NCAA Football 2024 season

[Scuzz]

I didn’t know Michigan’s Orji had a brother who played linebacker for the Saints. Orji’s brothers both played at Vanderbilt.

[Lassr]

My concern about Alabama's loss is less about the loss and more about Malichi Moore's behavior on the field. He threw a tantrum, kicked the ball away from the officials (was flagged) and threw his mouthpiece. What's even possibly worse - the coaches tried to pull him and he refused to leave the field. I'm concerned that this might be a sign of larger discipline issues with this coaching staff.

I never heard of DeBoer having problems with players at Washington or Fresno State.

I have to believe a lot is related to NIL and the Portal. If you coach like Saban now, how many kids will just say "I'm outta here." It is harder to hold them accountable. DeBoer may be a lot looser, but I Imagine you have to be these days, one of the reasons Saban retired.

[Pyperkub]

My concern about Alabama's loss is less about the loss and more about Malichi Moore's behavior on the field. He threw a tantrum, kicked the ball away from the officials (was flagged) and threw his mouthpiece. What's even possibly worse - the coaches tried to pull him and he refused to leave the field. I'm concerned that this might be a sign of larger discipline issues with this coaching staff.

I never heard of DeBoer having problems with players at Washington or Fresno State.

I have to believe a lot is related to NIL and the Portal. If you coach like Saban now, how many kids will just say "I'm outta here." It is harder to hold them accountable. DeBoer may be a lot looser, but I Imagine you have to be these days, one of the reasons Saban retired.

Yup. This does feel a bit like the garbage Saban was dealing with the day after the loss to Michigan in the Rose Bowl that was probably the last straw in not wanting to coach anymore.

But also related to Bama actually losing to Vandy. The defense obviously didn't take it seriously, others too, probably. Despite Vandy playing really well at home this year.

[Isgrimnur]

NCAA approves elimination of national letter of intent program

Established in 1964, the NLI program has existed as the formal, binding agreement between prospective athletes and college programs for the past 60 years. The NLI will be replaced by a new financial aid agreement that will provide many of the same core functions as the NLI and will likely be tied to a contract related to an impending revenue-sharing model across college athletics.

Under the new rules, transfer athletes will be allowed to sign with a new school after they've formally entered the portal. Per the NCAA, once a prospect has signed a written offer of athletic aid, other schools will be "prohibited from recruiting communications."

The Division I Council's move to nix the NLI program comes as the NCAA and college athletics prepare for sweeping change via the impending House settlement, which is set to grant roughly $2.8 billion in damages to former and current college athletes and pave the way for college programs to begin paying their athletes more than $20 million annually as soon as next fall.

A final hearing to approve the settlement is scheduled for April 7, 2025.

[msduncan]

My concern about Alabama's loss is less about the loss and more about Malichi Moore's behavior on the field. He threw a tantrum, kicked the ball away from the officials (was flagged) and threw his mouthpiece. What's even possibly worse - the coaches tried to pull him and he refused to leave the field. I'm concerned that this might be a sign of larger discipline issues with this coaching staff.

I never heard of DeBoer having problems with players at Washington or Fresno State.

I have to believe a lot is related to NIL and the Portal. If you coach like Saban now, how many kids will just say "I'm outta here." It is harder to hold them accountable. DeBoer may be a lot looser, but I Imagine you have to be these days, one of the reasons Saban retired.

That, and also these by and large aren't DeBoer's players. I don't know if that makes a difference in this NIL era, but I would think players he developed relationships with and recruited might respond to him a little faster.

[Skinypupy]

Tonight will most likely determine Utah's path forward for the rest of the season. Cam Rising is supposed to return after missing 3 games with a dislocated finger on his throwing hand. While we took care of business in Stillwater, that win is looking less and less and less impressive...especially after our head-scratching loss at home to Arizona last week.

With only one loss, the path to the B12 title is still very much in play. If Utah (coming off a bye) can take care of a better-than-expected ASU team with an offense that looks at least semi-competent under Rising, then the ship will definitely feel righted. If we don't...hoo boy. Things might get ugly in a hurry.

I won't even get to watch, as I'm taking the kids to their first concert tonight. Maybe that'll be good for my blood pressure.

