. I LOVE PVE. Pkaying solo is just icing. However if there is no friendly fire I mught give multiplayer a shot.jztemple2 wrote: Sun Apr 14, 2024 10:58 pm New Steam game released into early access this week, sounds interesting. From PC Gamer:https://youtu.be/IGxwGa8UdVQ?si=X41ZK5MTRyTqgc4pHere's a tactical extraction shooter focusing on careful PvE maneuvering with—and this is the important part—no PvP. This is brilliant news if you love the idea of games like Escape from Tarkov but fail miserably in practice. Set in an alternate history Vietnam wracked by civil war, squads of up to four players complete contracts dished out by three different private military companies, with a variety of gadgets and loadouts to deliberate over. It's an Early Access game, and development will take another two years, but it looks like there's already plenty to chew on already. Oh, and it can be played solo as well.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2116 ... Red_River/
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Don't you hate it when you get an achievement or trophy for just following the main line of the story. IMO they should be reserved for doing something special or out of the ordinary.
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I remember getting the platinum trophy for The Walking Dead (platinum on Playstation is what you get for finishing every other achievement.) You literally get it, and every other achievement in that game, just for playing through it.
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Those are pretty much the only achievements I ever see.Jaymann wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2024 7:48 pm Don't you hate it when you get an achievement or trophy for just following the main line of the story.
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Achievements are a distraction that pop up on my screen solely to annoy me.
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Agreed.ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:08 am Achievements are a distraction that pop up on my screen solely to annoy me.
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I have nothing against achievements, I just don't ever go out of my way to get them.
Interestingly, I have asked my kids about trophies (10 and 15) and they have all said they don't really care about getting them either.
Interestingly, I have asked my kids about trophies (10 and 15) and they have all said they don't really care about getting them either.
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I find achievements of minor interest, like milestones showing how far you have progressed. In my current game Sweet Transit the achievements are tied to some nice artwork as well. Like my wife's relatives, they are nice but I wouldn't miss them if they were no longer around
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When I'm on the PS5, they are something I need to remember to look up to see what it was that I achieved. The video snapshots don't help much.ImLawBoy wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 9:08 am Achievements are a distraction that pop up on my screen solely to annoy me.
Actually, I have to do the same thing on the PC, but then it's just a slight glance to the right to the second monitor and steam telling me what it was.
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On some games I enjoy them as something like an extra set of goals - almost a set of side quests. Figuring out how to achieve them can be interesting, as can actually pulling off a tough one.
In other games I ignore them completely.
In other games I ignore them completely.
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+1.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:31 pm On some games I enjoy them as something like an extra set of goals - almost a set of side quests. Figuring out how to achieve them can be interesting, as can actually pulling off a tough one.
In other games I ignore them completely.
Depends on the game and the achievement. I will definitely chase an achievement on occasion, or ignore them completely.
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Just totally useless to me.
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Absolutely. If I'm having tons of fun with the minute-to-minute gameplay, I'm more likely to seek out achievements (like I'm working on getting all of the achievements for the Borderlands series right now.) But I'll ignore them if I'm ready for a game to be over and done with, or if I'm just liking it, or if they're absurd or grindy ("kill 10,000 enemies with sniper rifles without using the scope", "Finish the game on Ultra Mega Impossible with Double Hardcore enabled", etc.) Or even if they're built on an insane number of playthroughs ("Finish the game as every faction" in a Civ-like game with 15 factions.)GreenGoo wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:38 pm+1.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:31 pm On some games I enjoy them as something like an extra set of goals - almost a set of side quests. Figuring out how to achieve them can be interesting, as can actually pulling off a tough one.
In other games I ignore them completely.
Depends on the game and the achievement. I will definitely chase an achievement on occasion, or ignore them completely.
In other words, I'll chase them all down if doing so is going to be fun and an extra gameplay twist, but not if they're unfun.
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Picked up a game called The Gnorp Antelogue and started playing when I realized OH NO THIS IS AN IDLE CLICKER GAME. I get way too into those and it's a real problem.
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What is an idle clicker game?
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Click your mouse on this square: [ ]
Now do it again.
Again.
Now you've got it.
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Cookie clicker, Idle Champions of the Forgotten Realms, etc.
