Padre's Werewolf 2: Lycanthropic Boogaloo

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:05 am

[ghostly voice from beyond]
I know who the werewolves are. But, alas, I'm dead.[/ghostly voice from beyond]

Damn right I'm gonna keep haunting you bitches! What'd you expect?

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:39 am

No matter who wins or not now, the werewolves have played a fantabulous game.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:40 am

Somebody shut the ghosts up they are scaring me. And hey, Leigh, save me a muffin I have a feeling we will all be reunited soon.

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:33 am

Remus West wrote:Somebody shut the ghosts up they are scaring me.

WE WILL NOT BE SILENCED

remus wrote: hey, Leigh, save me a muffin I have a feeling we will all be reunited soon.

sure thing!:D

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 2:41 am

Kelric wrote:No matter who wins or not now, the werewolves have played a fantabulous game.

Totally agreed...

Spoiler:

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 3:33 am

Things could have gone many different ways that night. Briefly Jiffy was taken to the gallows, but he was reprieved at the last minute.

Arguument was fierce, but in the end a protesting J.D. had the noose strung about his neck.

He dropped, danced, died - as so many innocents had before him.

And he would only add to their number.

No wolf. Just another man. Another innocent death

Night was falling on the village. It could be the last time.

IT IS NIGHT

PMs going out

At one point during the time I was away Jiffy had five votes, but since I missed it, I'm going with the votes as they now are. This is an annoying but unavoidable artefact of the way the game is played online, so there it is.

FINAL VOTE TALLY

Chaosraven ---> J.D
J.D. ---> Asharak
Gryndyl ---> Jiffy
Ænima---> Asharak
Remus West --->J.D
Jiffy ---> J.D
Asharak ---> J.D
Orinoco ---> Jiffy
Crux ---> J.D

Orinoco · Post by **Orinoco** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:09 am

Bugger

We are so screwed... If Crux survives tonight, then I for one am going to suspect him of being an incredibly persuasive manipulating wolf...

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:46 am

Gah. I give up. Someone put me out of my misery.

Jiffy · Post by **Jiffy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:03 am

The wolves have played us, time and time again.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:09 am

Jiffy wrote:

I have no idea why but I love that picture.

Gryndyl · Post by **Gryndyl** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:21 am

Yep, the wolves have played a masterful game. I'm down to hoping we at least get one of them before we lose

setaside · Post by **setaside** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:24 am

,

and

again.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:27 am

Crap on a stick.

I'm hiding in the well until this is over.

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:31 am

Chaosraven wrote:Crap on a stick.

I'm hiding in the well until this is over.

Ew! The well? But isn't the well where that kid likes to pull his joystick?

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:32 am

I'll be outside in the kiddy-pool, marinating in some teriyaki sauce if anyone needs me.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:33 am

Leigh wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Crap on a stick.

I'm hiding in the well until this is over.
Ew! The well? But isn't the well where that kid likes to pull his joystick?

Better covered in spunk than eaten.

Please don't ever quote me on that.

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:38 am

Chaosraven wrote:
Leigh wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:Crap on a stick.

I'm hiding in the well until this is over.
Ew! The well? But isn't the well where that kid likes to pull his joystick?
Better covered in spunk than eaten.

Please don't ever quote me on that.

I wouldn't dream of it.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:40 am

A-a-a-nd my legacy is complete.

Some guys get quoted for Amazing Religious Understanding, some have wit that gets them on bumper stickers.

I'm a bad out of context Porno reference.

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:07 am

Orinoco wrote:Bugger We are so screwed... If Crux survives tonight, then I for one am going to suspect him of being an incredibly persuasive manipulating wolf...

This is the kind of thing that has gotten us in such ridiculous trouble. You're practically handing the wolves a viable strategy to cause problems. They don't kill me tonight, and together with your vote they have enough to lynch me in the morning. So why bother killing me?

Of course, if they didn't realize this already, I just spelled it out for them even more

What a nightmare game.

