Election integrity and the transfer of power

[Hyena]

It truly does amaze me the levels to which the right projects. Republicans are claiming that Dems are being "divisive and inflammatory" towards trump, preaching division and hate. Dems are the reason the country is so divided, because we called him a fascist and drove people to attempt unaliving him.

Um....whut?

[waitingtoconnect]

The whole garbage thing reminds me of the South Park episode https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/With_Ap ... se_Jackson .

In America often the “real victims” are white racists when called out on their racism.

It’s funny that when the racists laughed at calling Puerto Ricans garbage they can’t cope with being called garbage themselves.

[Jaymann]

Kinda gives new meaning to "white trash."

[Grifman]

[Punisher]

Kinda gives new meaning to "white trash."

Is it a new meaning though?

[Grifman]

Pre-planning:

[LordMortis]

Don't know if it's enough to save us but thank goodness (and the people responsible for it) there are people with enough integrity to speak up/leak against this stuff. It's the only hope I have for what the GOP has become. One does have to wonder how many things aren't being leak or have enough people with enough integrity to speak up, though.

[Skinypupy]

It’s a pretty good indicator that they’re all planning to lose, which is somewhat encouraging I suppose.

[Smoove_B]

It’s a pretty good indicator that they’re all planning to lose, which is somewhat encouraging I suppose.

I actually don't think they realistically were planning on legitimately winning in 2020 or 2024. Instead, they've changed their mindset to try and figure out how to subvert the entire process knowing a free and fair election is unwinnable for them.

And THAT should be terrifying to a large segment of the population.

[Carpet_pissr]

It’s a pretty good indicator that they’re all planning to lose, which is somewhat encouraging I suppose.

I actually don't think they realistically were planning on legitimately winning in 2020 or 2024. Instead, they've changed their mindset to try and figure out how to subvert the entire process knowing a free and fair election is unwinnable for them.

I 100% believe this.

[Skinypupy]

It certainly is. My hope is that since the strategy is that blindingly obvious to pretty much everyone, that the administration has been taking steps to prepare for it.

Guess we’ll see, but the fact that they’re all saying this quiet part out loud well ahead of the results ever being posted seems like it would take away some of the sincerity of their claims.

[Blackhawk]

They aren't planning to lose, not exactly.

They've always known that they were the losing side. That's why they've bent over backwards to change how elections are conducted. They know that if we had genuinely fair elections, they wouldn't control a fraction of what they do. It only makes sense that, regardless of their expectations, they'd have a plan B if their pre-election plans didn't work.

[YellowKing]

My wife was talking to a Puerto Rican co-worker who shared her early voting story. This lady went to the polls, the guy asked for her ID (which is now required in NC thanks to our corrupt GOP legislature), which she provided. He told her "she didn't look like the photo" and refused to give her a ballot. She protested and provided other corroborating evidence (date of birth, etc.) so he relented but then told her she wasn't registered to vote. This was a blatant lie, as she had already checked her registration.

She asked another election worker for assistance, who came over and gave her a ballot.

What this jackass didn't know is that my wife's friend was good friends with the county clerk, who assured her that this individual would no longer be working the polls come election day.

[Holman]

My wife was talking to a Puerto Rican co-worker who shared her early voting story. This lady went to the polls, the guy asked for her ID (which is now required in NC thanks to our corrupt GOP legislature), which she provided. He told her "she didn't look like the photo" and refused to give her a ballot. She protested and provided other corroborating evidence (date of birth, etc.) so he relented but then told her she wasn't registered to vote. This was a blatant lie, as she had already checked her registration.

She asked another election worker for assistance, who came over and gave her a ballot.

What this jackass didn't know is that my wife's friend was good friends with the county clerk, who assured her that this individual would no longer be working the polls come election day.

Everyone nationwide needs to know that if some asshole tries to deny their chance to vote, they have the legal right to ask for provisional ballot and a receipt for it.

Obviously, the provisional ballot will be investigated and a determination on its legitimacy will be made down the line, but NO ONE can be turned away from the polls without voting this way.

(For anyone's MAGA uncle hyperventilating over voter fraud, an undocumented person attempting to cast a provisional ballot is basically asking to be identified and arrested. And they know this.)

[stessier]

In South Carolina, the investigation you refer to is a hearing in front of a judge the Thursday after the election where you show your eligibility to vote. It's a bit of a hassle as there is no set time - you just have to be there the whole time until it is your turn.

[Unagi]

My wife was talking to a Puerto Rican co-worker who shared her early voting story. This lady went to the polls, the guy asked for her ID (which is now required in NC thanks to our corrupt GOP legislature), which she provided. He told her "she didn't look like the photo" and refused to give her a ballot. She protested and provided other corroborating evidence (date of birth, etc.) so he relented but then told her she wasn't registered to vote. This was a blatant lie, as she had already checked her registration.