[Scuzz]

Tonight will most likely determine Utah's path forward for the rest of the season. Cam Rising is supposed to return after missing 3 games with a dislocated finger on his throwing hand. While we took care of business in Stillwater, that win is looking less and less and less impressive...especially after our head-scratching loss at home to Arizona last week.

With only one loss, the path to the B12 title is still very much in play. If Utah (coming off a bye) can take care of a better-than-expected ASU team with an offense that looks at least semi-competent under Rising, then the ship will definitely feel righted. If we don't...hoo boy. Things might get ugly in a hurry.

I won't even get to watch, as I'm taking the kids to their first concert tonight. Maybe that'll be good for my blood pressure.

Assuming Utah can stop their running game they should dominate this game.

Right now Cam Rising looks terrible.

[Scuzz]

Both coaches have done their best to help the other team win.

[Isgrimnur]

our head-scratching loss at home to Arizona last week.

Two weeks. Arizona lost to Texas Tech last week.

[Skinypupy]

Sounds like it’s a good thing that I went to a concert and didn’t even bother to check the score until this morning.

Season’s over and it looks like it’s probably time to move on from Rising and develop Wilson. We were all hoping he’d make a strong comeback, but it ain’t happening. Reminds me of when Charlie Brewer set every possible passing record at Baylor, got injured, then transferred to Utah and was simply never the same. Really sucks, but some dudes just cant ever make it back.

Also, I read multiple reports that ASU rushed the field and tore down the goalposts. After beating…Utah? lol, ok

[Skinypupy]

our head-scratching loss at home to Arizona last week.

Two weeks. Arizona lost to Texas Tech last week.

Even worse. Two weeks to prepare and the best you can come up with is…that?

I’m getting the sense this might be Whit’s last year at the helm. He’s making completely baffling coaching decisions and just doesn’t seem to be enjoying himself very much. Granted you have to improvise a bit when down 6 defensive starters and either a gimpy senior citizen or a true freshman at QB, but some of these play calls and personnel decisions have been really baffling.

[Scuzz]

Sounds like it’s a good thing that I went to a concert and didn’t even bother to check the score until this morning.

Season’s over and it looks like it’s probably time to move on from Rising and develop Wilson. We were all hoping he’d make a strong comeback, but it ain’t happening. Reminds me of when Charlie Brewer set every possible passing record at Baylor, got injured, then transferred to Utah and was simply never the same. Really sucks, but some dudes just cant ever make it back.

Also, I read multiple reports that ASU rushed the field and tore down the goalposts. After beating…Utah? lol, ok

ASU last year was one of the most pathetic teams I have ever seen. Fresno State beat them something like 35-0. They used 4 QB’s iirc and turned the ball over half a dozen times. Watching them against Utah you would never have thought that was the same team. And ASU did it while going for it on fourth downs, and failing, several times.

Agreed, tearing down the goal posts was an overreaction. But maybe that shows how low they were and how high Utah has come.

[Pyperkub]

I was thinking UCLA might go after Dillingham if Foster doesn't get it turned around in the next year or 2.( by no means do I think it's time, heck, they are still figuring out who their best personnel are and had a really late start with no chance at the portal or recruiting, but if we don't start improving faster? I thought he might be someone we would look at, is all)

Looking like he might get grabbed before then by someone from the Big 2. He is an ASU alum tho. Also coached at Auburn for a spell too.

Jonathan Smith left his alma mater of Oregon St for Michigan st, after all.

[Carpet_pissr]

Oh well. gg

[ImLawBoy]

I read that Ryan Day is 1-7 against top 5 teams. Normally that's not too damning of a stat as you'd expect teams to have a poor record against the top 5. The problem here is that OSU was also ranked in the top 5 for all of those games.

I think the Big 10 is seeing part of the downside of being a coast-to-coast league. It's really hard for road teams travel 2 or 3 time zones and be competitive. Michigan beat a traveling USC, but lost on the road to a middling Washington team. Washington lost at Rutgers and gave up 40(!) on the road at Iowa (!!!). Penn State barely squeaked one out against an overmatched (on paper) USC in LA. OSU-Oregon was a good, close game, but the home team won. This travel is going to make it even harder for a team to finish unbeaten.

[Skinypupy]

Cam Rising likely done for the season. Again.

Love the guy and appreciate everything he did here (the back-to-back P12 titles he willed Utah to are our high water mark), but he simply can't stay on the field. He's now played one full game in the past two years (last week) and was hobbled with a serious injury for most of it. It's time to move on.

