The Apprentice Season 2 - The Second Presidency of Donald Trump

[pr0ner]

I don't see the birthright citizenship EO avoiding a SCOTUS smackdown.

Do you expect them to uphold the same 14th amendment that prevents Trump from legally holding office?

They already ruled on that one.

That's the joke.

Eh. Congress had the chance to squash all this in 2021. They didn't. That's kind of where SCOTUS went with their decision (and it's not like Trump was ever officially convicted of inciting a rebellion).

I imagine they'd do the same thing with an EO about birthright citizen - say Trump can't do it alone, but Congress could if they wanted.

[El Guapo]

I don't see the birthright citizenship EO avoiding a SCOTUS smackdown.

Do you expect them to uphold the same 14th amendment that prevents Trump from legally holding office?

They already ruled on that one.

That's the joke.

Eh. Congress had the chance to squash all this in 2021. They didn't. That's kind of where SCOTUS went with their decision (and it's not like Trump was ever officially convicted of inciting a rebellion).

I imagine they'd do the same thing with an EO about birthright citizen - say Trump can't do it alone, but Congress could if they wanted.

Congress couldn't do it if they wanted. Would require a constitutional amendment.

[pr0ner]

I don't see the birthright citizenship EO avoiding a SCOTUS smackdown.

Do you expect them to uphold the same 14th amendment that prevents Trump from legally holding office?

They already ruled on that one.

That's the joke.

Eh. Congress had the chance to squash all this in 2021. They didn't. That's kind of where SCOTUS went with their decision (and it's not like Trump was ever officially convicted of inciting a rebellion).

I imagine they'd do the same thing with an EO about birthright citizen - say Trump can't do it alone, but Congress could if they wanted.

Congress couldn't do it if they wanted. Would require a constitutional amendment.

That's a fair point.

[Holman]

I have little faith in guardrails this time.

[Rumpy]

If anything, this time around, it's like Trump with powerups. He knows exactly what he can get away with now. His first term was him figuring out the lay of the land; now he's ditching everything he doesn't like.

[Holman]

The dumbest possible path: the Supreme Court rules that a person not legally in the country is not considered to be fully present on American soil because legally they hold resident status elsewhere. Thus, such a person giving birth here is not fully present for purposes of their child's citizenship status.

They'll support this by arguing that the original purpose of the amendment was only to grant citizenship to former slaves, about whose legal residence in the US there was never any question at the time.

Hey, presto. No new amendment needed, and another win for Originalism.

I said it was the dumbest possible path, which is precisely why it will work.

[LordMortis]

Because today is MLK day

May I stress the need for courageous, intelligent, and dedicated leadership…. Leaders of sound integrity. Leaders not in love with publicity, but in love with justice. Leaders not in love with money, but in love with humanity. Leaders who can subject their particular egos to the greatness of the cause. God give us leaders. A time like this demands great souls with pure hearts and ready hands. Leaders whom the lust of office does not kill. Leaders whom the spoils of life cannot buy. Leaders who possess opinions and a will. Leaders who will not lie. Leaders who can stand before the demagogue and damn his treacherous flatteries without winking. Tall leaders, sun-crowned, who live above the fog in public duty and in private thinking. This is one of the great needs of the hour, but as we move on all over this nation we will need dedicated, courageous, and intelligent leaders.

[El Guapo]

The dumbest possible path: the Supreme Court rules that a person not legally in the country is not considered to be fully present on American soil because legally they hold resident status elsewhere. Thus, such a person giving birth here is not fully present for purposes of their child's citizenship status.

They'll support this by arguing that the original purpose of the amendment was only to grant citizenship to former slaves, about whose legal residence in the US there was never any question at the time.

Hey, presto. No new amendment needed, and another win for Originalism.

I said it was the dumbest possible path, which is precisely why it will work.

The main argument by the Stephen Miller and Steve Bannons of the world is that the 14th amendment gives citizenship to "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. They try to argue that illegal immigrants are not "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States because they entered illegally. Which is stupid on its face - what it means to be "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States is that the government can legally act upon them. That really only exempts a very narrow set of people, mainly the children of foreign diplomats (because the United States cannot legally punish foreign diplomats). It's also a little funny because if you take that argument at face value presumably the United States couldn't punish illegal immigrants for committing crimes.

