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Oof. That's a stiffer sentence than I was expecting and quite a rebuke from the judge-

https://www.cpr.org/2024/10/03/tina-pet ... rk-prison/
Tina Peters is headed to prison.

The former Mesa County Clerk was sentenced to nine years of incarceration, most of which will be served in the Colorado Department of Corrections.

Peters' attorneys indicated they plan to appeal.
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Speaking as a Coloradan, good riddance.
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Here’s the video:



The judge was toasty.

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And she thought one night was tough:

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Grifman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:59 pm
The judge was toasty.

This is what happens when play celebrity while awaiting trial.
That was absolutely scathing!
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Grifman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:59 pm Here’s the video:

The judge was toasty.

This is what happens when play celebrity while awaiting trial.

I actually watched most of the video, something I tend not to do.

I don't know this case, but I got the gist from the 30 minute LECTURE the judge was laying out. I think part of her punishment is having to sit there without recourse and be lectured like a child. I was embarrassed for her.

Well, enjoy your time in prison. Yes, you are the problem.
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Grifman wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2024 5:59 pm /snip
Listened to whole thing. Wow. Judge pulled no punches and you know exactly why she got nine years and no bond for appeal.
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Well, she did get credit for the two days already served...
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There's another video of her sentencing hearing where she is allowed to speak before the judge pronounces sentence. Instead of giving the judge reasons to be merciful to her, she double downs, tries to re-litigate the case, never accepts responsibility or shows any sign of remorse or repentance, and even blames the judge for evidence that he excluded because it was not relevant. As one lawyer put it, "You could see the additional years rolling across the judge's face as she talked and dug her own grave even deeper".



It's really sad, she's 68 years old, and at that stage of life, every year is precious. She's so into this stuff she can't let go, no matter the damage it is doing to her life. Despite what she did - and I can't stand election deniers - she's also human and I feel sad at what she is doing to her life.
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I remember this guy claiming to be on a Dominion-Antifa call. He had now moved from the “fuck around” to the “find out” stage:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 093360007/
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She put herself in prison and closed the door.
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Woke up to Leon at a rally jumping around like Tom Cruise on Oprah, saying if you don't vote for TFG, this will be the last election. Turned the TV off. I guess it's a music morning.

How does he get gub'ment contracts at all at this point. Shouldn't we be encouraging his competition? Seriously. He has got to be a risk to national security at this point. It's demonstrable at ever turn.
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Grifman wrote: Sun Oct 06, 2024 9:45 pm I remember this guy claiming to be on a Dominion-Antifa call. He had now moved from the “fuck around” to the “find out” stage:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 093360007/
Until he's actually paying money or sitting in a cell for not paying money, it would appear he's just deeper in the FA phase but is actually still making money doing so.
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LordMortis wrote: Mon Oct 07, 2024 6:57 am Woke up to Leon at a rally jumping around like Tom Cruise on Oprah, saying if you don't vote for TFG, this will be the last election. Turned the TV off. I guess it's a music morning.

How does he get gub'ment contracts at all at this point. Shouldn't we be encouraging his competition? Seriously. He has got to be a risk to national security at this point. It's demonstrable at ever turn.
His competition is Boeing, unfortunately. Right now it's an open question whether Starliner will ever be operational and Blue Origin is still a sideshow. NASA is wedded to SpaceX for the foreseeable future.

If it's any consolation, Tesla isn't doing well at all in the US.
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https://www.newsweek.com/patrick-byrne- ... la-1966745

Wow, so he ran a "non profit" election denial company, was romantically tied to a Russian asset, and is fleeing a non extradition country to be safe from Venezuela?

I hope they got all of his assets before he could hide them.
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i put my mail in absentee ballot in the mailbox and raised the flag for it to be picked up Saturday. I went to check the mail today and the flag was down..no new mail..and my ballot still in the box. I left it there, re-raised the flag, and stuck a rock behind it to make sure it stays up so the damn mail carrier will take it. Wont keep them from tossing it out the window into the creek down the road though.
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I think you'll be fine. I highly doubt they have you on a "no fly list" for voting or something.