Nearly all the playoff predictions for this year's Utah team came with the big "IF" that Rising would be back and healthy. Since he's been the exact opposite, our season appears to be going down the tubes quickly. Oh well...

Edit: Confirmed it’s season ending. Shitty way for an Utah legend to go out.

[Scuzz]

Why didn’t Whittington switch QB’s in the last game if the injury occurred in the first quarter?

[Skinypupy]

Why didn’t Whittington switch QB’s in the last game if the injury occurred in the first quarter?

That is the million dollar question.

[Unagi]

an Utah

/needlessly pedantic


I mean, I would think you would know (cause, Utah) - so, I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong here - but...
I don't think "an" goes before "Utah".


The rule isn't vowels, so much as the sounds they make...

You can send a Yule log to a Utah Legend overnight, but an honest Utal legend could get a Yule log in an hour.

[LawBeefaroni]

an Utah

/needlessly pedantic


I mean, I would think you would know (cause, Utah) - so, I'm open to the idea that I'm wrong here - but...
I don't think "an" goes before "Utah".


The rule isn't vowels, so much as the sounds they make...

You can send a Yule log to a Utah Legend overnight, but an honest Utal legend could get a Yule log in an hour.

Have to add a agreeing voice here.

Impartial source:
https://www.a-or-an.com/rules/when_to_use_a_vs_an

[Hyena]

Cam Rising likely done for the season. Again.

Love the guy and appreciate everything he did here (the back-to-back P12 titles he willed Utah to are our high water mark), but he simply can't stay on the field. He's now played one full game in the past two years (last week) and was hobbled with a serious injury for most of it. It's time to move on.

Nearly all the playoff predictions for this year's Utah team came with the big "IF" that Rising would be back and healthy. Since he's been the exact opposite, our season appears to be going down the tubes quickly. Oh well...

Edit: Confirmed it’s season ending. Shitty way for an Utah legend to go out.

But hey, at least you guys get the equivalent of another bye week against my Horned Frogs. If you can hand the ball off to anyone with two functioning legs (and even that's optional, I've seen some grandpas move pretty quick with a cane) you will come out on the winning side against us.

Sonny is NOT the answer for TCU, as some on here have correctly pointed out, and I'm not sure anyone has told him it's not like the NFL where if you suck bad enough you'll get the first draft pick.

[Unagi]

Have to add a agreeing voice here.

Impartial source:
https://www.a-or-an.com/rules/when_to_use_a_vs_an

you did that on purpose.

[Skinypupy]

Cam Rising likely done for the season. Again.

Love the guy and appreciate everything he did here (the back-to-back P12 titles he willed Utah to are our high water mark), but he simply can't stay on the field. He's now played one full game in the past two years (last week) and was hobbled with a serious injury for most of it. It's time to move on.

Nearly all the playoff predictions for this year's Utah team came with the big "IF" that Rising would be back and healthy. Since he's been the exact opposite, our season appears to be going down the tubes quickly. Oh well...

Edit: Confirmed it’s season ending. Shitty way for an Utah legend to go out.

But hey, at least you guys get the equivalent of another bye week against my Horned Frogs. If you can hand the ball off to anyone with two functioning legs (and even that's optional, I've seen some grandpas move pretty quick with a cane) you will come out on the winning side against us.

Sonny is NOT the answer for TCU, as some on here have correctly pointed out, and I'm not sure anyone has told him it's not like the NFL where if you suck bad enough you'll get the first draft pick.

If it’s any consolation, we’ve had very little offense whatsoever this year. So it may be inept offense vs inept defense deciding this game.

I’m bummed I won’t be able to be there, as my daughter has a band competition that night.

[Isgrimnur]

NCAA closes loophole after Oregon's 12-man penalty

The NCAA is closing the loophole used by Oregon to shave time off the game clock at the end of Saturday's win over Ohio State.

In a release Wednesday, the NCAA issued a new rules interpretation on how to handle a penalty for 12 players on the field in the final two minutes of either half. If the defense has 12 players actively participate in the down, the offense can choose, along with the 5-yard penalty, to have the game clock reset to the time that had been displayed at the snap.
...
Just before the ball was snapped, Oregon defensive back Dontae Manning walked onto the field, giving the Ducks an extra defender. Ohio State failed to complete a pass against Oregon's 12-man defense, and the Ducks were flagged for an illegal substitution penalty, surrendering 5 yards but also taking four seconds off the clock. A scramble by Ohio State quarterback Will Howard on the next play ended the game.

