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I wonder how Germany respond if they were attacked.
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North Korean expeditionary soldiers are surely aware that their families are registered. If they surrender, their loved ones will suffer.

If this sounds crazy, it's how NK defectors have always been treated.
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Was that because he endorsed Harris?
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Daehawk wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:16 pm [Russia is Done!]
India is Killing China!

F16 Destroys Russia!

Civil War Erupts! (in Iran)

Civil War Erupts! (in Russia)

Putin is Done!

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It's War! (China and Japan)

It's War! (China and North Korea)

It's War! (Israel and France)

It's War! (Israel and... Ireland?)

These are the actual titles of that creator's videos. These are not news. These are absurd.
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In the latest Ukraine news, apparently NK soldiers (who have never before had unfettered internet access) are absolutely gorging on porn.
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Holman wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:50 pm In the latest Ukraine news, apparently NK soldiers (who have never before had unfettered internet access) are absolutely gorging on porn.
Spoilered because of language. And for people who haven't seen HBO's Generation Kill:
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Cpl. Ray Person : Yeah, yeah, you should quote me on it, you know what, you should definitely quote me on it, this whole thing comes down to pussy! Look, if you take the Republican Guard and comp their asses for a week in Vegas, no fucking war!

Evan 'Scribe' Wright : So the war is not about oil or WMDs.

Cpl. Ray Person : No, in the opinion of this Marine, its about pussy.

Evan 'Scribe' Wright : And its not about Saddam.

Cpl. Ray Person : No, Saddam is just part of the problem, if Saddam invested more in the pussy infrastructure of Iraq than he did in his fucking gay ass army, then this country would be no more fucked up than say, Mexico.

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Of course, under classic Stalinism, even victorious NK soldiers would be sent to the Gulag due to their exposure to corrupting Western influences.
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raydude wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:56 pm
Holman wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:50 pm In the latest Ukraine news, apparently NK soldiers (who have never before had unfettered internet access) are absolutely gorging on porn.
Spoilered because of language. And for people who haven't seen HBO's Generation Kill:
Spoiler:
Cpl. Ray Person : Yeah, yeah, you should quote me on it, you know what, you should definitely quote me on it, this whole thing comes down to pussy! Look, if you take the Republican Guard and comp their asses for a week in Vegas, no fucking war!

Evan 'Scribe' Wright : So the war is not about oil or WMDs.

Cpl. Ray Person : No, in the opinion of this Marine, its about pussy.

Evan 'Scribe' Wright : And its not about Saddam.

Cpl. Ray Person : No, Saddam is just part of the problem, if Saddam invested more in the pussy infrastructure of Iraq than he did in his fucking gay ass army, then this country would be no more fucked up than say, Mexico.

Sgt. Brad 'Iceman' Colbert : Ray, please shut up... thank you.
That's pretty funny! (I had never seen it before)
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I guess we're going to see how well the Norks can fight.

Ukraine says forces clash with North Korean troops for first time
Ukrainian troops have clashed with North Korean forces for the first time, according to senior Ukrainian officials — a development that would open a “new page of instability in the world,” President Volodymyr Zelensky said.

On Tuesday, Ukrainian Defense Minister Rustem Umerov, speaking to South Korean television network KBS, said that there were “already contacts” between the two sides, and that Ukrainian officials expected a “more significant number” in the next weeks, which they would “review and analyze.”

Russian forces had provided the North Korean troops with “training of a one-month period,” which is now being shortened, sometimes to one week, “so that they can get engagement on the battlefield,” Umerov said.

A Ukrainian official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, confirmed Wednesday there had been “small-scale clashes” between Ukrainian and North Korean soldiers, but he did not provide further details.
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Ukraine is my biggest, immediate concern post election.
I hope we send the remaining promised F16s and assorted munitions as after Jan, that well is going to dry up immediately.

Granted, other nations have stepped up but without the US, I fear for their future.
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I guess we'll soon see Trump's masterplan for ending the war. Personally, I suspect it involves an AGM-114R-9X and precise knowledge of Zelenskyy's location. :coffee:
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Brian wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:28 pm Ukraine is my biggest, immediate concern post election.
I hope we send the remaining promised F16s and assorted munitions as after Jan, that well is going to dry up immediately.

Granted, other nations have stepped up but without the US, I fear for their future.
+1.

Maybe Biden can push them a stockpile and loosen the restrictions prior to January. It might not be enough, but it'd be something.
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Honestly, I doubt he'll do anything. He proved in his last presidency that recognition is all he really wanted. After the election, he fucked off to play golf for 90 percent of his term. Only showing up when he thought there was a photo op or a way to get his name in the papers.

I contend that the worst that could have happened to Trump is his winning. He ran as a populist and now he's going to prove he can't fulfill those promises.
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I wouldn't put it past him to withdraw all support from Ukraine merely out of spite.

Also, I'm sure his leash holder will be asking for that soon enough.
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Given that Trump is unlikely to be the candidate in 2028 (whether due to term limits or age), the GOP doesn't really need to bow to him like they used to. If they have Congress, and Trump is interfering with what they want to achieve, I'd expect to see President Vance sworn in.
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Brian wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 12:51 pm I wouldn't put it past him to withdraw all support from Ukraine merely out of spite.

Also, I'm sure his leash holder will be asking for that soon enough.
This. Plus it's so easy to get him to do stuff. Just stroke his ego like he's another john in the red light district and he'll do whatever you want. His handlers have it made.
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All support will drop. Ukraine is history.
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Unagi wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 7:37 pm All support will drop. Ukraine is history.
It won't just drop, it will switch. The US will actively share intelligence with Russia and Musk will probably tap Starlink.