However, they may have you on a list that will keep you from going within 100 yards of a Hooters if they're monitoring your posts on OO.
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Maybe if they want Hooters to go out of business.
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hepcat wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:31 pm I think you'll be fine. I highly doubt they have you on a "no fly list" for voting or something.

However, they may have you on a list that will keep you from going within 100 yards of a Hooters if they're monitoring your posts on OO.
Funny you mention this as my friend has offered to take me out to eat when I put his pc together for him and one of the places he mentioned was Hooters. Ive never been. Maybe it time I go a go-go.
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GreenGoo wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:32 pm Maybe if they want Hooters to go out of business.
I don't think THAT'S on the menu.
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hepcat wrote:
GreenGoo wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:32 pm Maybe if they want Hooters to go out of business.
I don't think THAT'S on the menu.
Actually, Hooters is struggling quite a bit right now. They were bought out by private equity a few years ago, are saddled with a ton of debt, and have closed around 50 locations during the last year. The one closest to me had been dying a slow death for years and finally went under during the summer. I haven't gone to a Hooters in more than 15 years because the food became terrible, but I also have a feeling the "presentation" has been falling out of favor for a long time...
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Maybe I better go while the goings still there.
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disarm wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:06 pm
hepcat wrote:
GreenGoo wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:32 pm Maybe if they want Hooters to go out of business.
I don't think THAT'S on the menu.
Actually, Hooters is struggling quite a bit right now. They were bought out by private equity a few years ago, are saddled with a ton of debt, and have closed around 50 locations during the last year. The one closest to me had been dying a slow death for years and finally went under during the summer. I haven't gone to a Hooters in more than 15 years because the food became terrible, but I also have a feeling the "presentation" has been falling out of favor for a long time...
So you’re saying Daehawk should wear a tighter tank top when he goes?
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And the gimp mask, too.
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disarm wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:06 pm
hepcat wrote:
GreenGoo wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:32 pm Maybe if they want Hooters to go out of business.
I don't think THAT'S on the menu.
Actually, Hooters is struggling quite a bit right now. They were bought out by private equity a few years ago, are saddled with a ton of debt, and have closed around 50 locations during the last year. The one closest to me had been dying a slow death for years and finally went under during the summer. I haven't gone to a Hooters in more than 15 years because the food became terrible, but I also have a feeling the "presentation" has been falling out of favor for a long time...
Totally off topic, but anytime a private equity firm buys anything it's just a matter of time before the quality goes down and the company is either sold or out of business. Private equity firms exist solely to milk the hell out of something and then move on.
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Yep...like what Richard Gere played in Pretty Woman. I n=used to never figure why they'd sell to a place like that knowing what would happen. But once an adult I figured they were just happy that someone was giving some money at all for it and be happy with it.
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Scraper wrote:
disarm wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:06 pm
hepcat wrote:
GreenGoo wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 4:32 pm Maybe if they want Hooters to go out of business.
I don't think THAT'S on the menu.
Actually, Hooters is struggling quite a bit right now. They were bought out by private equity a few years ago, are saddled with a ton of debt, and have closed around 50 locations during the last year. The one closest to me had been dying a slow death for years and finally went under during the summer. I haven't gone to a Hooters in more than 15 years because the food became terrible, but I also have a feeling the "presentation" has been falling out of favor for a long time...
Totally off topic, but anytime a private equity firm buys anything it's just a matter of time before the quality goes down and the company is either sold or out of business. Private equity firms exist solely to milk the hell out of something and then move on.
Yep... that's exactly the plan. Buy a struggling business, saddle it with debt, drive it into the ground so you can declare bankruptcy and write off the debt, laugh all the way to the bank. Happens again and again...
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Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:10 am Yep...like what Richard Gere played in Pretty Woman. I n=used to never figure why they'd sell to a place like that knowing what would happen. But once an adult I figured they were just happy that someone was giving some money at all for it and be happy with it.
The super predatory ones will actively hurt the business if they refuse to sell to them. They will cut off suppliers, campaign against them, etc. Some of these firms have a lot of capital too and a multitude of businesses that they own, so it's easy to push around a regular company, even if they are a large and established company.