[Skinypupy]

And here’s Elon just casually throwing out an “Sig Heil” salute during his speech today. I’m sure it was just an honest mistake.

[Alefroth]

If anything, this time around, it's like Trump with powerups. He knows he can get away with anything now. His first term was him figuring out the lay of the land; now he's ditching everything he doesn't like.

FTFY

[LawBeefaroni]

And here’s Elon just casually throwing out an “Sig Heil” salute during his speech today. I’m sure it was just an honest mistake.

Sieg heil.

[Smoove_B]

At least Rolling Stone got the headline right.

[Smoove_B]

Well, here we go:

President Donald Trump signed a slew of executive actions in front of thousands of supporters at Capital One Arena in Washington DC on Monday.

He started with rescinding 78 Biden-era executive actions, executive orders, presidential memoranda and others. Here’s the White House statement that lists which 78 actions are rescinded under Trump’s executive action.

Here’s what else Trump signed at the arena:

• Regulatory freeze: The freeze will prevent bureaucrats from issuing any more regulations until the Trump officials take full control of the government.
  
  Hiring freeze: There will be a freeze on federal hiring, except the military and a number of other categories, until Trump officials are in full control.
  
  Full-time return to work: Federal workers will be required to return to full-time in-person work immediately.
  
  Cost of living: A directive to every federal agency and department to address the cost of living crisis.
  
  Withdrawal from Paris Climate Agreement: This will formalize the US pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement again. Trump has done this in his first term, but Biden had joined the agreement again. Trump also signed a letter to the United Nations, explaining the withdrawal.
  
  Freedom of speech: Federal government was directed to restore freedom of speech and preventing government censorship of free speech. The First Amendment already guarantees free speech in the US.
  
  Ending weaponization of government: Trump’s directive to the federal government is meant to end weaponization of government against the political adversaries of the previous administration

Here is what's been rescinded.

All via CNN live updates. Still trying to process that he's doing this in an arena. That's...something.

[hepcat]

Project 2025 is off and running.

For those who support him, better pray you don't turn gay, hispanic or female overnight. If you do, you're fucked.

[WYBaugh]

He's pardoned 1600 January 6th tourists.

[Smoove_B]

He's pardoned 1600 January 6th tourists.

Even better:

President Donald Trump on Monday commuted the sentences of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys who were convicted of seditious conspiracy, paving the way for their imminent release from prison.

Trump displayed a copy of the commutation during the signing ceremony, revealing a list of names of people who got commutations. The people on the list were members of the far-right extremist groups who were charged in the high-profile seditious conspiracy case.

Most of the convicts on the commutation list were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, but some were acquitted of that charge, though they were all found guilty of other felony charges.

The list of commutation recipients includes Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes, among others. These people received some of the longest prison sentences of anyone charged in connection with January 6.

[WYBaugh]

He's pardoned 1600 January 6th tourists.

Even better:

President Donald Trump on Monday commuted the sentences of Oath Keepers and Proud Boys who were convicted of seditious conspiracy, paving the way for their imminent release from prison.

Trump displayed a copy of the commutation during the signing ceremony, revealing a list of names of people who got commutations. The people on the list were members of the far-right extremist groups who were charged in the high-profile seditious conspiracy case.

Most of the convicts on the commutation list were found guilty of seditious conspiracy, but some were acquitted of that charge, though they were all found guilty of other felony charges.

The list of commutation recipients includes Oath Keepers leader Stewart Rhodes, among others. These people received some of the longest prison sentences of anyone charged in connection with January 6.

True patriots

[Smoove_B]

Another one he slipped in:

PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP

It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person's mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person's father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth, or (2) when that person's mother's presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person's father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth.

[WYBaugh]

Another one he slipped in:

PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP

It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person's mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person's father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth, or (2) when that person's mother's presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person's father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth.

#2 is my wife and her family. Is this moving forward or are they going to start a hunt for UK immigrants?

[hepcat]

I wish it were as simple as he’s just getting it out of his system.

[Smoove_B]

#2 is my wife and her family. Is this moving forward or are they going to start a hunt for UK immigrants?

Well, he signed that statement as an executive order. I'm guessing courts are going to be overwhelmed tomorrow morning by lawyers.

