Too soon to start thinking about 2024?

[Carpet_pissr]

Haven't seen the ad, which is odd because Biden puts on a lot of ads here. Though, I got so frustrated with CNBC that I hardly watch TV anymore. Once I turned them off, they took the rest of TV with them and non streaming TV has pretty much been non existent, as has all my news sourcing, placing me squarely in the OO echo chamber for my news.

Dude. There are channels other than CNBC. You have to get past that they turned into garbage, bro...move on!

[hepcat]

Don't mess with the delicate ecosystem that is LM!

[LordMortis]

Don't mess with the delicate ecosystem that is LM!

Truth. You are joking but it is so much truth. Change R hard.

But moving on from CNBC is more or less the process I am in. Of course, I'm moving in to nothing at the moment; as I haven't a found a source that I like that delivers in a way I want. Moving on from CNBC is seeing me moving away from linear TV entirely. If my Internet company were actually making me pay for the cable I cancelled over a year ago, I'd be cancelling right now.

[Alefroth]

Apparently Trump is furious about Biden's ads that remind us all that Trump called veterans "losers" and "suckers". Numerous all cap retorts on DisTruth Social and repeated rants in his rally speeches has me thinking that Biden is on the right track here.

He's actually denying he made the suckers and losers comments, even though reported by The Atlantic and corroborated by John Kelly. He said only a psychopath or someone very stupid would make those comments.

[hepcat]

So he confessed he said it, I guess.

[Blackhawk]

Apparently Trump is furious about Biden's ads that remind us all that Trump called veterans "losers" and "suckers". Numerous all cap retorts on DisTruth Social and repeated rants in his rally speeches has me thinking that Biden is on the right track here.

I always thought it was the ultimate stretch of reality when, in video games, enemy weakspots would glow so you knew where to aim.

Trump has just shown that this happens in real life, too.

[Unagi]

Apparently Trump is furious about Biden's ads that remind us all that Trump called veterans "losers" and "suckers". Numerous all cap retorts on DisTruth Social and repeated rants in his rally speeches has me thinking that Biden is on the right track here.

I always thought it was the ultimate stretch of reality when, in video games, enemy weakspots would glow so you knew where to aim.

Trump has just shown that this happens in real life, too.

Now let's hope that we are not shown that the Stormtrooper's ridiculously poor accuracy when given multiple shots at an obvious target isn't shown to also happen in real life.

[YellowKing]

Like most bullies, they can't stand when the tables are turned.

[Blackhawk]

Absolutely. He has been communicating, as loudly as possible, when the hits are scoring. Hopefully the Democrats have enough sense to take advantage of that and quintuple down and the kind of ad that set him off. The more unhinged and off balance he is, the better. And if he should suffer a stroke from it, well...

[LordMortis]

Saw a "Fuck Trump" flag in the wild today. Never thought I'd see it, and while I feel it, boy do I feel it, I don't approve.

[Punisher]

Apparently Trump is furious about Biden's ads that remind us all that Trump called veterans "losers" and "suckers". Numerous all cap retorts on DisTruth Social and repeated rants in his rally speeches has me thinking that Biden is on the right track here.

He's actually denying he made the suckers and losers comments, even though reported by The Atlantic and corroborated by John Kelly. He said only a psychopath or someone very stupid would make those comments.

I thought that there was video of it?

[Holman]

Apparently Trump is furious about Biden's ads that remind us all that Trump called veterans "losers" and "suckers". Numerous all cap retorts on DisTruth Social and repeated rants in his rally speeches has me thinking that Biden is on the right track here.

He's actually denying he made the suckers and losers comments, even though reported by The Atlantic and corroborated by John Kelly. He said only a psychopath or someone very stupid would make those comments.

I thought that there was video of it?

I don't think there was video, but Kelly is much more reliable than Trump.

[El Guapo]

Apparently Trump is furious about Biden's ads that remind us all that Trump called veterans "losers" and "suckers". Numerous all cap retorts on DisTruth Social and repeated rants in his rally speeches has me thinking that Biden is on the right track here.

He's actually denying he made the suckers and losers comments, even though reported by The Atlantic and corroborated by John Kelly. He said only a psychopath or someone very stupid would make those comments.