I'm pretty sure Last Week tonight has done some episodes on their tactics.
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Scraper wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:22 am
Daehawk wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:10 am Yep...like what Richard Gere played in Pretty Woman. I n=used to never figure why they'd sell to a place like that knowing what would happen. But once an adult I figured they were just happy that someone was giving some money at all for it and be happy with it.
The super predatory ones will actively hurt the business if they refuse to sell to them. They will cut off suppliers, campaign against them, etc. Some of these firms have a lot of capital too and a multitude of businesses that they own, so it's easy to push around a regular company, even if they are a large and established company.

I'm pretty sure Last Week tonight has done some episodes on their tactics.
Private Equity called by the title "activist Investors" working against the company can be the worst.
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Local board members in Georgia can't refuse to certify election results, judge rules
Local election board members in Georgia cannot refuse to certify election results in any scenario, even if they report concerns about fraud or errors, a state judge ruled Tuesday.

“If election superintendents were, as Plaintiff urges, free to play investigator, prosecutor, jury, and judge and so — because of a unilateral determination of error or fraud — refuse to certify election results, Georgia voters would be silenced,” Fulton County Superior Judge Robert McBurney wrote in his decision. “Our Constitution and our Election Code do not allow for that to happen.”

The ruling comes as several Republican local election board members have already declined to certify election results from primary contests earlier this year and after the Georgia State Election Board passed new rules that appeared to allow this discretion. Georgia’s Republican secretary of state has long emphasized that certification is not optional under Georgia law.

Julie Adams, a Republican on the Fulton County Board of Elections, asked the court to rule that her duty to certify is discretionary – not mandatory. Adams has declined to certify multiple elections this year.
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“[Election s]uperintendents are rule-writers, personnel trainers and managers, logisticians, marketers, and accountants. Much of what they do is left to their broad, reasoned discretion. But not everything — some things an election superintendent must do, either in a certain way or by a certain time, with no discretion to do otherwise,” McBurney wrote.

“While the superintendent must investigate concerns about miscounts and must report those concerns to a prosecutor if they persist after she investigates, the existence of those concerns, those doubts, and those worries is not cause to delay or decline certification,” he wrote.
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Judge rules GA election boards can’t delay certification over “concerns” about fraud:

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/georgi ... -concerns/

IE, the state board was acting illegally when they voted to allow this.
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Another one:

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Georgia judge invalidates more controversial election rules

One day after a Georgia judge invalidated the state's controversial "hand count" rule, a separate judge Wednesday evening invalidated even more rules that were passed by the Republican-led state election board, declaring them "unlawful and void."

Fulton County Judge Thomas Cox ruled after an hours-long hearing to invalidate seven rules total, including the hand count rule, finding in part that the board did not have the authority to enact them.
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The rules now invalidated include a rule calling county officials to certify election results after "reasonable inquiry."

Cox wrote in his order that rule "adds an additional and undefined step into the certification process" and that it is "inconsistent with and unsupported" by state law.

He also invalidated a rule that "requires that a person delivering an absentee ballot provide a signature and photo ID at the time the absentee ballot is delivered."
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2020 was a trial run for the MAGA election denier asshats. Now they have upped their game. Unfortunately for them the pro democracy crowd is wise to their antics now and is taking steps to counter and block their antics.
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Are we a failed state yet:

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"Wield fire hoses" conjures up some interesting images.
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Grifman wrote: Sun Oct 20, 2024 12:18 pm Are we a failed state yet:
Would be easier to bring in the UN peacekeepers.
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