President Donald Trump’s executive order on birthright citizenship prohibits federal agencies from issuing certain documents that would normally be provided to a US citizen, according to a fact sheet obtained by CNN.

The order, which applies to children born after 30 days of the measure, applies in circumstances where parents are unlawfully present in the US, and in situations where the mother is temporarily on the US, like on a visa, and the father is a noncitizen.

“It requires the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security, the Attorney General, and the Commissioner of the Social Security Administration, as the primary distributors and custodians of citizenship-related identification materials and benefits, to take all appropriate implementation and enforcement steps,” the fact sheet states.

The order hinges on the phrase “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” in the 14th amendment. Some immigration hardliners have argued that children of undocumented immigrants are not “subject to the jurisdiction” of the US and shouldn’t be considered citizens under the Constitution.

Legal experts previously told CNN they were skeptical such an argument would fly in court, arguing that such the relevant language was aimed at children of foreign diplomats who were subject to US laws, and at situations where a foreign nation has invaded and is occupying part of the country.

Trump allies and officials are keenly aware that the action will likely get legally challenged and eventually land before the Supreme Court.

“Something has to kick off the legal battle,” one source previously told CNN.

Sounds like it'll be "moving forward" (30 days) from now. He'll just get rid of the other immigrants some different way.

[Smoove_B]

Another good one:

President Donald Trump announced Monday he is withdrawing the US from the World Health Organization, a significant move cutting ties with the United Nation’s public health agency on his first day in office.

Trump has long been critical of the WHO, and his administration formally withdrew from the organization in July 2020 as the Covid-19 pandemic continued to spread.

The text of the executive order cites the “organization’s mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic that arose out of Wuhan, China, and other global health crises, its failure to adopt urgently needed reforms, and its inability to demonstrate independence from the inappropriate political influence of WHO member states,” as reasons for the US withdrawal.

“That’s a big one,” Trump told an aide as he began to sign the executive order, pointing to his 2020 decision and his belief that the US was paying too much money to the organization compared to other countries.

The order also says that the WHO “continues to demand unfairly onerous payments” from the US.

CNN has reached out to the WHO for comment.

I'm just mainlining this shit tonight, for reference. All in preparation of RFK Jr. being officially made the head of the Department of Health and Human Services when I can officially check out.

[waitingtoconnect]

Another one he slipped in:

PROTECTING THE MEANING AND VALUE OF AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP

It is the policy of the United States that no department or agency of the United States government shall issue documents recognizing United States citizenship, or accept documents issued by State, local, or other governments or authorities purporting to recognize United States citizenship, to persons: (1) when that person's mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the person's father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth, or (2) when that person's mother's presence in the United States was lawful but temporary, and the person's father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person's birth.

Does that mean Kamala Harris is no longer a citizen? (Point 2?)

I get they would rather move to a system like Australia. (Which ended birthright citizenship where both parents arent australian and even says a child born to Australians outside Australia arent Australian until their parents apply for citizenship of the child.)

But then propose a new amendment ffs.

[waitingtoconnect]

Another good one:

President Donald Trump announced Monday he is withdrawing the US from the World Health Organization, a significant move cutting ties with the United Nation’s public health agency on his first day in office.

Trump has long been critical of the WHO, and his administration formally withdrew from the organization in July 2020 as the Covid-19 pandemic continued to spread.

The text of the executive order cites the “organization’s mishandling of the COVID-19 pandemic that arose out of Wuhan, China, and other global health crises, its failure to adopt urgently needed reforms, and its inability to demonstrate independence from the inappropriate political influence of WHO member states,” as reasons for the US withdrawal.

“That’s a big one,” Trump told an aide as he began to sign the executive order, pointing to his 2020 decision and his belief that the US was paying too much money to the organization compared to other countries.

The order also says that the WHO “continues to demand unfairly onerous payments” from the US.

CNN has reached out to the WHO for comment.

I'm just mainlining this shit tonight, for reference. All in preparation of RFK Jr. being officially made the head of the Department of Health and Human Services when I can officially check out.

Can the media factcheckers who said project 2025 wasn’t trump policy be fired now?

[Punisher]

Does that mean Kamala Harris is no longer a citizen? (Point 2?)

It wouldn't apply since this sounds like it only affects children born 30 days or more after this order.