I thought that there was video of it?

I don't think there was video, but Kelly is much more reliable than Trump.

There is of course video of Trump saying in a speech that John McCain was a loser because he was captured (forget the exact words he used, but that was what he was saying). That also gives additional credence to the "suckers" and "losers" comments about veterans.

[LordMortis]

There is of course video of Trump saying in a speech that John McCain was a loser because he was captured (forget the exact words he used, but that was what he was saying). That also gives additional credence to the "suckers" and "losers" comments about veterans.

Close. memories can be tricky.

[Carpet_pissr]

Gah, even slightly defending Trump pisses me off mightily, BUT... I kinda get what he (poorly) tried to say. He shouldn't have said it at all, to be clear, IMO, but he's suggesting that we shouldn't automatically consider anyone that gets captured a hero. A victim, maybe? Dunno.
And this is without me (and likely Trump) not knowing if McCain actually did heroic things, etc (either while captured, or in battle). If he did, then I have no problem with the moniker.

The things he supposedly said at the cemetary about fallen soldiers was in a different league, however, and I denounce those comments (if true) wholeheartedly. Disgusting.

[Punisher]

So we have a Trump Mandela affect going on here it seems.

[LordMortis]

I don't think of it as defending him. I think of it as preserving accuracy precisely so there is no defense of what TFG meant. I am someone who is prone to exaggerate and use hyperbole so I try to guard against what I guess is my nature. McCain served when called and that gives him respect and the benefit of the doubt. To attack him for being captured is deserving of scorn.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCa ... assignment

snip

McCain requested a combat assignment,[30] and was assigned to the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal flying A-4 Skyhawks.[31] His combat duty began when he was 30 years old in mid-1967, when Forrestal was assigned to a bombing campaign, Operation Rolling Thunder, during the Vietnam War.[25][32] Stationed in the Gulf of Tonkin, McCain and his fellow pilots became frustrated by micromanagement from Washington, and he later wrote, "In all candor, we thought our civilian commanders were complete idiots who didn't have the least notion of what it took to win the war."[32][33]

On July 29, 1967, McCain was a lieutenant commander when he was near the center of the USS Forrestal fire. He escaped from his burning jet and was trying to help another pilot escape when a bomb exploded;[34] McCain was struck in the legs and chest by fragments.[35] The ensuing fire killed 134 sailors and took 24 hours to control.[36][37] With the Forrestal out of commission, McCain volunteered for assignment with the USS Oriskany, another aircraft carrier employed in Operation Rolling Thunder.[38] There, he was awarded the Navy Commendation Medal and the Bronze Star Medal for missions flown over North Vietnam.[39]
Prisoner of war

McCain was taken prisoner of war on October 26, 1967. He was flying his 23rd bombing mission over North Vietnam when his A-4E Skyhawk was shot down by a missile over Hanoi.[40][41] McCain fractured both arms and a leg when he ejected from the aircraft,[42] and nearly drowned after he parachuted into Trúc Bạch Lake. Some North Vietnamese pulled him ashore, then others crushed his shoulder with a rifle butt and bayoneted him.[40] McCain was then transported to Hanoi's main Hỏa Lò Prison, nicknamed the "Hanoi Hilton".[41]

Although McCain was seriously wounded and injured, his captors refused to treat him. They beat and interrogated him to get information, and he was given medical care only when the North Vietnamese discovered that his father was an admiral.[43] His status as a prisoner of war (POW) made the front pages of major American newspapers.[44][45]

McCain spent six weeks in the hospital, where he received marginal care. He had lost 50 pounds (23 kg), he was in a chest cast, and his gray hair had turned white.[40] McCain was sent to a different camp on the outskirts of Hanoi.[46] In December 1967, McCain was placed in a cell with two other Americans, who did not expect him to live more than a week.[47] In March 1968, McCain was placed into solitary confinement, where he remained for two years.[48]

[Isgrimnur]

Given that he was the son and grandson of admirals, he could have easily ridden out the war as a staff officer.

[Alefroth]

but he's suggesting that we shouldn't automatically consider anyone that gets captured a hero.

