Max Peck wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 12:07 pm
I vote "Yes" for Trumponomics over Trumponics. And call dibs on Trumpariffs™ if/when the new tariffs happen (even if he uses them to slap at Canada and Mexico instead of China).
Trumponomics relates to his economics
Trumponics relates to his hydroponics
Zarathud wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 2:11 am
You are so cute thinking Trump will be restrained. That’s wishful thinking. He’ll cut deals based on his narcissistic ego. Anyone he deals with can be backstabbed at any time for perceived gain. Ask Mike Pence.
Dunno if you were speaking to me, but I never stated otherwise. Just laying out some observations. We're all in the same handbasket.
I mean, I agree - it's not going to be as bad as the worst-case scenarios that people are floating. He's not going to be able to pull off all 93 of his promises. But that doesn't mean it's not going to be horrible, especially for the groups that are under his crosshairs (which is technically anyone not a straight white Christian male, although some are further down the list than others.)
People who aren't in one of those affected groups shouldn't be telling people what to worry about.
Victoria Raverna wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2024 8:33 pm
Don't worry too much. The world survived 4 years of Trump before. It'll survive another 4 years.
It is not going to be as bad as what people feared.
Survival is a low bar.
What a weird thing for you to say. Like so weird.
That message could be applied to every single thing you have posted in the last year.
"Don't worry too much, VR. The world will survive this attack on Gaza."
I won't be. It's fair to do so, but I think it's counterproductive. If people are constantly rubbing their noses in it (deservedly!), it will become a point of pride to deny it and lash out. If people are going to wake up, they need to realize the impact on their own, without already being conditioned to deny it.
How many chances to they get to wake up on their own? At some point you have to force them out of bed or just leave them.
God knows I'm not going to want to bail out someone who voted their own job away or shelter someone who voted for their own deportation. My resources are best used on someone who didn't' choose to let the world burn.
I'm not talking about bailing them out. In a year when prices are so high that they can't buy food, they'll look for answers. If we've already taken the real answer and turned it into something that they see as a point of pride to deny, they'll find a different answer, and never see the real one.
As long as both sides keep hanging onto spite and revenge as a way to 'get back at' the people who screwed them over, this will never end. We've got that cycle now - we win and treat them like shit, then they win and treat us like shit, then we win... It's getting us nowhere.
I have much less faith in people than you.
I think that the people who wanted king Trump will never see the real answer. Sure they might look for different answers but not the real one.
Especially when the real answer IS "hey. You did this and got what you wanted". As you say, their pride won't let them take blame.
No matter what Trump does, he wouldn't have been able to do anything if the majority of the people didn't want it in the first place.