Joe, no, the other one, for president
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Joe, no, the other one, for president
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So 'No Label' is being funded by GOP aligned operatives, right? Anyone who thinks Biden isn't a centrist doesn't have their head on straight. FWIW this is what I've always worried about when I talked about how difficult it was for anyone to maintain a winning coalition that doesn't have any of the red states in it. The temptation to forge one built in fantasy is very strong. The 'radical centrists' really think there is a real appetite for this. They could very well hand us over to the darkness and/or hasten a hot civil war.
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By “GOP aligned operatives” you mean Russians (and/or possibly Chinese), correct?
Only half tongue in cheek there.
Only half tongue in cheek there.
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The oligarchs R us corporate candidate...
The call included several billionaire investors and corporate executives, among them Louis Bacon, chief executive of Moore Capital Management; Kenneth D. Tuchman, founder of global outsourcing company TeleTech; and Howard Marks, the head of Oaktree Capital, one of the largest private equity firms in the country. The Zoom participant log included a dial-in from Tudor Investment Corporation, the hedge fund founded by billionaire Paul Tudor Jones. Also present was a roster of heavy-hitting political influencers, including Republican consultant Ron Christie and Lieberman, who serves as a representative of No Labels and now advises corporate interests.
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
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So not the plumber?Grifman wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 3:00 pm What a disaster this would be:
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Who knows anymore. Our esteemed elite have made it impossible to see who is donating money so it could be anyone.Carpet_pissr wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 3:33 pm By “GOP aligned operatives” you mean Russians (and/or possibly Chinese), correct?
Only half tongue in cheek there.
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Clarence Thomas's vacation buddy Harlan Crow is a big funder of "No Labels." So, yeah.malchior wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 3:04 pm So 'No Label' is being funded by GOP aligned operatives, right? Anyone who thinks Biden isn't a centrist doesn't have their head on straight. FWIW this is what I've always worried about when I talked about how difficult it was for anyone to maintain a winning coalition that doesn't have any of the red states in it. The temptation to forge one built in fantasy is very strong. The 'radical centrists' really think there is a real appetite for this. They could very well hand us over to the darkness and/or hasten a hot civil war.
Much prefer my Nazis Nuremberged.
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Also, there's no chance in hell that Manchin can win CA (hell, I expect he would lose West Virginia!), so this is just to eff Biden up in the swing states.Holman wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 5:54 pmClarence Thomas's vacation buddy Harlan Crow is a big funder of "No Labels." So, yeah.malchior wrote: Fri May 19, 2023 3:04 pm So 'No Label' is being funded by GOP aligned operatives, right? Anyone who thinks Biden isn't a centrist doesn't have their head on straight. FWIW this is what I've always worried about when I talked about how difficult it was for anyone to maintain a winning coalition that doesn't have any of the red states in it. The temptation to forge one built in fantasy is very strong. The 'radical centrists' really think there is a real appetite for this. They could very well hand us over to the darkness and/or hasten a hot civil war.
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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All the Republicans need is an “independent” that can take 5-10% off the Democrats in the way Perot took 18% of Bush Snr which undoubtedly carried the 1992 election to Clinton.
A conservative Democrat like Joe Manchin might take votes from the republicans as well. They need a Ross Perot not a Jesse Ventura.
They need someone like Tricia Cotham who pretends to be a centrist and then switches to hard right on a dime after the election.

A conservative Democrat like Joe Manchin might take votes from the republicans as well. They need a Ross Perot not a Jesse Ventura.
They need someone like Tricia Cotham who pretends to be a centrist and then switches to hard right on a dime after the election.


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I was expecting the black sheep Kennedy, before I remembered that he's a Robert.
I agree that Manchin might draw votes from both parties more or less equally. Ideologically, he's a moderate R, to the extent that ideology drives him at all. Sinema would be a bigger threat to Dems, IMO.waitingtoconnect wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:33 pm A conservative Democrat like Joe Manchin might take votes from the republicans as well. They need a Ross Perot not a Jesse Ventura.
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Exit polling shows that Perot voters would have voted roughly evenly between Bush Sr and Clinton if Perot hadn't run, so it is doubtful Bush would have won. 2000 is a far clearer example of a third party candidate costing an election.waitingtoconnect wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:33 pm All the Republicans need is an “independent” that can take 5-10% off the Democrats in the way Perot took 18% of Bush Snr which undoubtedly carried the 1992 election to Clinton.
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Pretty sure you mean 1992, unless you mistyped and completely mischatcterized Ralph Nader's impact in 2000.Defiant wrote:Exit polling shows that Perot voters would have voted roughly evenly between Bush Sr and Clinton if Perot hadn't run, so it is doubtful Bush would have won. 2000 is a far clearer example of a third party candidate costing an election.waitingtoconnect wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:33 pm All the Republicans need is an “independent” that can take 5-10% off the Democrats in the way Perot took 18% of Bush Snr which undoubtedly carried the 1992 election to Clinton.
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Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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No, I didn't mistype - Nader in 2000 is a clearer example of a third party candidate costing an election. 1992 was not, per the exit polling.Pyperkub wrote: Sun May 21, 2023 3:55 pmPretty sure you mean 1992, unless you mistyped and completely mischatcterized Ralph Nader's impact in 2000.Defiant wrote:Exit polling shows that Perot voters would have voted roughly evenly between Bush Sr and Clinton if Perot hadn't run, so it is doubtful Bush would have won. 2000 is a far clearer example of a third party candidate costing an election.waitingtoconnect wrote: Sat May 20, 2023 6:33 pm All the Republicans need is an “independent” that can take 5-10% off the Democrats in the way Perot took 18% of Bush Snr which undoubtedly carried the 1992 election to Clinton.
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Bush Jr won Florida by 537 votes. Nader won 97,488 votes in Florida. While there's no polling to back it up, I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that had Nader not run, Gore would have gotten at least 0.5% more of Nader's votes than Bush would have and would have won Florida, the electoral college and the presidency.
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Is this our dedicated Manchin thread?
Note:West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin, who has spent his entire decadeslong political career as a Democrat, said Friday he is leaving the party and registering as an independent, raising speculation about whether he may run for another Senate term or for governor this fall.
“To stay true to myself and remain committed to put country before party, I have decided to register as an independent with no party affiliation and continue to fight for America’s sensible majority,” Manchin said in a statement.
Earlier this month, current Gov. Jim Justice, backed by Trump, won the Republican nomination for Senate and had been favored to succeed Manchin in the fall. But Manchin’s surprise move could scramble that race if he decides to run for re-election as an independent.
A more likely scenario is that Manchin seeks his old job as governor — a potential race that would pit him in a rematch with the GOP nominee, Morrisey, as well as against the Democratic nominee, Huntington Mayor Steve Williams.
Maybe next year, maybe no go
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Well, without knowing anything about the actual WV individuals involved, I suspect that Manchin is less-bad than they are. I wonder if he'll start spouting MAGAt nonsense if he runs as independent or stick with the "sensible majority" that I hope actually exists.