She asked another election worker for assistance, who came over and gave her a ballot.

What this jackass didn't know is that my wife's friend was good friends with the county clerk, who assured her that this individual would no longer be working the polls come election day.

Everyone nationwide needs to know that if some asshole tries to deny their chance to vote, they have the legal right to ask for provisional ballot and a receipt for it.

Obviously, the provisional ballot will be investigated and a determination on its legitimacy will be made down the line, but NO ONE can be turned away from the polls without voting this way.

(For anyone's MAGA uncle hyperventilating over voter fraud, an undocumented person attempting to cast a provisional ballot is basically asking to be identified and arrested. And they know this.)

General question for anyone to answer...

Are provisional ballots counted 'then', or are they put into a pile - only to be counted when they are deemed 'legal' ?

[stessier]

After they are deemed legal. Once counted, you lose traceability to the person.

[Unagi]

Makes complete sense. Thank you.

[Grifman]

[LawBeefaroni]

Musk fucked around and didn't find out.

District Attorney Larry Krasner, a Democrat, had called the process a scam “designed to actually influence a national election” and asked that it be shut down.
...
The $1 million-a-day voter sweepstakes that Elon Musk ‘s political action committee is hosting in swing states can continue through Tuesday’s presidential election, a Pennsylvania judge ruled Monday.

[Grifman]

Giuliani is facing the music today:



If he keeps screwing around he’ll face jail for contemptz

[hepcat]

Can Trump wave a magic POTUS wand, yell Expelliarmus! and free Giuliani from all this?

Also, I think we should periodically rewatch this clip from the Rudy Giuliani Lifetime Network movie, Not Without My Hair Dye

[hepcat]

On the plus side, the Biden administration showing Americans what a real transfer of power is like...one without lying, whining, and blatant attempts to overthrow the decision...is really fantastic to see. One can only hope that through actions, they can show Americans the error of their ways.

[LawBeefaroni]

On the plus side, the Biden administration showing Americans what a real transfer of power is like...one without lying, whining, and blatant attempts to overthrow the decision...is really fantastic to see. One can only hope that through actions, they can show Americans the error of their ways.

All he's doing it making things easier for Trump. I wouldn’t have him do it any other way (other than maybe leave an upper decker in the master bathroom) but there is not some great victory in a peaceful transition or power. It should be expected and unremarkable.

Even ignoring Jan 6, remember Trump and his staff stealing everything that wasn't bolted down when they left?

At least build an almost imperceptible slant into the bowling alley.

[hepcat]

but there is not some great victory in a peaceful transition or power. It should be expected and unremarkable.

Welcome to a post Trump world!

[LawBeefaroni]

but there is not some great victory in a peaceful transition or power. It should be expected and unremarkable.

Welcome to a post Trump world!

If only it were post Trump.

[hepcat]

[Max Peck]

In Magamerica, you don't need to worry about a peaceful and orderly transfer of power if you never have a transfer of power.

[Grifman]

Liberal election conspiracies are just as stupid as conservative ones.

[Max Peck]

Liberal election conspiracy theories are just as stupid as conservative ones.

(Lightly Mortoned)

They probably are, unless they're satire, in which case they're merely dumb jokes instead of stupid theories.

[Blackhawk]

Liberal conspiracy theories are just as stupid as conservative ones.

(Lightly Mortoned)

(Slightly less lightly Mortoned)

[Grifman]

Liberal election conspiracy theories are just as stupid as conservative ones.

(Lightly Mortoned)

They probably are, unless they're satire, in which case they're merely dumb jokes instead of stupid theories.

I know satire, and these people are very serious - and dumb.

[Max Peck]

Liberal election conspiracy theories are just as stupid as conservative ones.

(Lightly Mortoned)

They probably are, unless they're satire, in which case they're merely dumb jokes instead of stupid theories.

I know satire, and these people are very serious - and dumb.

Ah, you need to be more specific then. I thought you were referring to the post immediately preceding yours.

Or were you...

[Victoria Raverna]

This? But the guy claimed to be a Republican.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

Unusual elements within the results.

The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.

Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.

...

The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.

There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called bullet ballots. In Presidential Races since 1980, these bullet ballots rarely account for more than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trump’s winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election, and when they do it warrants further investigation. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, bullet ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states the numbers are so high to be unbelievable, unprecedented and demanding of further investigation. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th

Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:

AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.

NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold.

It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.

For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ and NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.

ID <2K 0.03% of Trump’s total.

OR <4K 0.05% of Trump’s total

UT <1K 0.01% of Trump’s total.

