Running

[LordMortis]

I looked up running paths on various maps around here and most of them are too far to drive. I've got two good parks within about six miles. The one around a lake and another that stretches across the entire county East to West. After that I have drive quite a ways. I don't think I can justify getting my car to drive 20 minutes or longer to get to nature park paths. Especially when I sweat a lot. Getting back into a car even after 15 minutes of wiping myself down leaves me sweaty and smelly in my car. For my purposes, when I just want to on again off again 1100 steps I can jog in tiny circles in my basement or around one of the shortest blocks. When I want to do 1100 at a time until I finish a distance, I can choose paths that I walked a zillion times at 2,3, or 4 miles. I do hate parking lots and intersections since my accident though and for lack of a better word PTSD still sometimes hits me, so jog/walking a nice long path is allows me to forget the world except the for if I want to take in nature. I very briefly saw beaver in the wild for the first time since I don't know when on my first time out.

[LordMortis]

On my walk/jog this morning. I did just a bit over 5k in around 40 minutes. Not sure how I did that, even as I know I upped my jogging steps back to 1200 per pop. Likely I felt like a race horse and pushed harder than I should have jogging more and walking less. The path around the lake was packed with what I assumed were cross country high school kids training along with a ton of other people. Still for me that time was insane and not likely to be matched again for a long time.

[stessier]

On my walk/jog this morning. I did just a bit over 5k in around 40 minutes. Not sure how I did that, even as I know I upped my jogging steps back to 1200 per pop. Likely I felt like a race horse and pushed harder than I should have jogging more and walking less. The path around the lake was packed with what I assumed were cross country high school kids training along with a ton of other people. Still for me that time was insane and not likely to be matched again for a long time.

Congrats! Always nice when one is able to see improvement.

[LordMortis]

Normally, the closest I come to pride is a humble brag or envy. Today, I'm feeling real pride. a 40 minute walk/jog 5k, I guess, is now a thing for me. I've done it twice in one week and I'm not in horrible shape. I'm not to the point where I jog the entire thing and I don't know that I ever will be. I do know I can walk/jog for a good 90 minute interval if I'm well rested going in and I don't seem to have hit a ceiling yet.

Two years ago, when I started walking and decided I needed to really start reclaiming my health, I couldn't walk 5k. I had to work up to it over the course of months and when I did work up to it, it took 90 minutes. I got it down to 70 minutes when I got hit by a car. I've had to work through three major surgeries and rehab while vowing not to give up on walking as soon as and as best I could. I never thought I would really run and I certainly never believed I'd be watching my 5k walk/run pacing and setting benchmarks for pushing myself.

[JCC]

Awesome LM. Amazing accomplishment. You are hard as nails.

I have pretty much given up on jogging. But I am still walking 7 miles a day 4-7 days a week. The hurricane put paid to that this week. I also have a knee that needs replacing (it's bone on bone) which makes the walks a little salty sometime. When the pain gets bad, I get a steroid shot, but I was getting them once a quarter and now I haven't had one for about 5 months. I'm 51, and would like to delay the surgery as long as I can so I don't have to do it twice. For now, I am able to walk 7 miles and not use any pain medicine.

[Unagi]

Yeah, I'm endlessly impressed by your story LM.
Almost has me thinking...

-alright, enough of that.

[LordMortis]

Awesome LM. Amazing accomplishment. You are hard as nails.

I have pretty much given up on jogging. But I am still walking 7 miles a day 4-7 days a week. The hurricane put paid to that this week. I also have a knee that needs replacing (it's bone on bone) which makes the walks a little salty sometime. When the pain gets bad, I get a steroid shot, but I was getting them once a quarter and now I haven't had one for about 5 months. I'm 51, and would like to delay the surgery as long as I can so I don't have to do it twice. For now, I am able to walk 7 miles and not use any pain medicine.

I'm sorry to hear that. I saw that earlier. That 7 miles a day is about my goal one way or another. It equates to about 15,000 steps. My best to you. I hate to see you going down while I'm trying to work my way up. Is swimming an option for you? It's not really for me. I was never good at it and my skin hates chlorinated/treated water.

Yeah, I'm endlessly impressed by your story LM.
Almost has me thinking...

-alright, enough of that.

Now if I ever start being around people again, we'll see if I can keep it up. I think COVID ironically helped me on my physical health goal a lot. Mental... eyaahh maybe not so much.

[JCC]

Re: LM, I love to swim in general. But, swimming laps isn't something I would be able to do as much as walking. Walking has pretty much been the only exercise I can stick with and I absolutely love it. I don't love it when I get some painful twinges in the knee, but thankfully those are few and far between. I liked running too but it takes too much of a toll on my joints and I have just given up on it.