FWIW,
I do agree with the unlawful immigrants part.
Not so much the visa one.
I'm kindly in agreement of it but maybe not a blanket catch all.
Maybe only apply to it children born within X days of the visa expiring. Maybe somewhere between 30 and 90?

[Punisher]

Can the media factcheckers who said project 2025 wasn’t trump policy be fired now?

Factcheckers or shills?

[Kraken]

I wish it were as simple as he’s just getting it out of his system.

Today's full-blown shitstorm will keep people and institutions off guard for the next year or more, and he's just getting started. Trump knows full well that one can break or neuter systems (like courts) by overloading them.

[waitingtoconnect]

Does that mean Kamala Harris is no longer a citizen? (Point 2?)

It wouldn't apply since this sounds like it only affects children born 30 days or more after this order.


FWIW,
I do agree with the unlawful immigrants part.
Not so much the visa one.
I'm kindly in agreement of it but maybe not a blanket catch all.
Maybe only apply to it children born within X days of the visa expiring. Maybe somewhere between 30 and 90?

The original framers of the 14th amendment only meant for it to apply to white people. If you are an originalist (and I’m not) then you could argue that I suppose.

But to me the text is clear. Anyone born on US soil under US jurisdiction is a US citizen. It’s so clear that in 1898 despite political opposition from both sides of the aisle the Supreme Court could give a plain English interpretation.

Most countries use the Australian approach. If born outside, and have a parent from that country you can apply for citizenship and if still under 18 it should be granted automatically. If born inside and have a parent from that country you are a citizen.

I really think a common sense amendment rather than this crap maga is pulling is the way to go.

[Rumpy]

Apparently this guy thinks the birthright citizenship thing can't happen, says the constitution would have to be rewritten. Also says it basically boils down to a strawman to position him into being a victim once it doesn't pass, and knows it won't pass. Yeah, the video title comes on a little strong, but this is a good watch.

[waitingtoconnect]

The left needs to decide if it’s worth fighting trump on one of the few areas of trumps policy that most Americans could well support giving him airspace to do his meme coins and other highly questionable stuff.

It’s going to be about avoiding being wedged and picking battles. Especially in a traditional and social media environment that will be completely hostile. And where intimidation of our allies could well mean make great governments in countries like Canada, Australia and the UK.

[LordMortis]

I have to admit, as my dread and anger had been very slowly subsiding over the last two months, he did a fantastic job of bringing it right back to the forefront on day 1... 4 years and probably beyond... I may have to not only continue my self imposed ban from the news and shutting down all political discourse from them, I may have to shy away from my daily read in filtered places like this. I just can't do this all of the time. I'm very much passed my limit. I can't even imagine being one of directly affected (except by, you know, COVID and other out of control contagion) and I don't want to.

[Unagi]

I have to admit, as my dread and anger had been very slowly subsiding over the last two months, he did a fantastic job of bringing it right back to the forefront on day 1... 4 years and probably beyond... I may have to not only continue my self imposed ban from the news and shutting down all political discourse from them, I may have to shy away from my daily read in filtered places like this. I just can't do this all of the time. I'm very much passed my limit.

This is entirely me. But -plus one transgender child living at home in fear, who's autistic-.

I took a little 'break' from panic over the last two months, but holy-shit.... here we go.

[LordMortis]

This is entirely me. But -plus one transgender child living at home in fear, who's autistic-.

That's part of what I can't imagine and don't want to. The cruelty of my neighbors, my nation; and the willful blind eye of family toward them has broken my coping mechanisms.

[IceBear]

Here in Canada I'm terrified that, even if you don't annex us, our maple-magas will try to do the same thing up here

Probably won't matter, Trump will slap on the 25% tariffs and ruin our economy so we'll fire back and he'll use that as an act of war on our behalf to justify military action. Give it a year or so and he'll spin any economic troubles on us (rather than his own tariffs) and public sentiment down there will be all for invading us.

So, you can put your head down as a middle aged white man and come out relatively unscathed, while here in another country, our way of life and identity will be destroyed

[Lassr]

I have to admit, as my dread and anger had been very slowly subsiding over the last two months, he did a fantastic job of bringing it right back to the forefront on day 1... 4 years and probably beyond... I may have to not only continue my self imposed ban from the news and shutting down all political discourse from them, I may have to shy away from my daily read in filtered places like this. I just can't do this all of the time. I'm very much passed my limit.

This is entirely me. But -plus one transgender child living at home in fear, who's autistic-.

I took a little 'break' from panic over the last two months, but holy-shit.... here we go.

I had a sleepless night on election night, and damn if I didn't have another one last night. I still wish I'd wake up from this nightmare...

[hepcat]

As much as I hate the man and think he's going to do far more harm than I initially thought he could all those years ago, I do believe cooler heads will prevail in our country. I have to believe there's a breaking point for MAGA worshippers, and I think starting a war with a previously friendly country would be that breaking point. One of Trump's biggest campaign lies was that there were no wars under his regime. He's often condemned those who's administrations had wars. So I doubt he'll want to start one either.

We'll still see a move towards the hypocritical puritanism that is a hallmark of the evangelicals. And the U.S. will further retreat into isolationism. We'll also see a ton of stupidity as Trump views his position as a reality show in which ratings are his number one goal. And to get those ratings, you gotta appeal to the dumbest people around as they make up the majority of his loving audience. So renaming shit to Rambo level patriotism standards will be the norm. Confederate statues and murals will be put back in display. The LGQT+ community will go back into hiding. And white people will once again be the favored demographic for...well...everything.

[Unagi]

As much as I hate the man and think he's going to do far more harm than I initially thought he could all those years ago, I do believe cooler heads will prevail in our country. I have to believe there's a breaking point for MAGA worshippers, and I think starting a war with a previously friendly country would be that breaking point. One of Trump's biggest campaign lies was that there were no wars under his regime. He's often condemned those who's administrations had wars. So I doubt he'll want to start one either.

We'll still see a move towards the hypocritical puritanism that is a hallmark of the evangelicals, and isolationism. We'll also see a ton of stupidity as Trump views his position as a reality show in which ratings are his number one goal. And to get those ratings, you gotta appeal to the dumbest people around as they make up the majority of his loving audience. So renaming shit to Rambo level patriotism standards will be the norm. Confederate statues and murals will be put back in display. The LGQT+ community will go back into hiding. And white people will once again be the favored demographic for...well...everything.

I don't mean to push back against your optimism, but you sit in a comfortable seat with an obstructed view, I'm afraid.

If cooler heads prevail then the LGBQT+ community wouldn't have to go back into hiding.

I think there will be great, great pain for people and the people that love them in the near future. I truly expect to see a surge in suicides within that community, for instance. The idea that cooler heads prevail is not much consolation to my ear. If they prevail, I expect it will take too long for way too many people.

[hepcat]

I was addressing Icebear on the subject of war with Canada. Everything you wrote that you seem to believe I don't think will happen is your own interpretation. I explicitly only discussed war with Canada in the context of a breaking point for MAGA supporters. I even went out of my way to say how difficult it will be for the LGBQT+ community and others. At no point did I even remotely try to downplay the impact MAGA will have on anyone (beyond the possibility of war with Canada).

[Unagi]

I feel like you didn't even read what I wrote.

I was addressing Icebear on the subject of war with Canada. Everything you wrote that you seem to believe I don't think will happen is purely an invention of your own. I explicitly only discussed war with Canada in the context of a breaking point for MAGA supporters. I even went out of my way to say how difficult it will be for the LGBQT+ community and others. At no point did I even remotely try to downplay the impact MAGA will have on anyone, in spite of what you tried to read into my reply.

So you're not really pushing back so much as trying to rewrite what I wrote.

I sincerely apologize.

I agree that the idea of war with Canada seems to be so insane that there should be ample 'cooler heads' to stop it. I took your statement as a blanket statement regarding all of Trump's "plans" (not just the war with Canada), because you went on to mention the LGBQT community, for instance... And I do NOT believe there are ample 'cooler heads' to stop him there.

I did take 'go back into hiding' as a bit of a downplay to the actual reaction of "suicide" that a lot of people who can't just "go back" into hiding will contemplate.

[hepcat]

I went back and edited my comment to be less snarky. You caught me pre coffee on a 0 degree day.

I did take 'go back into hiding' as a bit of a downplay to the actual reaction of "suicide" that a lot of people who can't just "go back" into hiding will contemplate.

Hiding is what drives the suicides in many cases. They're not mutually exclusive.