In the case of Idaho and Utah, Mr. Trump was a run-away winner and had no need to add votes. In the case of Oregon, Ms. Harris was a run-away winner and adding votes to Trump’s total would add risk without adding value.

The same pattern of large numbers of drop-off votes or bullet ballots exists in the totals of MI, NC, PA, WI.

North Carolina is the most extreme. The public results indicate over 350K voters cast a ballot for Trump and no other race making up over 11% of Trump’s voters in NC drop off votes or bullet ballots.

[Grifman]

Liberal election conspiracy theories are just as stupid as conservative ones.

(Lightly Mortoned)

They probably are, unless they're satire, in which case they're merely dumb jokes instead of stupid theories.

I know satire, and these people are very serious - and dumb.

Ah, you need to be more specific then. I thought you were referring to the post immediately preceding yours.

Or were you...

I was just making a general comment after reading some liberal voter fraud theories on line.

[Grifman]

Interesting article on why CA takes so long to count votes, and why FL is so quick:

https://apnews.com/article/california-v ... 56ea929bc5

[Grifman]

This? But the guy claimed to be a Republican.

https://substack.com/home/post/p-151721941

Unusual elements within the results.

The results of the attack are improbable in the extreme and well tailored to the sole benefit of your opponent.

Approximately 600,000 votes are for Donald Trump but with no down ballot choices. These are either inserted “bullet ballots” for the Presidential race or manipulated data fields. They are surgically added to totals in limited jurisdictions and within only the seven swing States. This historically unprecedented set of numbers found in the 2024 swing states is absent in every other state. In AZ, MI, NC and WI the effect of these drop-off votes reverses the voters' will and even more improbably always pushes the winning margin beyond the mandatory recount numbers. It is a result too perfect for belief. It is a bespoke and programmed outcome. In other states including PA and NV, removing these strange and bespoke added votes, it appears Donald Trump may have won the cast votes but within a margin which would force recounts. The inserted votes raise his totals, to avoid any scrutiny during mandatory recount results which would have slowed his claim on the Presidency. In GA and FL the same pattern exists with unclear impact on the results.

...

The tell: A historically absurd number of Trump-only bullet ballots or undervote ballots.

There are always a handful of voters who cast a vote in one race which they care about, and do not make other selections on the ballot. These are called bullet ballots. In Presidential Races since 1980, these bullet ballots rarely account for more than 1% of the total votes including in Mr. Trump’s winning 2016 election and losing 2020 election, and when they do it warrants further investigation. In 2024 in the 43 non-swing states, bullet ballots make up a nominal >1%. In the seven swing states the numbers are so high to be unbelievable, unprecedented and demanding of further investigation. Here is analysis from totals as of late Nov. 12th

Here are the unprecedented results of drop-offs in the two western swing states:

AZ - 123K+ 7.2%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to reverse the outcome.

NV - 43K+ 5.5%+ of Trump’s total vote. Enough to exceed recount threshold.

It is my belief these two states have illegally added votes.

For comparison, examine Trump’s 2024 results in three states which border AZ and NV. They have equally passionate Trump supporters, but have the normal levels of drop off or bullet ballots.

ID <2K 0.03% of Trump’s total.

OR <4K 0.05% of Trump’s total

UT <1K 0.01% of Trump’s total.

In the case of Idaho and Utah, Mr. Trump was a run-away winner and had no need to add votes. In the case of Oregon, Ms. Harris was a run-away winner and adding votes to Trump’s total would add risk without adding value.

The same pattern of large numbers of drop-off votes or bullet ballots exists in the totals of MI, NC, PA, WI.

North Carolina is the most extreme. The public results indicate over 350K voters cast a ballot for Trump and no other race making up over 11% of Trump’s voters in NC drop off votes or bullet ballots.

No, afraid not:

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... -the-2024/


A couple points:

1). Almost no state has voting machines connected to the internet, so they blows one link in his theory out of the water.
2). His post reveals ignorance of the post vote verification process used to validate an election. For example in NC there are random hand counts made of mail in ballots, Election Day ballots, etc all to prove the machine counts. And I know other states have similar procedures. So states are doing the vey thing he says they need to do. Not 100% of all ballots, but enough to find anything like he proposes.

[Max Peck]

Yeah, if there are real anomalies in the statistical data, we'll hear about it from multiple analysts. Even before doing any fact-checking I'd be highly skeptical of any "lone voice in the wilderness" immediately calling out widespread fraud. OTOH, I wouldn't worry about "stupid liberal election conspiracy theories" too much, at least in the short term. I suspect a lot of it is just cope and most people who aren't already living in the fringe will get over it soon enough. They'll have very real issues to be outraged over in just a few more weeks.

[Grifman]

Giuliani facing possible contempt charges:

[Grifman]

What a waste of money: