Immigration Policy

[hepcat]

It just struck me: they already have the stupid berets. It's only a slight alteration of their costumes to get to where they should be

Spoiler:

[Blackhawk]

On the other hand, if the ratings were good none of that matters.

J/k of course, but absolutely terrifying that (1) it happened and (2) it was aired as a perfectly reasonable way to address what the GA perceive as problematic.

It happened, but the terrifying aspect is that we saw it happen. And if you see it happen once, you don't see it happen thousands of other times.

[Isgrimnur]

On the other hand, if the ratings were good none of that matters.

J/k of course, but absolutely terrifying that (1) it happened and (2) it was aired as a perfectly reasonable way to address what the GA perceive as problematic.

It happened, but the terrifying aspect is that we saw it happen. And if you see it happen once, you don't see it happen thousands of other times.

Something something Rodney King

[Blackhawk]

That video was in my mind when I wrote that as well.

[Victoria Raverna]

Not sure if this is the right place to post it but I guess it has something to do with immigration:

Florida man discovers he's not legally in US 64 years after moving to America.

[Zarathud]

It’s almost like VR is intentionally and regularly posting drive by videos on the most incendiary US political issues.

[Victoria Raverna]

The evil youtube algorithm promoted that video to my youtube main page and I watched it and thought it might be interesting to share here. Is that not a good thing to do? To post something that is related to the topic?

[Unagi]

It’s almost like VR is intentionally and regularly posting drive by videos on the most incendiary US political issues.

This is the pattern I see too.

It's most annoying when VR is "on your side" of the argument but just repeatedly drives over the horse and grinds it into the road until the carcass is just a grease spot.

[Victoria Raverna]

I'm seriously confused why any of you have problem with me posting a local news about a Florida man's citizenship problem.

What did I do wrong with posting that? Was it because it is a video?

Now how about I post a link to article about that and quoted it:

https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/stat ... re-legally

Klass was born in Canada, his mom was Canadian, but his father was American, born and raised in New York. Klass said his family moved to the U.S. when he was two and stayed here. As Klass got older, he assumed he, too, was an American, a dual citizen.

He laid out dozens of documents from his past, along with other documents and pictures that offer a glimpse into the deep roots he formed in the U.S. over his lifetime.

“You know you're old when the old driver's licenses were paper,” he chuckled as he showed us old driver's licenses he had been issued in the U.S.

Klass said he was never questioned about his citizenship status - not when he got his Social Security card, Driver’s license, or voter registration card.

“I’ve been voting for over 40 years. I guess I’m in a lot of trouble,” he said with a sarcastic laugh.

By voting as a non-U.S citizen, Klass broke federal law each time he voted in an American election.

Klass said his citizenship status was also never questioned when he applied for and was approved to serve as a Marine for the U.S. military (he didn’t end up serving due to getting a union job, he said). At one point in his life, he was even approved to work for the New Jersey State Police.

“The only thing they asked me for was my social security card and my driver's license,” he said.

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After learning he wasn’t really a U.S. citizen, Klass formally applied for status but was denied.

U.S. Customs & Immigration Services wouldn’t share details when we contacted them about Klass’ case. In an email, a spokesperson stated that they don’t talk about individual cases.

But in a 2022 denial letter, the agency stated Klass didn’t provide enough evidence to prove his father lived in the U.S. for 10 years before Klass was born, which is a requirement for a child seeking citizenship through a parent.

Klass contacted Senator Marco Rubio’s office for help and hired an immigration attorney and even a genealogist who found records linking Klass’ dad to the U.S. in the years before he was born. Still, his fight continues to this day.

“I’ve seen a handful of cases like this; they don't come around every day,” explained Indera Demine, a Fort Myers-based immigration attorney.

She said Klass’ case is likely a reflection of a large, complicated, and changing U.S. immigration system that can’t always accurately track who’s here legally, illegally, or somewhere in between.

“For many years, the DMV and different agencies didn't necessarily communicate with each other,” she said, adding that “the documentation that you need to renew your driver's license or for Social Security benefits were not as stringent as they are now.”

When asked how Klass was able to get a Social Security card, Demine responded, “That's a good question. It's quite possible that back then, the requirements to have a Social Security card are not the same as it is today."

“I worked my 50 years, and I paid into my Social Security. They should be paying me,” he said about the retirement benefits he was expecting to receive but has yet to collect.

When asked what happens if his case doesn't get resolved and how it’s changed his view of America, Klass said, “I’ll probably move back to Canada. Yep, bye-bye, America.”

[Zarathud]

It’s almost like VR is intentionally and regularly posting drive by videos on the most incendiary US political issues.

This is the pattern I see too.

It's most annoying when VR is "on your side" of the argument but just repeatedly drives over the horse and grinds it into the road until the carcass is just a grease spot.

It’s like one of those AI hallucinations where the program doesn’t understand that it’s not the content that’s the problem, it’s the delivery and credibility of how things are presented.

By the way, I’m in full support of rhetorically beating a deceased equine. It entertains me.

[Victoria Raverna]

It’s almost like VR is intentionally and regularly posting drive by videos on the most incendiary US political issues.

This is the pattern I see too.

It's most annoying when VR is "on your side" of the argument but just repeatedly drives over the horse and grinds it into the road until the carcass is just a grease spot.

It’s like one of those AI hallucinations where the program doesn’t understand that it’s not the content that’s the problem, it’s the delivery and credibility of how things are presented.

By the way, I’m in full support of rhetorically beating a deceased equine. It entertains me.

I seriously confused about that. I posted a link to a video from a news site or an article from a news site. Are you having problem with the credibility of those news sites? Is there something that I don't know about those news sites?

Or your problem is that I'm the one that posted it? If so why not just ignore me?

[Unagi]

It’s almost like VR is intentionally and regularly posting drive by videos on the most incendiary US political issues.

This is the pattern I see too.

It's most annoying when VR is "on your side" of the argument but just repeatedly drives over the horse and grinds it into the road until the carcass is just a grease spot.

It’s like one of those AI hallucinations where the program doesn’t understand that it’s not the content that’s the problem, it’s the delivery and credibility of how things are presented.

By the way, I’m in full support of rhetorically beating a deceased equine. It entertains me.

Oh me too, but I wanna beat the horse, not a grease spot.

[Isgrimnur]

Biden announces new policy shielding undocumented spouses of U.S. citizens from deportation

The Biden administration is taking executive action to protect undocumented spouses of American citizens — a move that would shield about 500,000 immigrants from deportation.

The White House announced the election-year policy Tuesday, framing it as “new action to keep families together.” NBC News reported that an executive action protecting the spouses was likely to be announced soon, after urging from immigration advocates and Democratic lawmakers and as President Joe Biden courts Latino voters in crucial battleground states.

Lawmakers have been briefed on the plan and at least some have been invited to the White House for the announcement, sources said.

[Kraken]

Good move from a humanitarian standpoint. Politically? Not so sure. I imagine it's primarily meant to shore up support among Latinos who're drifting away.

[Isgrimnur]

And only guaranteed for the next seven months.

[hepcat]

My 76 year old mother, who usually avoids political ranting on such things, went off on a tirade on the phone yesterday because of some news story about tuberculosis breaking out at some hotel where migrants were being housed in California. It was "this damn president" this and "this idiot president" that for about 2 straight minutes. I argued back for a few seconds, but realized it wasn't worth it and that she's been turned to the dark side by conservative radio/tv/news.

[YellowKing]

If you're mad about something because someone told you to be mad about something, and not because you have skin in the game, then congratulations, you're being manipulated.

[em2nought]

news story about tuberculosis breaking out at some hotel where migrants were being housed in California.

Surely any TB found in the US is from a wet market bat, not from the millions and millions of illegal aliens that Biden has welcomed into the USA? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... er-crisis/

https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/04/04 ... 0impacted.

[Kraken]

I hadn't realized Biden was greeting them with Welcome Wagon baskets.

The job market keeps growing by 200k per month and we aren't whelping nearly enough new Americans to keep up. We need lots and lots of legal immigration, and that's Congress's job.

[LordMortis]

As someone who caught TB in 2023 while still largely in isolation, I must damned those illegal Canadians!!!!

The job market keeps growing by 200k per month and we aren't whelping nearly enough new Americans to keep up. We need lots and lots of legal immigration, and that's Congress's job.