Such a ploy will no longer work going forward, as NCAA football secretary-rules editor Steve Shaw said in a statement that they were looking to "take away any gain for the defense" from committing an intentional penalty.

[JCC]

Possibly the quickest, correct rule change in NCAA history. How refreshing.

[Skinypupy]

Lack of discipline bites Alabama again, followed by a really weird decision to go for it on 4th and 22 with three time outs and 2 minutes remaining.

Seems DeBoer’s seat is red hot six games in.

[disarm]

Hoosiers steamroll another opponent!
Their biggest challenges are still a couple weeks away (Michigan, then Ohio State), but they're still looking really strong. It's amazing that they've somehow managed to turn around 20 years of awful all at once, but I'll take it!

[Skinypupy]

Also, can we all collectively point and laugh at USC now, after losing to…Maryland? The most underperforming record money can buy!

Lincoln Riley is now 5-9 in his last 14 games. I suppose his seat is probably hotter at this point.

[Scuzz]

Also, can we all collectively point and laugh at USC now, after losing to…Maryland? The most underperforming record money can buy!

Lincoln Riley is now 5-9 in his last 14 games. I suppose his seat is probably hotter at this point.

He has to be the most disappointing hire in recent memory.

[Skinypupy]

I have no idea what happened, but this Utah team is simply broken. No fight, no effort, mental mistakes everywhere, lackluster play all over. As un-Utah like as I’ve seen in years.

At least I can go to bed early…not staying up for this debacle.

[Scuzz]

I have no idea what happened, but this Utah team is simply broken. No fight, no effort, mental mistakes everywhere, lackluster play all over. As un-Utah like as I’ve seen in years.

At least I can go to bed early…not staying up for this debacle.

I think you’re seeing an offense that is designed for Rising being operated by a QB best suited for a different style. The Utes defense seems to be okay, they just have trouble scoring.

Of course the whole Big12 seems pretty weak this year.

[JCC]

For all the quite reasonable worries ACC and Big 12 fans have for the long term viability of being able to keep up with the SEC and Big 10 (because they can't), the 2 super conferences have certainly provided plenty of entertaning games and upsets so far.

[Skinypupy]

I have no idea what happened, but this Utah team is simply broken. No fight, no effort, mental mistakes everywhere, lackluster play all over. As un-Utah like as I’ve seen in years.

At least I can go to bed early…not staying up for this debacle.

I think you’re seeing an offense that is designed for Rising being operated by a QB best suited for a different style. The Utes defense seems to be okay, they just have trouble scoring.

Of course the whole Big12 seems pretty weak this year.

That’s definitely some of it, but I think it’s more than that. Utah has never had the most elite talent, but always made up for it by being tough and physical, and with smart coaching. Both of those things have disappeared completely this year, and it’s really tough to figure out how or why. Unless Coach Whit has simply checked out knowing he’s gone at season’s end, which is entirely possible I guess

Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see OC Ludwig fired tomorrow. His play calling has been truly abysmal over the past three games.

There’s also the reality that the P12 was simply not very good. The record of P12 teams in their new conferences this year:

Arizona 1-3
Utah 1-3
ASU 2-2
Colorado 3-1
Cal 0-4
Stanford 1-3
UCLA 1-4
USC 1-4
Washington 2-2
Oregon 4-0

Outside of Oregon, that’s fairly abysmal.

[Pyperkub]

Also, can we all collectively point and laugh at USC now, after losing to…Maryland? The most underperforming record money can buy!

Lincoln Riley is now 5-9 in his last 14 games. I suppose his seat is probably hotter at this point.

He has to be the most disappointing hire in recent memory.

I never felt he was the right guy for SC. It was a huge coup to steal him from Oklahoma, and splashy, but he didn't feel like the right fit to me. SC's always been able to get dominant linemen and run the ball. It has been their strength, and their best coaches leaned hard into that - Carroll had an explosive passing game, but it was all predicated upon being able to run the ball at will. Riley was never that guy.