[Baroquen]

Great news LM! Happy for the progress you've made. Keep it up!

My next marathon is coming up next weekend. Alaska. Hope it doesn't rain!

[LordMortis]

I'll stick to my walk jogs. A marathon just sounds nuts to me. Good luck to you, though!

I did some pushing and hit some breakthroughs today/this week that I'm not likely to top for a while.

I jogged 32500 steps and actually am hitting a point where tracking jogging vs walking is getting difficult at 1400 steps a pop so I'm actually jogging more as I keep losing my count. 32500 is by far my most steps jogged in a week and equates to around 20 miles. Today, specifically, I pushed myself for my best hour of movement. That was 5600 steps jogged and 8162 total steps for a total of 4.7 miles in one hour. Maybe I'll try to push myself like that in a month and compare. But even if I don't continue to improve, I'm very happy with where I am. If I can get to this becoming a thing, between the walk/jog and my 17 minute aerobic walk warmup, all I need is that additional hour to complete my movement goals for a day. Add in 45 minutes of PT and I'm cooking with gas. Though, I'm also already pretty tired by 1100 from a morning's activity.

[Skinypupy]

Awesome progress LM, I love reading your updates.

I have pretty much given up on jogging.

Jogging continues to get harder as my hip joints continue to deteriorate. I’m getting slower and slower (my 2024 pace is nearly a full minute/mile behind 2023’s average) but I am staying pretty consistent. The only week this summer that I didn’t run at least 4X a week was GenCon week. My guess is that sometime in the next year or two I’ll have to join the walking ranks instead of running, which bums me out.

I did make a fantastic accidental discovery two weeks ago. I needed a new pair of shoes and mistakenly ordered Saucony “Glide 15” instead of “Ride 15” (Ride has been my go-to for the past three years). Turns out that Glide is their shoe with increased arch support to help with pronation, which has been a godsend. Both my knees and my back has felt significantly better over the past two weeks. So that’s nice.

[JCC]

I did make a fantastic accidental discovery two weeks ago. I needed a new pair of shoes and mistakenly ordered Saucony “Glide 15” instead of “Ride 15”

I went to one of those sporty shoe stores about 5 years ago where they measure your feet and give you recommendations. (I have extremely flat feet.) I also have worn Saucony shoes ever since. (Echelon 8 running shoes.) They are awesome. I buy around 2-3 pairs a year. When I retire a pair from my daily walks they become my "everyday" sneakers.

[LordMortis]

I've hit the point where counting steps is becoming problematic without a paid for solution. So I've timed my usual 1600 steps at a time, which is just over a mile. It's about 11 minutes. So beginning next week, I'm going to move 11 minute jogs at a pop and then figure out how to increase that over time. Maybe 30 seconds at a jump? We'll see when that time comes. 11 minutes is pretty exhausting and trying to get upwards of 4 of them in at long walk is enough for now. The nice part about this is the inconvenience of setting stop watch on my phone will be counteracted by my not having count and lose count as I get lost in thought or music.

[stessier]

Pedometers are pretty cheap if the phone can't do it by itself. Why not just switch over to distance for the walks (which the phone should have no trouble with)?

[LordMortis]

Pedometers are pretty cheap if the phone can't do it by itself. Why not just switch over to distance for the walks (which the phone should have no trouble with)?

The phone has a native pedometer and natively tracks distance but it has no automagic notification system. I'm guessing there is an app for that but timers are also native to the phone for which I didn't have go out and find and figure out if I like it and I don't have to worry about more external trackers and cross app money making or paid for solutions or degrading my phone battery, etc...

As example, I'm surprised how much Lose It eats my battery even in the background and occasionally causes my media player to hiccup and it's pretty obvious its ad tracking finds google and safari and that MS sees it on the the same IP as my computer and they all cross advertise and then FB joins the fun even when I have it walled off... I'm OK with this, because Lose It provides a lot of utility for my needs and I don't pay for it. For something as simple as pedometer or alarm for distance? Not so much for me. I have a solution I'm comfortable integrating.

Edit: just went out and did my medium walk and I like the new metric, though I have to remind myself to set the timer every time I start to jog. 33 minutes of a 55 minute walk jogged to the tune of about 7500 total steps and 4.2 miles. Funny how that used to be 9000 step walk when I first tackled it. It was never my intention to open up my gait, which is still narrow compared to your average person. And that, itself, is odd as I am (or was when I was younger) 6'2" but with only 28" inseam.

[JCC]

Why not get a fitbit or garmin watch?

