The Kamala Harris presidential candidacy

[Alefroth]

I figured she should probably have her own thread now.

Pelosi is on the Harris train-

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... c-nominee/

[Jaymann]

I like her advantages over Agent Orange:

Age
Intelligence
Erudition
Pro Choice
Rule of Law
Black enough
No criminal or civil convictions (against her)

[waitingtoconnect]

She’s a great choice. There is no question for a right minded person. And age is not an issue.

The question is can people not in the maga camp see past their racism and sexism and vote for her.

The pluses are obvious. But the real risk is the Supreme Court challenge against the interpretation of the 14th amendment.

I can see a Supreme Court challenge. An October surprise if you will.

In 1898 Wong Kim Ark, who was born in San Francisco in 1873, had been denied re-entry to the United States after a trip abroad, under the Chinese Exclusion Act, a law banning virtually all Chinese immigration and prohibiting Chinese immigrants from becoming naturalized U.S. citizens. He challenged the government's refusal to recognize his citizenship, and the Supreme Court ruled in his favor, holding that the citizenship language in the Fourteenth Amendment encompassed the circumstances of his birth and could not be limited in its effect by an act of Congress.

It’s also why Biden can’t resign until after the election. Because if he does Harris’ eligibility will be challenged at once and she will be pushed out. Johnson will then become president and democracy will likely end.

[Alefroth]

If any 'undecideds' are put off by her gender or race, I don't think they were really ever going to vote for Biden.

[LordMortis]

Gotta admit, I went to all the profiles I've long since ghosted of FB for propaganda posting. Only 2 mentions of Biden dropping out. None mentioning Harris at all. Are marching orders not yet sent? I can't imagine there was no contingency plan in place to hate on her, especially as they loved to hate on her as VP when she was mostly incognito for the last three years. One would think that bad thing about her, but being incognito is about the best any VP has done in my adult lifetime.

If any 'undecideds' are put off by her gender or race, I don't think they were really ever going to vote for Biden.

My assumption is the bigot crowd are some of TFGs biggest supporters even if they don't speak their bigotry out loud or even deny supporting him. Harris won't move the needle with that crowd one way or another. They were already voting for TFG and they weren't staying at home. The volume of their numbers was a terrifying wake up call to me in 2016 though.

[waitingtoconnect]

There is a “brown tax” for successful people of color. And a “woman tax” for successful women. That compounds if you are a successful woman of color.

And if you are biracial you often get it even worse because you aren’t “black” enough or “Indian” enough and that means you always have to contend with people calling you an imposter and an appropriator.

How much doubt and crap she would have to have put up with cannot be underestimated.

Let’s not forget that as a young girl she had to be bussed to school - and back then that meant having protestors scream at you the whole way.

We are in the reality television era of politics now. The Idiocracy is real. And a lot of people want segregation and hatred back. You should see the vile (insert swear word) here she is being subjected to. And Elon musk seems to be joining in on Twitter.

[Unagi]

If any 'undecideds' are put off by her gender or race, I don't think they were really ever going to vote for Biden.

My assumption is the bigot crowd are some of TFGs biggest supporters even if they don't speak their bigotry out loud or even deny supporting him. Harris won't move the needle with that crowd one way or another. They were already voting for TFG and they weren't staying at home. The volume of their numbers was a terrifying wake up call to me in 2016 though.

All of this, exactly my take.

[YellowKing]

She'll be fine. There's absolutely no evidence that there is a demographic of hidden "shadow bigots" that were going to vote for Biden but now have to vote for fascism because they can't vote for a woman of color. And in fact, there's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary.

The biggest strength she brings is that she completely nullified the so-called "double hater" demographic that didn't like the choice they were given and would have likely sat out this election.

[Unagi]

She'll be fine. There's absolutely no evidence that there is a demographic of hidden "shadow bigots" that were going to vote for Biden but now have to vote for fascism because they can't vote for a woman of color. And in fact, there's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary.

The biggest strength she brings is that she completely nullified the so-called "double hater" demographic that didn't like the choice they were given and would have likely sat out this election.

I think a legitimate concern is that there are probably some number of people who may have sat it out before now - but Harris is a total deal breaker for them and they must keep a woman of color from taking the office. And they may be in key swing states with a really slim chance of winning already... So, the 'shadow bigots' are just the people who would have assumed Trump was winning, and no need for them to vote.