Dad keeps complaining about inflation, no one working his menial service jobs, and illegal immigration. He says no one wants to work (which is a premise I can actually engage/accept) but won't accept that these jobs would be supplemented by immigration. End of conversation. No more engagement. We've got it down to about a 30 second bitch that is off the table every time he wants to complain about Biden and democrats. Generally speaking, if they want to engage I let them know I won't consider any GOP politician as viable for any reason until McConnell's proudest moment is undone. End of line. It doesn't quite make me a single issue voter but it makes me a single issue not voting for.

[hepcat]

news story about tuberculosis breaking out at some hotel where migrants were being housed in California.

Surely any TB found in the US is from a wet market bat, not from the millions and millions of illegal aliens that Biden has welcomed into the USA? https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/poli ... er-crisis/

https://blockclubchicago.org/2024/04/04 ... 0impacted.

That’s as funny as all that election fraud evidence.

[LordMortis]

My ID doctor said homeless shelters are where TB finds its home and then spreads from there. I had no such exposure to anything remotely like that, being mostly in isolation and mostly a mask wearer at the time. Doc said it was unlikely, but the one place I was around people for extended times was at PT, wherein I was often the only masked patron and both myself and many another patient were breathing hard during our efforts. Aside from that it would have been my 3 day stay in the hospital for a broken arm surgery and recovery/monitoring. (no TB outbreaks were reported from there) I don't know of anywhere I else I'd have contracted it except maybe at an in and out masked grocery shop? That seems even less likely to me.

Oddly enough, since being treated, the only place I now mask is in medical environments. COVID or no, that might become a lifetime thing for me. When I get bad sick, it always seems to coincide with medical treatment. Flus, Pertussis, TB... (Cold always came from coworkers)

I'm a meaningful part of a statistic.

https://www.michigan.gov/mdhhs/-/media/ ... ummary.pdf

[Isgrimnur]

You’ve always been a meaningful statistic to us, LM.

[Kraken]

The job market keeps growing by 200k per month and we aren't whelping nearly enough new Americans to keep up. We need lots and lots of legal immigration, and that's Congress's job.

Dad keeps complaining about inflation, no one working his menial service jobs, and illegal immigration. He says no one wants to work (which is a premise I can actually engage/accept) but won't accept that these jobs would be supplemented by immigration. End of conversation. No more engagement. We've got it down to about a 30 second bitch that is off the table every time he wants to complain about Biden and democrats. Generally speaking, if they want to engage I let them know I won't consider any GOP politician as viable for any reason until McConnell's proudest moment is undone. End of line. It doesn't quite make me a single issue voter but it makes me a single issue not voting for.

If he's that brainwashed then there isn't much point to engaging. If you can get through, state two facts and ask a question: 1. the economy has been adding about 200k jobs per month for most of Biden's presidency; 2. the US birthrate is negative and still falling; Q. Where are all those workers coming from? Make him work it out for himself.

[stessier]

2. the US birthrate is negative and still falling;

It's declining and still falling. I'm not sure what a negative birthrate would look like - I'd imagine it would be far more unpleasant for the mothers though.

Edit: Your phrasing was correct. My bad.

Edit 2: Still, your link only says it is declining, not negative. This link suggests it is and has been positive for at least the last 5 years.

[Kraken]

2. the US birthrate is negative and still falling;

It's declining and still falling. I'm not sure what a negative birthrate would look like - I'd imagine it would be far more unpleasant for the mothers though.

Edit: Your phrasing was correct. My bad.

Edit 2: Still, your link only says it is declining, not negative. This link suggests it is and has been positive for at least the last 5 years.

Interesting link. These population/fertility rate numbers are slipperier than I had thought; this site says The current fertility rate for U.S. in 2024 is 1.786 births per woman, a 0.11% increase from 2023, and has in fact increased slightly for the past four years. However, that's still way below the replacement rate of 2.1, and it contradicts the first link I posted showing "U.S. Fertility Rate Drops to Another Historic Low." The hard numbers are softer than I'd like, but the point remains that the US birthrate is too low to fill the growth in job openings.