No he's not, he's suggesting McCain was only a hero because he was captured.

Whether being captured (and surviving a POW camp for two years) makes someone a hero or not, he's clearly shitting on POWs by saying he likes people who aren't captured.

[Carpet_pissr]

but he's suggesting that we shouldn't automatically consider anyone that gets captured a hero.

No he's not, he's suggesting McCain was only a hero because he was captured.

Whether being captured (and surviving a POW camp for two years) makes someone a hero or not, he's clearly shitting on POWs by saying he likes people who aren't captured.

I'll agree that the "I like people who don't get captured" is an extremely shitty and ill-informed thing to say, so of course he said it.

[YellowKing]

It's particularly galling coming from someone who never served a day in the military in his life. It would be one thing coming from a fellow POW, or at the very least someone who saw combat. Coming from him it just adds an entirely new layer of insult to injury.

[Holman]

It's particularly galling coming from someone who never served a day in the military in his life. It would be one thing coming from a fellow POW, or at the very least someone who saw combat. Coming from him it just adds an entirely new layer of insult to injury.

Hey, now. He was the best athlete anyone had ever seen at the private military academy his parents shipped off to! And he would *easily* have won the Medal of Honor in Vietnam if it weren't for those darn bone spurs!

Many generals, generals with tears in their eyes, have come up to him and told him this.

[Alefroth]

Pretty sure he would have been fragged.

[Unagi]

Many generals, generals with tears in their eyes, have come up to him and told him this.

They were big strong guys, too.

[Grifman]

It’s really insane what Americans believe about the economy:

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/some-ame ... 95hHMKXbXg

And it may put Trump back in office.

[YellowKing]

I think the underlying factor is really simple - prices have gone up everywhere, especially food. And most people have a very shallow view of "the economy." To them economy is "prices up bad, prices down good," and despite everything else, "prices up bad" is the inescapable truth in front of everyone's eyes.

You add in the difficulty of buying a house or a car these days, and I get the perception. The average lower-to-middle class person out there doesn't have a stock portfolio to see their investments going up, but they can damn sure tell you that a box of cereal that used to be $3.50 is now $6.00.

[Zarathud]

And they’re seeing businesses fail that were kept open by pandemic funds. It took good management to restart your business after COVID, and a lot of businesses just aren’t well run — like Red Lobster.

[LordMortis]

Agreed. It's mind blowing to me. Wages have outstripped inflation and so have active and passive investing returns, generally speaking and have out paced the COVID spike. For the first time in 15 years, you are even getting returns on savings that are outpacing inflation. So while your dollar is worth less than it ever has, most everyone is getting enough more of them that they are doing historically well and are either saving/investing more or getting more stuff. But they still point to grocery and energy inflation as the good old days. I mean they aren't great and we're never going back but we got through this worst crisis of my lifetime and somehow now we're stronger. And for the first time I can think of, I can lay a chunk of that directly at the President's feet.

The people who are screwed are fixed income people who for any reason have locked in to a specific budget and cant' get any counteraction to the CoL increases. That's mainly annuities and welfare and people trying to live off of savings only.

And you know who's reinforcing things are so bad? Billionaires and CEOs making record profits and record paychecks. Billionaires who want less tax collection less tax collectors looking at them and protections against wage increases. Billionaires building populist support for tempest in teapot causes and are now sending 100's of millions of dollars in to TFGs campaign a month. The news I am exposed to (which I have limited greatly and has a conservative lean) sneaks this in every day and as if it's a good thing.

Those who tell you about the year we had 9% inflation are neglecting to mention that most of them have been seeing higher wages

https://www.epi.org/nominal-wage-tracker/

Edit to add, I am one of those people living mostly off savings with limited returns and I am technically worse off, but I still feel kinda thankful in that it's not a whole lot worse and prospects are good to not get worse. Of course, I am good at finding ways of living within my means, am not raising a family, don't tend to want for more, and built a rainy day kitty when I was working.

[Isgrimnur]

[Kraken]

And you know who's reinforcing things are so bad? Billionaires and CEOs making record profits and record paychecks. Billionaires who want less tax collection less tax collectors looking at them and protections against wage increases. Billionaires building populist support for tempest in teapot causes and are now sending 100's of millions of dollars in to TFGs campaign a month. The news I am exposed to (which I have limited greatly and has a conservative lean) sneaks this in every day and as if it's a good thing.