Of course, the GOP is freaking out that Harris may have awoken and invigorated a body of voters that have not been counted properly before (or expected to turn out).

I need to put a cap on my optimism though, it's just been so long before I let any of it in that it's really easy to leave the faucet on too long.

[Smoove_B]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

[Victoria Raverna]

I'm surprised that people are surprised about this. You give the people a better choice than two old guys, people are going to be more excited. I think now there is a hope for Democrats to win against Trump.

[Unagi]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

[Smoove_B]

I'm surprised that people are surprised about this. You give the people a better choice than two old guys, people are going to be more excited.

I don't think there was ever a question as to whether or not there were better choices. The question was whether or not it would be a good idea to switch candidates in the final ~100 days of the election. It was a HUGE risk - huge. Initial impressions seem like it was a good move; let's hope that it continues to build.

[Kurth]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Same here. My oldest (will be a junior in college) has rarely been interested in politics, but he's all in right now. He was despondent about the Biden v. Trump race, but he seems much more optimistic with Harris v. Trump.

I just watched some clips from her speech today. Maybe there's good reason for that. It's early days, but I liked what I saw from her so far.

[LawBeefaroni]

She'll be fine. There's absolutely no evidence that there is a demographic of hidden "shadow bigots" that were going to vote for Biden but now have to vote for fascism because they can't vote for a woman of color. And in fact, there's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary.

The biggest strength she brings is that she completely nullified the so-called "double hater" demographic that didn't like the choice they were given and would have likely sat out this election.

I think a legitimate concern is that there are probably some number of people who may have sat it out before now - but Harris is a total deal breaker for them and they must keep a woman of color from taking the office. And they may be in key swing states with a really slim chance of winning already... So, the 'shadow bigots' are just the people who would have assumed Trump was winning, and no need for them to vote.

Yeah, do not under estimate racism and misogyny.

I need to put a cap on my optimism though, it's just been so long before I let any of it in that it's really easy to leave the faucet on too long.

Don't don the cap just yet. Go watch videos of Clinton victory parties in 2016.

[Victoria Raverna]

I'm surprised that people are surprised about this. You give the people a better choice than two old guys, people are going to be more excited.

I don't think there was ever a question as to whether or not there were better choices. The question was whether or not it would be a good idea to switch candidates in the final ~100 days of the election. It was a HUGE risk - huge. Initial impressions seem like it was a good move; let's hope that it continues to build.

I don't think the risk is huge. When the old guy option is impossible to win in November, a switch to another option is not a huge risk. At worst, you still lose in November which is not worse than staying with the old guy option.

[Isgrimnur]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Look at the world events in which they've grown up. Have they had an environment in which to be optimistic?

[Unagi]

I need to put a cap on my optimism though, it's just been so long before I let any of it in that it's really easy to leave the faucet on too long.

Don't don the cap just yet. Go watch videos of Clinton victory parties in 2016.

I think you misunderstood. The 'cap' was meant to mean a 'limit' to how optimistic I would let myself get.
There is no cap in the 'donning' sense, that I own, that speaks to any pre-2016 levels of optimism.

That world is gone. Forever on guard.

[waitingtoconnect]

She'll be fine. There's absolutely no evidence that there is a demographic of hidden "shadow bigots" that were going to vote for Biden but now have to vote for fascism because they can't vote for a woman of color. And in fact, there's quite a bit of evidence to the contrary.

The biggest strength she brings is that she completely nullified the so-called "double hater" demographic that didn't like the choice they were given and would have likely sat out this election.

The only shadow bigots that matter right now is are there enough of them of the 6 conservatives on the Supreme Court bench to implement John Eastmans legal theory every true legal scholar said was wrong.

This is a maga political theory from John Eastman who tried to get trump s loss overturned in the wake of losing the 2020 election.
https://www.newsweek.com/some-questions ... on-1524483

It says that Harris is naturalised and not a natural born American despite being born here. Thus ineligible.

Right now Americans couldnt trust the Supreme Court won’t follow this argument.

And even if they won’t - Republican lower court judges could wreak havoc before the Supreme Court weighs in.

One risk we should be prepared for is that a lower court judge closely aligned with Maga might issue a court order forcing Biden’s name back on the ballot. It’s far from clear what the legal basis of such a decision would be, but there are judges — think of figures like Christian Right crusader Matthew Kacsmaryk or Aileen Cannon, the trial judge who has behaved like a member of Trump’s criminal defense team — who’ve shown an extraordinary willingness to bend the law to achieve Republican goals.

[Unagi]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Look at the world events in which they've grown up. Have they had an environment in which to be optimistic?

Oh man, you can't can begin to understand the times I've talked to my wife and close friends about that very point. To grow up with Trump being the figurehead of one of our very serious parties... it's just heartbreaking. Climate change is also a serious source of depression in that context as well.

[LawBeefaroni]

I need to put a cap on my optimism though, it's just been so long before I let any of it in that it's really easy to leave the faucet on too long.

Don't don the cap just yet. Go watch videos of Clinton victory parties in 2016.

I think you misunderstood. The 'cap' was meant to mean a 'limit' to how optimistic I would let myself get.
There is no cap in the 'donning' sense, that I own, that speaks to any pre-2016 levels of optimism.

That world is gone. Forever on guard.

Ah, sorry. Reading too fast. Stay vigilant!

[Isgrimnur]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Look at the world events in which they've grown up. Have they had an environment in which to be optimistic?

Oh man, you can't can begin to understand the times I've talked to my wife and close friends about that very point. To grow up with Trump being the figurehead of one of our very serious parties... it's just heartbreaking. Climate change is also a serious source of depression in that context as well.

Add twenty years of war in the Iraq and Afghanistan, a resurgent Russia just taking parts of Ukraine with the rest of the world going, "eh, what are you gonna do?", etc.

[Victoria Raverna]

The Anti-Trump:

[Smoove_B]

I don't think the risk is huge. When the old guy option is impossible to win in November, a switch to another option is not a huge risk. At worst, you still lose in November which is not worse than staying with the old guy option.

I respectfully disagree as we've not seen anything like this (changing an incumbent Presidential candidate) in our collective lifetimes.

That said, the short attention span of the average American coupled with a ~100 day election campaign might be enough to overcome the 4+ year hate campaign that has been run by a sexual assaulting felon. I guess we'll see.

[Kraken]

Climate change is also a serious source of depression in that context as well.

One that I hope she will hammer on hard and often, because TFG will be an environmental catastrophe.

[hepcat]

I'm surprised that people are surprised about this. You give the people a better choice than two old guys, people are going to be more excited.

I don't think there was ever a question as to whether or not there were better choices. The question was whether or not it would be a good idea to switch candidates in the final ~100 days of the election. It was a HUGE risk - huge. Initial impressions seem like it was a good move; let's hope that it continues to build.

I don't think the risk is huge. When the old guy option is impossible to win in November, a switch to another option is not a huge risk. At worst, you still lose in November which is not worse than staying with the old guy option.

That “old guy” helped avoid an economic crisis in the U.S., has been trying to keep Russia in check, and attempting to get Israel to talk. Let’s not trivialize a good leader like that. He did the right thing in the end. Something I doubt very few others would willingly do.

[Trent Steel]

I don't think the risk is huge. When the old guy option is impossible to win in November, a switch to another option is not a huge risk. At worst, you still lose in November which is not worse than staying with the old guy option.

I respectfully disagree as we've not seen anything like this (changing an incumbent Presidential candidate) in our collective lifetimes.

That said, the short attention span of the average American coupled with a ~100 day election campaign might be enough to overcome the 4+ year hate campaign that has been run by a sexual assaulting felon. I guess we'll see.

There was 0% chance Biden was winning. Any change at this point is a positive, even if it’s only a fraction of a percent.

[YellowKing]

Yeah, do not under estimate racism and misogyny.

I keep being told this, but I've seen no evidence that there's enough of it to cost her the presidency. Racism and misogyny did little to keep her out of the White House in 2020. And she's starting out slightly better than Biden against Trump in early polling. One would expect if racism and misogyny were so rampant, she'd be doing significantly worse than the white guy. And Michelle Obama certainly wouldn't be leading Trump by double digits in hypothetical matchups.

At any rate, it is what it is. I don't think we should be making decisions based on how racists and misogynists are going to react.

[waitingtoconnect]

The racists and sexists are in the minority - but we need to make sure that they aren’t the majority of the actual voters on election day.

Vote. And tell every decent person you know to vote.

[Smoove_B]

BREAKING: Kamala Harris CLINCHES Democratic nomination.

It only took her about 31 hours — while raising $231 million.

This was like a political D-Day — we’ve never seen anything like this.

DEMOCRATS. IN. ARRAY

[Alefroth]

That was fast. I read that the campaign was hoping to have enough pledges by Wednesday night-

https://apnews.com/article/harris-biden ... 4fe61a73e9

WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Kamala Harris has secured the support of enough Democratic delegates to become her party’s nominee against Republican Donald Trump, according to an Associated Press survey, as top Democrats rallied to her in the aftermath of President Joe Biden’s decision to drop his bid for reelection,

The quick coalescing behind Harris marked an attempt by the party to put weeks of internecine drama over Biden’s political future behind them and to unify behind the task of defeating Trump with just over 100 days until Election Day. Prominent Democratic elected officials, party leaders and political organizations quickly lined up behind Harris in the day after Biden’s exit from the race and her campaign set a new 24-hour record for presidential donations on Monday.

Several state delegations met late Monday to confirm their support for Harris, including Texas and her home state of California. By Monday night, Harris had the support of at least 2,579 delegates, according to the AP tally of delegates, more than the 1,976 delegates she’ll need to win on a first ballot. No other candidate was named by a delegate contacted by the AP.

edit: Bammed by seconds!

[Dramatist]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Same here. My oldest (will be a junior in college) has rarely been interested in politics, but he's all in right now. He was despondent about the Biden v. Trump race, but he seems much more optimistic with Harris v. Trump.

I just watched some clips from her speech today. Maybe there's good reason for that. It's early days, but I liked what I saw from her so far.

My daughter (turned 29 today) is also hopeful for the future for the first time in a long time. She’s told me that Tik Tok has blown up with people excited for Harris.


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[Smoove_B]

edit: Bammed by seconds!

Nah, you have an actual news story, not some post on social media. It's still pretty crazy, regardless.

[Victoria Raverna]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Same here. My oldest (will be a junior in college) has rarely been interested in politics, but he's all in right now. He was despondent about the Biden v. Trump race, but he seems much more optimistic with Harris v. Trump.

I just watched some clips from her speech today. Maybe there's good reason for that. It's early days, but I liked what I saw from her so far.

My daughter (turned 29 today) is also hopeful for the future for the first time in a long time. She’s told me that Tik Tok has blown up with people excited for Harris.


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I guess now Trump is going to change his mind again and support banning Tiktok.

[waitingtoconnect]

Just have to hope this has inspired more people to vote because they're excited to see her as the nominee than it has inspired troglodytes. It's only been a few days and I don't know anything officially, but anecdotally people seem energized.

I can tell you my oldest kid thinks it's a massive improvement and easily the best shift in our timeline in years. And this kid is never remotely optimistic. (to be fair, still isn't, but...)

Same here. My oldest (will be a junior in college) has rarely been interested in politics, but he's all in right now. He was despondent about the Biden v. Trump race, but he seems much more optimistic with Harris v. Trump.

I just watched some clips from her speech today. Maybe there's good reason for that. It's early days, but I liked what I saw from her so far.

My daughter (turned 29 today) is also hopeful for the future for the first time in a long time. She’s told me that Tik Tok has blown up with people excited for Harris.


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It was my birthday as well. A glorious day. A viable candidate for president!

[Jaymann]

Nikki Haley PAC is supporting Harris. Haley is a turd, but she showed well against Agent Orange and demonstrates not all Republicans are giving Florida Man the seig heil.

[waitingtoconnect]

The only question is which VP will she pick to counter unhinged paranoia?

[waitingtoconnect]

Nikki Haley PAC is supporting Harris. Haley is a turd, but she showed well against Agent Orange and demonstrates not all Republicans are giving Florida Man the seig heil.

To be clear it’s not the woman herself, but the people she voted for her.

haley already sold her soul back to Trump.

[em2nought]

I guess it plays in her favor that she never even showed up for her job as the border czar? Along that same line of thinking the current "secret" darling of the democrats might be a good choice as VP.

[Unagi]

Nikki Haley PAC is supporting Harris. Haley is a turd, but she showed well against Agent Orange and demonstrates not all Republicans are giving Florida Man the seig heil.

Just to be clear, that voter’s PAC was already named Nikki Halley voters for Biden, and had bailed on NH when she rekissed Trump’s ring