Poland will be in jeopardy because we won't support NATO.
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One question I have is what is the Biden administration able and willing to ship to Ukraine in the next three months before the barbarians take over.

Another question is to what extent is the EU able and willing to step up to fill in the coming U.S. gap in Ukraine, and in the common defense of Europe.
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It's almost as if people are the problem.
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Well, we called Putin's bluff.

I hope.
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Or after the election, we saw some shit and raised the stakes before time is called. Scary.
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Excellent news. I was wondering if the latest attacks on the energy grid would make that more likely.
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Russian ballet star Vladimir Shklyarov dies after falling from building
In the days after Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Shklyarov was quoted as speaking out in support of peace.

“I am against the war in Ukraine! I am for the people, for a peaceful sky above our heads!” he was quoted as saying in a Facebook post by Alexei Ratmansky, a Russian-Ukrainian former ballet dancer.

Ratmansky, a former director of Moscow’s Bolshoi Ballet, had been collecting anti-war messages from other figures in the ballet world.

Shklyarov was married to Maria Shirinkina, a fellow dancer at the Mariinsky. The couple had two children, a son and a daughter.
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Is this normal and temporary closure? Or sign of the west abandoning Ukraine?

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Victoria Raverna wrote: Wed Nov 20, 2024 9:10 pm Is this normal and temporary closure? Or sign of the west abandoning Ukraine?
It's a sign of countries getting their embassy staff out of harm's way as direct attacks intensify.
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The US (and Britain, apparently) just made a policy decision that makes us more of a direct target for Russian attacks. They're not likely to try and hit Alaska or anything, but we don't want to be leaving Ambassadors in 'accident' territory, either.
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Russia fired new ballistic missile at Ukraine, Putin says
Russia fired a hypersonic intermediate-range ballistic missile at the Ukrainian city of Dnipro on Thursday in response to the U.S. and UK's allowing Kyiv to strike Russian territory with advanced Western weapons, in a further escalation of the 33-month-old war.

Russian President Vladimir Putin, in a televised address, said Moscow struck a Ukrainian military facility with a new medium-range, hypersonic ballistic missile known as "Oreshnik" (the hazel) and warned that more could follow. He said civilians would be warned ahead of further strikes with such weapons.
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A U.S. official said Russia notified Washington shortly before its strike, while another official said the U.S. had briefed Kyiv and allies to prepare for the possible use of such a weapon.

Kyiv initially suggested Russia fired an intercontinental ballistic missile, a weapon designed for long-distance nuclear strikes and never before used in war.

But U.S. officials and NATO echoed Putin's description of the weapon as an intermediate-range ballistic missile, which has a shorter range of 3,000–5,500 km (1,860-3,415 miles).
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Perun's analysis on what happens to the War in Ukraine after Trump takes power:

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I've seen claims that one of the Ukrainian strikes wiped out the Nork high command in the Kursk region, but nothing I'd consider concrete. It might just be cope.

Although... North Korea losing some senior officers right out of the gate would be a nice gesture of solidarity with their Russian counterparts, so I want to believe.
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Three possible Trumpet “peace” plans:



Trump's plan for Ukraine comes into focus: Territorial concessions but NATO off the table - https://www.reuters.com/world/trumps-pl ... 024-12-04/
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As they said in Glengarry Glen Ross, "Always be warcriming!"

Russia uses civilians as ‘target practice’ for killer drones
There is little more comforting to the people of Kherson these days than the sight of bad weather.

When clouds gather, rain pours and winds sweep through this southern Ukrainian city, locals take their cue to run errands — sensing a pause, at least temporarily, in the terror that has filled their skies.

Kherson’s civilians have been, since midsummer, the target of an experiment without precedent in modern European warfare: a concerted Russian campaign to empty a city by stalking its residents with attack drones.

The killer machines, sometimes by the swarm, hover above homes, buzz into buildings and chase people down streets in their cars, riding bicycles or simply on foot. The targets are not soldiers, or tanks, but civilian life.

“They are hunting us,” said Oleksandr Prokudin, head of the Kherson regional military administration. “Imagine what that does to a person, the psychological impact."

Since mid-July, Kherson and its neighbouring villages along the western side of the Dnipro river have suffered more than 9,500 attacks with small drones, killing at least 37 people and injuring hundreds more, according to Prokudin, regional prosecutors and police.
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Wow, that’s horrible, but it’s just one more horror perpetrated by Russia that seems to have become normalized.
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Oops, another industrial accident that happens to be in proximity to Ukraine.

Two Russian oil tankers wrecked in Black Sea
Two Russian oil tankers with 27 crew members on board have been heavily damaged in the Black Sea, causing an oil spill, authorities in Russia have said.

Footage released by Russia's Southern Transport Prosecutor's Office showed one of the tankers broken in half and sinking amid a heavy storm, with streaks of oil visible in the water.

At least one crew member was reportedly killed. The second ship was said to have drifted after sustaining damage and conflicting reports suggested it may have later run aground.

The incident took place in the Kerch Strait, which separates Russia from Crimea - the Ukrainian peninsula illegally annexed by Moscow in 2014.

President Vladimir Putin has ordered a working group to be set up to deal with the incident, headed by Deputy Prime Minister Vitaly Savelyev - and authorities are investigating for criminal negligence.

A rescue and clean-up operation is said to be under way involving tugboats, helicopters and more than 50 personnel.

"Today, as a result of a storm in the Black Sea, two tankers, Volgoneft-212 and Volgoneft-239, sank," Russia's federal sea and inland water transport agency, Rosmorrechflot, wrote in a statement.

"There were crews of 15 and 14 people on board the ships. The accident resulted in a spill of oil products," it continued.
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Just jumped in to say my motto of life....FUCK TRUMP!!! HHAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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