Canada 2015-25 and Beyond: New Hope or Phantom Menace?

[IceBear]

Yeah - they can't just let people be. I haven't had a good night sleep in weeks now...I feel like our country is going to be ruined through no fault other than Trump got elected

[IceBear]

We really should build more shipyards and the produce our own naval and trading ships. Then we can defend the Arctic like Trump wants without US involvement. This will allow our steel and aluminum industries to keep going during the tariff war and if we make some more merchant vessels it'll be easier to trade overseas and bypass the US

[hepcat]

At this point I'd be happy to be absorbed by Canada.

[Alefroth]

We really should build more shipyards and the produce our own naval and trading ships. Then we can defend the Arctic like Trump wants without US involvement. This will allow our steel and aluminum industries to keep going during the tariff war and if we make some more merchant vessels it'll be easier to trade overseas and bypass the US

Who is building your ships now?

[IceBear]

To be honest, I'm not sure. I know we have three shipyards but I remember hearing of many delays; I think we bought some old submarines from the UK and I don't think we've made any new naval ships in awhile. We were assured / discouraged by the US after WWII to get rid of our merchant navy and that we'd be protected by you guys. So, old habits die hard, but I think we've learnt now that we can no longer trust the US to have our backs so we'd better do it for ourselves.

[Max Peck]

We really should build more shipyards and the produce our own naval and trading ships. Then we can defend the Arctic like Trump wants without US involvement. This will allow our steel and aluminum industries to keep going during the tariff war and if we make some more merchant vessels it'll be easier to trade overseas and bypass the US

Who is building your ships now?

Large vessel shipbuilding projects

To build Canada’s large vessels fleet, we’ve established long-term strategic relationships with 3 Canadian shipyards:

• Irving Shipbuilding Inc., based in Halifax, Nova Scotia, is building:
  • Canada's combat ship work package for the Royal Canadian Navy
  • non-combat vessels for the Canadian Coast Guard
• Seaspan’s Vancouver Shipyards Co. Ltd., based in Vancouver, British Columbia, is building:
  • non-combat vessels for the Canadian Coast Guard
  • non-combat support ships for the Royal Canadian Navy
• Chantier Davie Canada Inc., based in Lévis, Quebec, is building non-combat vessels for the Canadian Coast Guard

[Isgrimnur]

One thing I've never been able to fully understand is why the price of fuel is so high at the pumps for us when the source is right within our own country. Shouldn't it be much lower to us? I live in an area where the price at the pump is always consistently high. It only lowers when out of the city and you start to see the native gas stations.

That would suggest to me that there's taxes that the native stations don't have to pay/levy.

[IceBear]

Yeah, that's true. I'm sure it's like most everything else in Canada...we have the natural resources but I'm guessing most of the refining into gas is happening outside of the country and then we buy it back. Might be wrong there...just speculating based on growing up in Nfld. The oil being drilled offshore is shipped away...the refinery on the island is shut down more than it's up

[Isgrimnur]

The Refining Sector in Canada

Canada is a net exporter of petroleum products. Yet, at times, product imports can play a significant role in satisfying petroleum product demand. The availability of both crude oil and petroleum product imports in every region hinges on geographic constraints. Each of these regions has its own natural features and this creates some unique situations.

Some regions are better suited than others to import products. Because of their connection via major waterways, Atlantic Canada and Quebec have good access to supplies from the northeastern United States and Europe. Because of there easy access to water for both importing crude oil feedstocks and for exporting petroleum products, Atlantic Canada has two large export refineries that send large portions of their output to market on the U.S. eastern seaboard. When economic conditions are favourable, East Coast Canadian refiners have sent products to markets as far away as California.

Ontario also has access to supplies from large U.S. markets and can also bring in provisions via Quebec. However, logistical constraints, such as the size of ships that can navigate the Seaway and the seaway-shipping season, increase the cost of these supplies. Other modes of transportation, such as pipeline, unit train and trucking, are necessary to bring in products from other regions.

Western Canada is landlocked, and as such, has very limited access to supplies from other regions. The current infrastructure was not designed to transport supplies to the Prairies from other regions. However, the prairies supply a substantial volume of gasoline into the Vancouver market. In the event of a supply shortage in the Prairies, refiners have the ability to balance supply and demand by importing product into Vancouver from Washington State. This frees up additional product from Edmonton area refiners to be distributed to prairie markets.

[Holman]

My parents (well, my mom, since dad died in 2020) go to church with the local CEO of Austal USA in Mobile, Alabama. Austal built Independence-class Littoral Combat Ships for the US Navy, which are now widely derided as costly disappointments.

Canada might do well to avoid American shipyards.

[Rumpy]

One thing I've never been able to fully understand is why the price of fuel is so high at the pumps for us when the source is right within our own country. Shouldn't it be much lower to us? I live in an area where the price at the pump is always consistently high. It only lowers when out of the city and you start to see the native gas stations.

That would suggest to me that there's taxes that the native stations don't have to pay/levy.

This is true, and there are more of these the further north you go. But it still doesn't explain why it's so high within the city limits. We have a landmass similar to Toronto, but more spread out.

Yeah - they can't just let people be. I haven't had a good night sleep in weeks now...I feel like our country is going to be ruined through no fault other than Trump got elected

And yeah, this is exactly my reading. It's the sudden attention and the loud MAGA voices, which are loud and arrogant. I know it can't and won't happen, but it doesn't help in making me feel less unsettled. Guess we'll just have to blare out some Nickelback 24/7.