[LordMortis]

Why not get a fitbit or garmin watch?

It requires an investment and a new preparation. For now I've found what works, so I'm happy.

[GreenGoo]

I'm walking more (related to my attempts at weight loss) with the hope of being able to jog in the near future. Leg strength vs weight is way out of whack right now, but hopefully they'll start moving closer to acceptable values and jogging will become an option. Not pushing very hard, just trying to be regular with exercise.

[Jeff V]

A friend (and fellow Uber driver) suggested today he might try to be in the Shamrock Shuffle this coming spring. It's an 8K race that I've done a bunch of times in the past, and once managed a personal best averaging under 8 miles per minute. I'm fatter and older now and probably should start training soon if I have any hope for success...my 11 year old son said he'd like to do it, and would train with me.

The last time I ran the race, he was in a stroller as my wife watched in the chilling cold.

[coopasonic]

once managed a personal best averaging under 8 miles per minute

Well I guess I also do under 8 miles per minute... way, way under that. Hell I can't even do 0.25 miles a minute anymore

[EvilHomer3k]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

[stessier]

I will dedicate the first 15 miles to this thread and then just do the next couple for my own edification.

[LordMortis]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

One day I may get to 15 minutes of jogging at a time. 15 miles, not so much. I probably could do 1.5 at a time but that's pushing it further than I think I should be pushed at this time. That said, I'm up to 11.5 minutes at a time, and went twice around Newburgh Lake today for about 5 miles of walk jogging in about 80 minutes time 46 of which were jogging minutes. That's a new best time for me at the length and 5 miles is slowly becoming my normal on my walk jog days.

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Quote you because I want your attention.

I know you are both calorie counting more than I am and running more than I am. What are you doing to keep your protein intake up? For me to get to where I ought to be to keep from feeling achey most of the time, it feels like I would need to be on an all meat all the time diet, which is impractical from a buying, storing, and preparing perspective, to say nothing of the cost; unless I want commute and get a rotisserie chicken from a warehouse club every other day to mitigate against the price of meat.

I do nuts and beans and yogurt and eggs and such pretty regularly in my diet, but most of these things are usually around 5 grams a serving and that doesn't seem to cut it. On days I don't do meat gluttony, I may only get 30 grams of protein. When I spent all day sitting in a chair, that didn't mean much. As I keep trying to ratchet up my daily active time and effort, I'll often know the difference between a 30 gram day and 100 gram day the next day in my pain and my energy reserves.

This trying to be healthy thing is just all around work. Two or two and a half years later and I'm still trying to figure out what I'm signing up for.

[stessier]

My goal at this point is 82g of protein a day. I don't remember how I calculated that though. This supports me currently averaging about 60 miles a week running. Honestly, I don't hit it every day - looking at the tracking, it's 18 out of the last 31 days, so 58% of the time (although in fairness, I'm usually within 10g).

I'm pretty boring, so I eat basically the same food every day. The main sources of protein, though, are 2oz of peanuts at breakfast (14.2g), a protein bar at lunch (Clif Bar Builder's Bar - Chocolate Peanut Butter - 20g), 9 Triscuits (4.5g), 1.25 oz of Cheez-Its (3g), a big salad with bacon bits (1oz - 3g), and then the main protein at dinner rotates between 6oz of chicken (31g), 4 oz of center loin pork chops (32g), 5oz of Member's Mark Beer Battered Cod (17.5g), or 3 slices of Screamin' Scicilian Pizza - Pepperoni Pizza (32g).

I don't know if those sources are unusually expensive or not. I usually eat the chicken option multiple times a week and work in the others about once a week.

[Skinypupy]

once managed a personal best averaging under 8 miles per minute

Well I guess I also do under 8 miles per minute... way, way under that. Hell I can't even do 0.25 miles a minute anymore

As of this morning, I have been on 703 runs over the past 3+ years. I’ve run under 9:00/mile exactly once in that time, and it was literally at 8:59.

I will never ever ever ever get down to 8:00/mile. I’m ecstatic if I get under 10:00/mile these days.

[stessier]

You do realize the quote flipped min/mile for miles/min, right.

[EvilHomer3k]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

One day I may get to 15 minutes of jogging at a time. 15 miles, not so much. I probably could do 1.5 at a time but that's pushing it further than I think I should be pushed at this time. That said, I'm up to 11.5 minutes at a time, and went twice around Newburgh Lake today for about 5 miles of walk jogging in about 80 minutes time 46 of which were jogging minutes. That's a new best time for me at the length and 5 miles is slowly becoming my normal on my walk jog days.

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Quote you because I want your attention.

