[Disney+] The Acolyte

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Jul 17, 2024 9:31 pm

I like Boba Fett too. That’s why I hate what they did with him.

JCC · Post by **JCC** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:54 am

As someone who saw all the Star Wars movies (except the original which I saw on HBO) in the theater, I have never understood the fans' obsession with and how precious they are about Boba Fett who is barely in Empire and gets quickly and comically dispatched in Return of the Jedi. His show turned him into a much more interesting character than the few scarce minutes he appears in the 2 movies.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 10:18 am

Even without an unexplainable fan base, the story was mediocre at best, the characters were ridiculously written and the conclusion was a Hallmark Greeting Card come to life...and not in a good way. It symbolized why folks don't expect much from Star Wars shows. Replacing Boba Fett with any other character in Star Wars would still result in the same thing: a really poor show.

Obviously this is just my opinion, however. We've all sounded off on things we like and we've piped up when we don't like something. This is me just being the latter this time.

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 12:23 pm

JCC wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 9:54 am As someone who saw all the Star Wars movies (except the original which I saw on HBO) in the theater, I have never understood the fans' obsession with and how precious they are about Boba Fett who is barely in Empire and gets quickly and comically dispatched in Return of the Jedi. His show turned him into a much more interesting character than the few scarce minutes he appears in the 2 movies.

For me, it was the uniqueness of his outfit that caught my eye and sucked me in.
Plus I read a lot of expanded universe stuff that fleshed him out.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:30 pm

I haven't watched this show and doubt I ever will.

What surprises me so damn much is that you'd think the Star Wars universe would be able to make great shows/movies with ease, and what we're seeing is that it's really freakin' hard to make something worth watching.

It's all about the stories and they just can't get it right.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Thu Jul 18, 2024 4:04 pm

Andor. Andor got it right.

Victoria Raverna · Post by **Victoria Raverna** » Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:05 am

McNutt wrote: ↑Thu Jul 18, 2024 2:30 pm I haven't watched this show and doubt I ever will.

What surprises me so damn much is that you'd think the Star Wars universe would be able to make great shows/movies with ease, and what we're seeing is that it's really freakin' hard to make something worth watching.

It's all about the stories and they just can't get it right.

How do you know they don't get it right if you don't watch the show?

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Fri Jul 19, 2024 12:22 am

If you watch 12 shows that are pretty mediocre to awful in a franchise, I think it’s safe to say they have a problem even if you stop watching before the 14th one.

But I repeat: Andor is the exception.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Fri Jul 19, 2024 10:12 am

I've watched enough to know that if I read reviews of the next one that are brutal I shouldn't waste my time.

Yes, Andor was fantastic. It's what gives me hope.

$iljanus · Post by **$iljanus** » Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:03 pm

After a few episodes I just read spoiler filled reviews and recaps and feel I’m up to speed and don’t need to watch the rest of the series. I did enjoy the big bad character and how he took care of business. I figured that would be a good stopping point.

Like everyone else, waiting patiently for the next season of Andor.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Fri Aug 02, 2024 11:36 am

Just finished this last night. Overall I thought it was pretty good - seems like I may be in the minority on that. I thought the steady reveal of what happened on the witch planet over time was handled pretty well. My main grip was with the ending. When I watched the last episode I was tired and a little sick, but I'm 95% sure that didn't really make much of any sense, and that with some small tweaks could have been a lot better.

One other thing that kept throwing me off is that the guy who plays one of the main bad guys is the same actor who plays Jason in The Good Place. During the battle scenes I kept expecting him to shout "BORTLES!!!" when he was going into the fights.

JCC · Post by **JCC** » Fri Aug 02, 2024 4:54 pm

I generally liked it too though as I noted before still think it's probably my least favorite of the Disney Star Wars shows. I was beyond delighted when Jason was revealed to be the Sith. My lady friend and I are (and were) watching (rewatching in my case) the Good Place when this aired so it was highly amusing for both of us to see him as a Sith!

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Sat Aug 03, 2024 11:58 pm

I ended up giving it a shot and I'm actually glad I did. This show was different and I enjoyed it. There were some stupid things I just had to accept, but the portrayal of the Jedi as high and mighty and the Sith as force users with legitimate grievances with the Jedi was something I've wanted to see for a long time. It didn't have anything to do with the Skywalker line or hipster biker gangs and resisted (except for the final scenes) fan service callbacks.

I'd give it a 7/10. It was SO much better than Boba Fett or Ahsoka.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:29 pm

Yeah, Mrs. Kub and I really enjoyed this too.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:05 pm

Disney has canceled plans for a season 2 of The Acolyte. I read that viewership was pretty low and I blame that on the early review bombing and that people were getting tired of bad Star Wars content and figured this would be more of the same.

Scraper · Post by **Scraper** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:40 am

McNutt wrote: ↑Mon Aug 19, 2024 11:05 pm Disney has canceled plans for a season 2 of The Acolyte. I read that viewership was pretty low and I blame that on the early review bombing and that people were getting tired of bad Star Wars content and figured this would be more of the same.