It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Starting to make progress in Sifu. Made it to the second stage of the third boss on a single playthrough (i.e. dying in your 70's).
It's fun, but I still make a ton of mistakes and miss-timings etc.
It's fun, but I still make a ton of mistakes and miss-timings etc.
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Think of it as the polar opposite of this gaming gem, that mocks "button-mashing fools"…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5-arv3dW7I
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Same here. Half-Life 2 had an achievement called "Little Rocket Man" which required you to play most of the game in a different and awkward way. I found it a memorable (and annoying!) challenge.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:31 pm On some games I enjoy them as something like an extra set of goals - almost a set of side quests. Figuring out how to achieve them can be interesting, as can actually pulling off a tough one.
In other games I ignore them completely.
The other reason achievements can be cool is the global stats. I like seeing how many players got the various achievements. How many people finished chapter 1, compared to how many finished the game? I bet developers like these stats too.
Other than that, I find achievements annoying. I recently played a game that popped up two achievements right as the dramatic final cutscene started playing. I was like "dude, not now." I should remember to turn off achievement pop-ups.
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Trying to keep that little red-hatted bastard in a milk crate during the driving sequences...Hipolito wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:35 pmSame here. Half-Life 2 had an achievement called "Little Rocket Man" which required you to play most of the game in a different and awkward way. I found it a memorable (and annoying!) challenge.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:31 pm On some games I enjoy them as something like an extra set of goals - almost a set of side quests. Figuring out how to achieve them can be interesting, as can actually pulling off a tough one.
In other games I ignore them completely.
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i did the Zachtonics Solitaire Collection "win 100 hands of all eight game types" achievements just because it was so absurd. (i haven't really picked it up again ever since, however)
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Seeing how many people made it to specific points in the game or hit basic milestones is generally the only part of achievements that is interesting to me.Hipolito wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:35 pm The other reason achievements can be cool is the global stats. I like seeing how many players got the various achievements. How many people finished chapter 1, compared to how many finished the game? I bet developers like these stats too.
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Tried bragging to my son about my progress, he was like "oh yeah, I made it to the last boss but I'm not a fan of how the fight worked so I never did finish it".GreenGoo wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 10:48 pm Starting to make progress in Sifu. Made it to the second stage of the third boss on a single playthrough (i.e. dying in your 70's).
It's fun, but I still make a ton of mistakes and miss-timings etc.
My understanding of his gaming was that grand strategy and minecraft-esque games were his forte and interest. I was crestfallen to learn that my progress that I was so proud of was nothing but an afterthought to him. Too funny.
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There is a third reason. Some games unlock content with achievements, a la Into the Breach, as example.Hipolito wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 11:35 pmSame here. Half-Life 2 had an achievement called "Little Rocket Man" which required you to play most of the game in a different and awkward way. I found it a memorable (and annoying!) challenge.Blackhawk wrote: Wed Apr 17, 2024 2:31 pm On some games I enjoy them as something like an extra set of goals - almost a set of side quests. Figuring out how to achieve them can be interesting, as can actually pulling off a tough one.
In other games I ignore them completely.
The other reason achievements can be cool is the global stats. I like seeing how many players got the various achievements. How many people finished chapter 1, compared to how many finished the game? I bet developers like these stats too.
Other than that, I find achievements annoying. I recently played a game that popped up two achievements right as the dramatic final cutscene started playing. I was like "dude, not now." I should remember to turn off achievement pop-ups.
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Huh. I've never played a game with that "feature" before and think I would be really annoyed if I did.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:31 am There is a third reason. Some games unlock content with achievements, a la Into the Breach, as example.
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I thought that's how achievements started as a thing in the way back machine. You unlocked an achievement in old style video games and it opens up content of some sort. Usually an income or a thing to make you better. I remember them from my console days going back to I don't know how far.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:47 amHuh. I've never played a game with that "feature" before and think I would be really annoyed if I did.LordMortis wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:31 am There is a third reason. Some games unlock content with achievements, a la Into the Breach, as example.
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This is normally just regular game progression. You can't play chapter 2 until you have the chapter 1 achievement, etc.Skinypupy wrote: Thu Apr 18, 2024 9:47 am
Huh. I've never played a game with that "feature" before and think I would be really annoyed if I did.