I know you are both calorie counting more than I am and running more than I am. What are you doing to keep your protein intake up? For me to get to where I ought to be to keep from feeling achey most of the time, it feels like I would need to be on an all meat all the time diet, which is impractical from a buying, storing, and preparing perspective, to say nothing of the cost; unless I want commute and get a rotisserie chicken from a warehouse club every other day to mitigate against the price of meat.

I do nuts and beans and yogurt and eggs and such pretty regularly in my diet, but most of these things are usually around 5 grams a serving and that doesn't seem to cut it. On days I don't do meat gluttony, I may only get 30 grams of protein. When I spent all day sitting in a chair, that didn't mean much. As I keep trying to ratchet up my daily active time and effort, I'll often know the difference between a 30 gram day and 100 gram day the next day in my pain and my energy reserves.

This trying to be healthy thing is just all around work. Two or two and a half years later and I'm still trying to figure out what I'm signing up for.

If it weren't for protein powder I wouldn't get enough protein. I have a latte for breakfast (espresso, 1.25 cups milk, 1 tsp sugar free syrup). It's good for about 10 grams of protein. Then a protein bar for a snack (10-20grams protein)
For lunch I try to eat ramen (I get a protein ramen with 20 grams protein) with added frozen peas/carrots. I may eat some canned soup but if I do I also have some powdered protein. Once per week I get Jimmy Johns (pickle and not chips - even though I love kettle chips). Also once a week I get a slice of pizza (and also have the powdered protein).
About 3:00 I have a protein powder concoction (milk/water with powder and PBS (powdered peanut butter) or PB2, protein powder and a tablespoon of applesauce (it's sort of like pudding), or protein powder, greek yogurt and baking soda (microwave it and it fluffs up). This is usually about 20-30 grams of protein. All told I'll get about 60 grams in at work. Not great but not terrible. Usually I'll have about 80 grams by the end of a work day.

Then for dinner it's whatever we eat. With three kids it's tough to do much else. Usually that's a protein (chicken, pork, ground beef, tofu), a vegetable, and a starch. Usually this is about 30 more grams.
Overall I get probably 100 grams a day. I should probably be getting closer to 150-175. I only get what I get because of powdered protein and PB2.

If I could find some beer or whiskey that had 10 grams of protein per serving I'm sure I could get 200 grams easy.

Looking at your list I would ask if you are eating greek yoghurt or just regular. Greek has way more protein. You can also sub egg whites for eggs (though I like regular eggs myself). Beans are always brought up as a good source of protein but they really don't have that much. At least not for the amount of calories. Premier protein powder is pretty good and has 30 grams of protein for 150 calories. PB2 has 6 grams of protein for 60 calories. It's not great on toast but it's good as a sort of flavoring.

Another thing I'd look at it cottage cheese. It's cheaper than yogurt and has similar if not more protein. There's a cottage cheese/egg wrap/bread viral thing (1 cup cottage cheese, 1 egg or 2 egg whites) that's actually quite good and has a lot of protein. I've made wraps with it and it's a great wrap.

Finally, look at protein grams per calorie. A good source has at least 1 gram of protein per 10 calories. We have some Oikos Triple Zero yogurt that has 17 grams of protein per 100 calories with is pretty good. Garbanzo beans have 6 grams per 110 calories. That's okay but honestly not much. We have some albacore tuna in the cupboard (I hate regular tuna but like albacore) which has 22 grams of protein for 100 calories which is fantastic. My protein powder has 30 grams for 150 calories which is close to the tuna (20 grams for 100). Both are better than chicken breast which is 21 grams of protein for 140 calories. Tofu has roughly 1 gram of protein per 10 calories. Honestly, if you just sub tofu for beans you'll get more protein.

[LordMortis]

That protein density it what I'm looking for. But then I'm also looking for what I'd eat and what I'd eat on my cheap budget. Maybe I''ll have to look in to the protein powders, though I'm not looking to make shakes as I'm looking to keep expenses and additional calories low. I do do cottage cheese but I try not to make it an all the time thing because it's so high in sodium. I'm not a fan of Greek Yogurt, it's both more expensive and I don't like it as much as traditional yogurt. Tuna is good for me but not all of the time. From my one day of time on the Internet poking around it really does look like meat is still the least expensive and most protein dense way to get protein. One would think with all of the plant proteins to come to market in the last decade, things might have changed. I might try looking in to Tempe and at least give it a shot.

[EvilHomer3k]

I had this big rambling write-up on costs for my protein shake and comparing costs/calories of various proteins. My shake, for example came out to $1.05, had 215 calories, and 29 grams of protein.