They absolutely hate Biden's tax-the-rich philosophy and will spend as much as it takes to buy the presidency for TFG.

[Grifman]

And they’re seeing businesses fail that were kept open by pandemic funds. It took good management to restart your business after COVID, and a lot of businesses just aren’t well run — like Red Lobster.

And yet umemployment has fallen spectacularly, so can it really have been that many? I haven't really noticed it all that much in my city. Restaurants are always closing and opening (one of the biggest impacts of covid) and I just don't see what you say.

[disarm]

Many long-lived businesses are failing not because of a bad economy, but because of investors forcing them to failure in order to make money through leveraged buyouts, shorts sales or other legal-but-ethically-bankrupt means.

Red Lobster was not a failing business until it fell under new ownership that sold the property the buildings sit on to pay their investors, saddled the restaurants with paying rent on top of the costs of running the restaurant, and mismanaged the company as a whole until they qualified for bankruptcy so all the shady dealings and acquired debt can be made to go away. This is the same thing that has happened to countless businesses in recent years...ToysRUs, Sears, Radio Shack, Payless Shoes, KB Toys. Investors have tried to do it to GameStop but got caught in the act and took major losses when the "common folk" jumped in to ruin their short sale plans.

Private equity groups are stealing everything that companies have, driving them to failure and blaming it all on a so-called "bad economy."

[LordMortis]

Every channel is nothing but talking about what they think the debates will be like tonight. blech Bad takes on modern Loony Tunes in the background it is.

[hepcat]

Private equity groups are stealing everything that companies have, driving them to failure and blaming it all on a so-called "bad economy."

I’ve heard this refrain enough to believe it to be true.

[Blackhawk]

[Daehawk]

Saw the news interviewing old white women voters in Mississippi and they were saying stuff like ya I'll vote for Trump he is the only president that did anything for us and this country.

Wtf did he do for anyone but himself???? I can't think of one damn thing he did for anyone but himself other than praise and bow to communist dictators. What the hell was that woman referring to??

[hepcat]

well, at least one newspaper wants someone other than Biden to drop out.

At the core of the outlet’s position are the lies—over 30,000 while in office, at least 30 during Thursday’s debate alone—Trump has told. The debate was “a reminder of what another four years of Trump would look like. More lies, grievance, narcissism, and hate.”

Trump’s first term in office was notable for several reasons, the board continued, including the hours he spent devoted to Twitter and the time he spent at properties he owns, apparently playing over 200 games of golf. He also made a lot of promises that he failed to keep, including his border wall with Mexico.

“Trump stacked the judiciary with extreme judges consisting mainly of white males, including a number who the American Bar Association rated as not qualified. A record number of cabinet officials were fired or left the office. The West Wing was in constant chaos and infighting,” the board wrote.

Among other lows from Trump’s time in office: the $2 billion deal his son-in-law struck with Saudi Arabia’s government, his own impeachments, and his failed management of the COVID-19 pandemic. More recently, he was convicted on 34 counts of fraud in New York, and still faces 3 additional federal cases (including one about his role in the attempted overthrow of the very government he ostensibly wants to head).

With all this in mind, the board asks: why was he even allowed on the debate stage in the first place?

President Biden might not have performed as well as many had hoped he would in Thursday’s debate, the editorial team concluded, but “Biden believes in the best of America. He has rebuilt relationships with allies around the world and stood up to foes like Russia and China. There was only one person at the debate who does not deserve to be running for president. The sooner Trump exits the stage, the better off the country will be.”

[Daehawk]

Damn straight.

[WYBaugh]

https://imgur.com/gallery/oklahoma-cont ... te-d7tWr3R

OK State Superintendent of Education warns teachers must teach the Bible or lose their license. He’s also mandating all classrooms have a Bible. He’s confident that the Supreme Court will ultimately uphold his decision because of Trump’s appointed judges.

[hepcat]

We need an Amish politician so they can demand an end to the ungodly sin of divorce, premarital hand holding and combustion engines.