[waitingtoconnect]

Yes but the far right position is that if you force women back into the home and stop them working, ban abortion and contraception then that will increase and you can stop immigration. If you look at far right commentators they are pushing this hard right now. Or in other ways like the Tradwife trend.

(Note this is not what I think but anyone jumping on any part of the bandwagon of maga needs to understand they are buying the whole wagon when they jump on.)

[waitingtoconnect]

I hadn't realized Biden was greeting them with Welcome Wagon baskets.

The job market keeps growing by 200k per month and we aren't whelping nearly enough new Americans to keep up. We need lots and lots of legal immigration, and that's Congress's job.

It’s trumps job and they do whatever he tells them?

[Kraken]

Yes but the far right position is that if you force women back into the home and stop them working, ban abortion and contraception then that will increase and you can stop immigration. If you look at far right commentators they are pushing this hard right now. Or in other ways like the Tradwife trend.

(Note this is not what I think but anyone jumping on any part of the bandwagon of maga needs to understand they are buying the whole wagon when they jump on.)

More than 171,000 people traveled out-of-state for abortions last year.

- More than one million clinician-provided abortions took place in states without a total ban in 2023 — the first full year after Roe v. Wade was overturned. That's the highest number in more than a decade.

- Out-of-state travel for abortions, including for the procedure or to obtain abortion pills, more than doubled from 2020 to 2023.

- People driving the longest distances to get an abortion are more likely to come from congressional districts with lower incomes and more diverse populations, according to data analysis by the left-leaning Center for American Progress.

That number will increase this year due to more states enacting more restrictions (esp. FL, which last year was the #1 destination for southern women). A different source that I can't find now said that there were 43,000 "excess births" to women who wanted to abort but were unable to travel. Most of those babies, needless to say, were born into poverty. And to keep this on topic, 43k is hardly enough to dent the need for immigrant labor. (Sorry I can't find the source for that part.)

[waitingtoconnect]

Exactly women are voting with their feet. There is a reason why the majority of women reject maga.

[Victoria Raverna]

If women stop working, US is going to lost over 40% of the workforce so instead of only have to import immigrants to fill about 200K per month, US is going to need to import over 70 million workers.

[waitingtoconnect]

You’re relying on common sense applying VR. Most maga I’ve met wouldn’t know common sense if it walked up and shook their hand.

But anyone with daughters on this board needs to be afraid that their kids won’t get the same rights the mothers of those daughters got.

If polls go the way there are now the majority of voters are going to vote for bat dropping crazy.

[em2nought]

But anyone with daughters on this board needs to be afraid that their kids won’t get the same rights the mothers of those daughters got.

This twelve year old Texas girl doesn't need to worry about rights anymore.

[YellowKing]

Neither will the 20 kids killed in Sandy Hook, or the 19 at Uvalde. Nor the 3600 other children killed every year, helped along by gun policies you apparently support. Please, let's start comparing statistics.

[em2nought]

helped along by gun policies you apparently support.

Not that it belongs in this thread, but I only support gun rights for Republicans & Libertarians. There would be far far fewer gun fatalities.

[hepcat]

What are you talking about? Those are the groups that want to shoot kids more than anything else.

Side note: Fox News has literally become nothing but news about immigrants committing crimes. I mean, it's like nothing else exists in the world for them. Another Republican or Libertarian shoots up a school? Is he an immigrant? No? Then it's not fit for Fox News!

[YellowKing]

You'd think if immigration was such a problem, they'd vote on a bipartisan bill to fix it.

They only care about power, and they're constantly using "for the children" as their reasoning even though they've proven time and time again they care nothing about children through the policies they support. It's disgusting and reprehensible.

[Smoove_B]

Who's this progressive that wants to give immigrants green cards if they graduate from college?

That's...really at odds with just about everything else he's ever said.

“He believes, only after such vetting has taken place, we ought to keep the most skilled graduates who can make significant contributions to America. This would only apply to the most thoroughly vetted college graduates who would never undercut American wages or workers,” Leavitt said in a statement to CNN.

[hepcat]

I wonder if he'll back off it if he hears boos at rallies in the coming day? Or will he double down?

[em2nought]

I wonder if he'll back off it if he hears boos at rallies in the coming day? Or will he double down?

He'll quantify it to graduates from universities that don't support the extermination of Jews.