So I after reading through that mess and wanting to know myself I made a spreadsheet. Then I made it editable. Then I put in some crappy charts.

[LordMortis]

Thank you for the effort that helps me put together a nice mental and physical picture. I just peanut butter powder on my shopping list. It really does let me know that meat is the way cost and calorie effective way to go and that I should probably keep more Tuna on hand.

Also it allows me to put Tempeh in contaxt, which I was also thinking about

8 oz Tempeh is $4.79. which is "2.5 servings" Each serving is 160 calories with 18g of protein. That seemed expensive to me at that time but it seems about in alignment with other things on your spreadsheet.

I think protein power is out for now but I'm likely to start allowing myself more milk and I will be trying the peanut butter powder, I think.

[EvilHomer3k]

One thing I didn't think of which we eat as well is vital wheat gluten. I don't know how much you cook but vital wheat gluten is high in protein and quite inexpensive. It comes out to 2 cents per gram of protein and just 5 calories per gram of protein for Anthony's 4 lb bag on Amazon. It's 35 cents for 20 grams of protein. Requires some preparation but it's cheap and low calorie. It works best mixed with some flour but you can make bread with only VWG (just know it will be chewy). People also use it to make seitan though I haven't (basically a vegan "chicken". Plus you can keep it in the cupboard for months.

[EvilHomer3k]

Got my 1.5 mile run in. Sadly, I was just a little short of 15. I got a shot of cortosone on Monday and my knee is feeling better again. Doesn't feel as good as last year at this time but with the cortisone I was able to run 2 miles today and walk 2 more without much pain. Overall, it's very slowly getting better.

[raydude]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

Got my 15 minutes run in with my wife this past Sunday. I've been keeping pretty consistent with my running, which is pretty slow @ 7:38 mins/km, but at least I can keep it up for 5k. Also, that pace doesn't trigger my asthma at all, which is super nice. I'm hoping to slowly ramp up and get to 7 mins/km by the end of the year, which would be pretty good for me.

[Skinypupy]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

I did 2.5 miles yesterday, does that still count?

[EvilHomer3k]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

I did 2.5 miles yesterday, does that still count?

At some point you hit 1.5 so yes. You probably also hit the 15 minute mark.

[LordMortis]

New milestone this morning. Not only did I do 5 miles in an hour for my walk run; I did 5.4 mile in an hour. :pride: I still think I'm improving and still doing it faster than I would have thought possible for the moment. It will be a bit before 5 miles an hour becomes my thing but not so far away as to not envision it now.

[disarm]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

I did 30 minutes and 2.75 miles on Sunday...the first time I've run that time and distance in more than a year. I've been trying to get back on a consistent running schedule and finally feel like I'm making some progress toward actually feeling good when I run rather than struggling to make it through the time.

I'm sure the fact that I've dropped almost 15 pounds since the beginning of June thanks to a healthier diet and more consistent exercise is also making my efforts a little easier. It's getting harder to maintain the downward trend, but I'd like to drop another 25 and get back into the shape I was ten years ago when I posted in this thread about the start of my running adventure and working my way up to half marathons.

Thanks to everyone for many years of support and encouragement, and best of luck to all who are continuing the journey!

[Jeff V]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

Great idea.

[EvilHomer3k]

This Sunday, this thread will be 15 years old. Lee started it on September 15, 2009 at 9:12 AM. I think everyone who reads it should go for a 15 minute, 15 mile, or 1.5 mile run or walk.

I did 30 minutes and 2.75 miles on Sunday...the first time I've run that time and distance in more than a year. I've been trying to get back on a consistent running schedule and finally feel like I'm making some progress toward actually feeling good when I run rather than struggling to make it through the time.

I'm sure the fact that I've dropped almost 15 pounds since the beginning of June thanks to a healthier diet and more consistent exercise is also making my efforts a little easier. It's getting harder to maintain the downward trend, but I'd like to drop another 25 and get back into the shape I was ten years ago when I posted in this thread about the start of my running adventure and working my way up to half marathons.

Thanks to everyone for many years of support and encouragement, and best of luck to all who are continuing the journey!

Great work on the weight loss. It's tough to stay on track but it looks like you've been doing that. Keep it up.

[EvilHomer3k]

New milestone this morning. Not only did I do 5 miles in an hour for my walk run; I did 5.4 mile in an hour. :pride: I still think I'm improving and still doing it faster than I would have thought possible for the moment. It will be a bit before 5 miles an hour becomes my thing but not so far away as to not envision it now.

5.4 miles in an hour is great. That's farther than most people can do in several hours. More importantly you're getting better than you were yesterday. Keep that up.