[IceBear]

I'm in Ajax and ours is cheaper just because we have a Costco nearby; the local stations lower their prices to compete

[Rumpy]

Yeah, see we do have a Costco and they put in a gas station about a year ago, but it's still fairly high at 1.49.

[IceBear]

Yeah, see we do have a Costco and they put in a gas station about a year ago, but it's still fairly high at 1.49.

It's $1.49 at my local Shell...probably $1.39 at Costco

[Rumpy]

I know there was talk when Costco was working on building their gas station here, that it would come with lower prices, but it hasn't really happened. It's roughly the same price as other places in the city.

[IceBear]

Whew, temporary stay of execution

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trump- ... -1.7435957

[Rumpy]

I can only hope that means he's rethinking it. But kind of funny how he made so much noise about it being day-one and now it's delayed. Now he knows though that Canada is prepared for retaliatory tariffs.

[Max Peck]

Or maybe whichever policy wonk has his ear today told him that he already got what he wanted, like the new investments in border security.

[hepcat]

You don't wanna destroy the country on your first day. You wanna savor the process. Dole it out over a year or so.

[Rumpy]

Well, knowing Trump, it's probably way too tempting to want to do something on his first day.

[Max Peck]

He's doing lots of stuff today, don't sweat it. The last I heard they had something like a couple hundred executive orders written up and ready to go. However those tiny little hands can only handle so many signatures before they cramp up, so it's going to take some time to get through them all.

[LordMortis]

You don't wanna destroy the country on your first day. You wanna savor the process. Dole it out over a year or so.

Is that how long the US gets?

[IceBear]

Or maybe whichever policy wonk has his ear today told him that he already got what he wanted, like the new investments in border security.

That's my hope. I honestly thought that, since he kept harping on it, he'd still do something to prevent loss of face. Maybe he can reason? Nah

[Holman]

That's my hope. I honestly thought that, since he kept harping on it, he'd still do something to prevent loss of face. Maybe he can reason? Nah

He can't reason, but he can simply declare victory and turn to the next shiny object: Panama, bitcoin, Ivanka, etc.

Canada might just be lucky enough for that to happen right now.

[waitingtoconnect]

Or until whomever is going to make a shit ton of money from annexing Canada (oil and the nw passage most likely) gets his ear.

I wonder who will be on the Canadian invasion deck of cards?

[Rumpy]

That's my hope. I honestly thought that, since he kept harping on it, he'd still do something to prevent loss of face. Maybe he can reason? Nah

He can't reason, but he can simply declare victory and turn to the next shiny object: Panama, bitcoin, Ivanka, etc.

Canada might just be lucky enough for that to happen right now.

In other words, let's hope a more pressing concern develops that takes his attention away from Canada. What we need is for it to wash over.

[IceBear]

Ah, apparently he's musing doing 25% on Feb 1st now.

"We're thinking in terms of 25 per cent [tariffs] on Mexico and Canada because they're allowing vast numbers of people … and fentanyl to come in," Trump said.

"I think we'll do it Feb. 1," the president said in response to a question about when those tariffs could be implemented.

From what I understand there's very little coming from Canada to US, but much more from the US to Canada, but sure use that as an excuse to tariff us to oblivion

[Rumpy]

Yeah, in fact one thing Canada could do is demand that the U.S reinforce its northern borders to prevent guns and drugs coming into Canada, since that is the bigger issue. I've heard some our politicians talking about that possibility.

[Kraken]

Yeah, in fact one thing Canada could do is demand that the U.S reinforce its northern borders to prevent guns and drugs coming into Canada, since that is the bigger issue. I've heard some our politicians talking about that possibility.

Odds are you're also going to see an uptick in American refugees crossing your border and claiming asylum. Yes: we're going to empty our lunatic asylums and send them all to Canada!

[waitingtoconnect]

They are eating our syrup, they are eating our bacon…

[Max Peck]

Yeah, in fact one thing Canada could do is demand that the U.S reinforce its northern borders to prevent guns and drugs coming into Canada, since that is the bigger issue. I've heard some our politicians talking about that possibility.

You say that as if any of this has anything to do with reality or rational logic.

Demanding that the USA secure it's northern border is more likely to result in the USA moving the border north, until it feels secure, than anything else.

[IceBear]

Yeah, you're not wrong Max. It's just a bullshit reason he's come up with. At least most Americans don't want that, but since a US customs agent was shot and killed yesterday, presumably by an illegal crossing from Quebec, that might change their opinion. I'm sure it'll be enough reason for Trump

[Unagi]

They are eating drinking our syrup, they are eating our bacon poutine…

FTFY

[Isgrimnur]

Nobody is coming there for your ham.

[Unagi]

Nobody is coming there for your ham.

exactly. lol

[IceBear]

As a fyi, we don't call it Canadian bacon, we call bacon bacon and ham ham

[hepcat]

That's similar to the phrase "American Idiot". Here in the United States we just say "Trumper".

[Isgrimnur]

And in Tijuana, "Tijuna Taxi" is just called "Taxi".

[Unagi]

German Chocolate Cake was actually just made by some guy named Samuel German.

I've also heard that in Denmark a danish is called wienerbrød


I don't think I'm doing this right.

[hepcat]

And here in the United States a Tijuana Bible is just called a Bible.