D'Anton Lynn, who left UCLA for USC as DC has to be wondering. I'm sure he felt that Chip Kelly had some heat, and may not have been all in, and thought a move to SC would be better than hitching his wagon to Chip Kelly (and the pay was fantastic, I expect), but he could well have ended up the HC at UCLA if he had stayed, and now may be on the chopping block at SC if Riley gets let go, tho I do think Riley will get at least one more year (or at least a portion of another year, given how many coaches SC has fired midseason lately). Of course, he could end up interim at SC if that happens...

On the other hand, DeShaun Foster got his first B1G win yesterday. It has been a brutal schedule, and the coaching staff had its hands full with a very, very late start, no real time to put the system in for Spring, and an OL which, while trying to learn a new system, couldn't stay on the field, until recently. UCLA is still a major work in progress, and the coaching is still trying to catch up and figure out the team, but also rapidly improving every week. One huge thing is that even during the 5 game losing streak, the team never gave up on the coaches, no players redshirted themselves to transfer out, and pretty much everyone, coaches/staff/players have all been 100% in and not looking elsewhere and staying together. There's still a long way to go, but the rest of the games on the schedule are all winnable, and we probably won't be seeing any more double-digit spreads against, even tho every team remaining has a winning record. It's a challenging schedule, but UCLA should have a decent chance to win each game.

Given today's players, I do think that UCLA's team cohesion and culture, if you will, has been amazing, and should continue to bear fruit - HUGE credit to the coaches for being able to carry that over. We still have some major holes tho - the new running game has been dreadful (even with the OL shuffling, it should be better, after leading the Pac12 in rushing last year), and the defense is really, really struggling to find a pass rush, and is getting picked apart as qb's have all day. Red Zone offense is still an issue after being dreadful last year, but was pretty great this week. Hoping to see a huge leap during the bye this week, going into November - next game @Nebraska in 2 weeks - Nebraska has been really good, until getting absolutely rolled by Indiana, and I doubt that our pass rush will generate enough pressure to make true frosh qb Raiola turn it over as much has he did v. Indiana, but we may be able to do enough.

[Skinypupy]

Wouldn’t surprise me at all to see OC Ludwig fired tomorrow. His play calling has been truly abysmal over the past three games.

Called it.

[Scuzz]

What kind of pressure leads to an offensive coordinator stepping down on a team that has played with a freshman backup QB all season?

Is Whittington trying to save his job?

[Skinypupy]

What kind of pressure leads to an offensive coordinator stepping down on a team that has played with a freshman backup QB all season?

Is Whittington trying to save his job?

Whittingham is untouchable at Utah. The stadium will be named after him when he decides to retire.

It was glaringly obvious that Ludwig needed to go. His play calling in the last three games has been absolutely atrocious, and has put what looks to be a pretty talented freshman QB in impossible positions. This change won’t fix all the woes, but I do think it’ll help in this situation.

Also Oklahoma fired their OC today too, so it ain’t just us.

[Lassr]

Lack of discipline bites Alabama again, followed by a really weird decision to go for it on 4th and 22 with three time outs and 2 minutes remaining.

Seems DeBoer’s seat is red hot six games in.

I think the seat is only hot with some fans. There was a lot of attrition when Saban retired and these aren't his guys. From what I read he's trying to fit his offense around what Milroe does best and often times they do not mix well.

I hope he's given a few years because he's been successful everywhere he's coach, but he needs time.

[Unagi]

Outside of Oregon, that’s fairly abysmal.

Colorado's one loss should be a win. Just sayin'

[Skinypupy]

Lack of discipline bites Alabama again, followed by a really weird decision to go for it on 4th and 22 with three time outs and 2 minutes remaining.

Seems DeBoer’s seat is red hot six games in.

I think the seat is only hot with some fans. There was a lot of attrition when Saban retired and these aren't his guys. From what I read he's trying to fit his offense around what Milroe does best and often times they do not mix well.

I hope he's given a few years because he's been successful everywhere he's coach, but he needs time.

Fully agree. I really like DeBoer and hope that irrational fan howling doesn't impact any decision making. I can't imagine it would, but the NIL era is...weird.

Thought this article was interesting: The fall of Alabama didn't start with Kalen DeBoer. It began last season

Outside of Oregon, that’s fairly abysmal.

Colorado's one loss should be a win. Just sayin'

I think the KSU loss and the Baylor win sort of cancel each other out, no?