I watched it, I didn't think it was great, but I would have watched a 2nd season.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 8:49 am

Disney needs to put it's money into Andor and Andor-likes. They should take a chill on jedi for like 10 years and then bring it back out.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:19 am

They need to create a Star Wars comedy and take some of the piss out of the mythology. It's gotten too full of itself.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:23 am

They are like the dad that bought one of those really sweet fake lightsabers you can buy online for a couple hundred dollars and they just keep trying to impress people with it.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:34 am

Another thought: Star Wars is full of characters that teeter on the edge of horror (the Night Sisters, the Sith in general, etc.). They should do a series that just fully commits to being a horror series.

Just stop giving us the same goddamn shows over and over and over again. *

*This does not include Andor as it is truly great.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:41 am

okay fine, I bought 2. You can't just have 1 of them. Jeeze.

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 11:07 am

Unagi wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 9:23 am They are like the dad that bought one of those really sweet fake lightsabers you can buy online for a couple hundred dollars and they just keep trying to impress people with it.

I don't know what you are talking about...

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 11:47 am

That's either the universe's tiniest AT-AT or the lightsaber of a storm giant.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:05 pm

I see no AT-AT sir...where did you get your nerd card approved? AT-ST

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:28 pm

I sincerely apologize for that. I feel like a just punishment would be to make me watch Space Cadet.

Daehawk · Post by **Daehawk** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 2:40 pm

If you do Ill watch it with you.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 3:14 pm

Punisher · Post by **Punisher** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 10:03 pm

Daehawk wrote: ↑Tue Aug 20, 2024 1:05 pm I see no AT-AT sir...where did you get your nerd card approved? AT-ST

Are you sure it's not a Dalek from Star Trek?

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 10:07 pm

It's obviously a Viper from Space:1999.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Tue Aug 20, 2024 10:12 pm

At first I thought it was Twiki. Then I remembered he didn’t show up in Star Wars until Return of the Jedi when they introduced Mal Reynolds.

Unagi · Post by **Unagi** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 8:06 am

Your confusing it with Star Trek.

Exodor · Post by **Exodor** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 10:34 am

Finally finished this last night and hoo boy what a stinker. I think it's by far the worst of the Star Wars TV series - I would happily watch Boba Fett Newsies another time than this snooze-fest.

The entire season turned on an event that I can't quite fathom:

Spoiler:

At least Manny Jacinto is getting work, I guess.

Sudy · Post by **Sudy** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 11:14 am

Cancelled?

Thank goodness, I don't have to watch this now.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:31 pm

Exodor wrote:Finally finished this last night and hoo boy what a stinker. I think it's by far the worst of the Star Wars TV series - I would happily watch Boba Fett Newsies another time than this snooze-fest.

The entire season turned on an event that I can't quite fathom:

Spoiler:
Why did Sol kill the mother? I know he was trying to "save" the twins because reasons but that action just seemed so unnecessary other than to drive the plot
At least Manny Jacinto is getting work, I guess.

Spoiler:

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:36 pm

It wasn't a great show, but I agree with McNutt in that it tried to do something I wish Star Wars would do more of.

JCC · Post by **JCC** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 12:44 pm

This is hardly something "different" about the Acolyte worthy of praise.

The prequel trilogy was definitely all about how the Jedi were flawed. As was the case with the Clone Wars. As was the case with the sequel trilogy.

Only the original trilogy eulogized the Jedi.

McNutt · Post by **McNutt** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:00 pm

I haven't seen all the shows, such as the cartoons, but I don't remember the Jedi being shown as control freaks like they were here. They made mistakes in other films, but here they were treating citizens of some other planet as their subjects.

This was the best showing of why some force users would consider the Jedi enemies.

This is so much better than focusing on old characters because there is a pretty rich universe that was getting a little stagnant before Andor and The Acolyte. Keep in mind, I think Andor was much better than The Acolyte. However, The Acolyte gave me hope that they are willing to continue exploring other storylines.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 2:33 pm

I've watched very little of the animated shows. But the other things you mentioned showed the flaws as being born of noble intent, at the very least. Acolyte showed us petty Jedis with flaws born out of their own hubris and ego.

Am I "praising" the show?

No.

But I enjoyed it far more than the Boba Fett show.

JCC · Post by **JCC** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 4:13 pm

McNutt wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2024 1:00 pm I haven't seen all the shows, such as the cartoons, but I don't remember the Jedi being shown as control freaks like they were here. They made mistakes in other films, but here they werent treating citizens of some other planet as their subjects.

It's pretty clear to me in the prequels that the Jedi were zealous about rounding up force sensitive children and indoctrinating them into their (religious) order. Albeit, making sure they were young enough to be malleable to following their quasi-religious dogma.

hepcat · Post by **hepcat** » Wed Aug 21, 2024 5:01 pm

You may have read into the movies such a thing. But never once did I feel that was what those movies were trying to convey. I don't recall anything but smiling children being patted on the head by kind Jedi. I'm hard pressed to think of even one scene where the jedi schools were presented in such a way.

Star Wars has almost always been presented as a black and white world. Well, until recently