Orinoco · Post by **Orinoco** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 10:19 am

Crux wrote:
Orinoco wrote:Bugger We are so screwed... If Crux survives tonight, then I for one am going to suspect him of being an incredibly persuasive manipulating wolf...
This is the kind of thing that has gotten us in such ridiculous trouble. You're practically handing the wolves a viable strategy to cause problems. They don't kill me tonight, and together with your vote they have enough to lynch me in the morning. So why bother killing me?

Of course, if they didn't realize this already, I just spelled it out for them even more What a nightmare game.

Well now, if they don't kill you tonight, it could be because they know that we know that they know that... bah, my head hurts! I agree that if they don't kill you tonight it does not prove your guilt (or innocence) in any way. But that just makes everything harder - our main problem has been that we have not had any hard evidence to work with.

If the seer is alive (i.e. was not Cesare) then now would be a good time for them to communicate!

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:02 am

IT IS DAY

Crux was dead.

Few were left to care, or to feel anything at all other than the coldest, most bitter hatred ever imagined. Somewhere in the small group that remained three monsters still lurked, but who now could tell monster from man?

The village would go to bed tonioght in certain knowldge that none of them should see the dawn, unless they could summon up the will to find and kill a wolf this day.

Who among them could be trusted? Could any normal man trust such people, who had seen and comitted such horrors?

REMAINING PLAYERS

Chaosraven
Gryndyl
Ænima
Remus West
Jiffy
Asharak
Orinoco

That's seven of you still clinging to a shallow mockery of your own once joyful existence. Four is the number required.

Oh, and if you don't get a wolf today everyone dies. Except the wolves.

Gryndyl · Post by **Gryndyl** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:19 am

My vote for Jiffy stands

setaside · Post by **setaside** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:19 am

This is nuts.

Gryndyl · Post by **Gryndyl** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:21 am

setaside wrote:This is nuts.

Yep. The wolves absolutely destroyed us. I think there being three of them allows them to add that much more scheming and smokescreens, but you'd think that we would have stumbled across at least one of them by now.

Jiffy · Post by **Jiffy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:23 am

Gryndyl wrote:
setaside wrote:This is nuts.
Yep. The wolves absolutely destroyed us. I think there being three of them allows them to add that much more scheming and smokescreens, but you'd think that we would have stumbled across at least one of them by now.

Losing the seer early (as it seems that we did) really hurt our chances of finding the wolves.

Jiffy · Post by **Jiffy** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 11:47 am

Gryndyl wrote:My vote for Jiffy stands

And I still say you are wrong.

Have I voted for every innocent slaying? Yup, but I'm just not too bright it seems. Doesn't make me a wolf. Crux had a similar voting record, he was not a wolf either.

Right now I'm thinking Chaosraven, Gryndyl, and possibly Asharak are the wolves. Of course, this is mostly gut feeling. And I've been wrong every time. So who knows.

Evidence:

Chaos: Claims to have not been around for the first few days. I don't see why this matters. 2 wolves make a majority, no need for the 3rd vote to get the killing done. Also, recent comments:
"JD Jiffy Remus and Crux maintain position at the top of my list of suspects"
3 of the 4 are innocent (Unsure of Remus). Though, voting records mean almost nothing, since I have the worse. Chaos did change quickly to get whoever had the most votes onto the gallows though. Voting quickly for me once I was one away from being killed, then switching to JD simply to string him up. Not what I call innocent.

Gryndyl: In his vote counting post, Gryndyl offers explanation that Chaosraven can't be the wolf due to being absent. I think he was slyly covering, incase he or the 3rd wolf get taken out, to ensure Chaosraven can continue killing.

Asharak: This is more of a gut call more than anything, but this statement by Asharak:
"Information has been presented to me that suggests Jiffy's innocence, and makes a more likely wolf out of J.D., so I'm switching my vote to him."
Seems really funny. I never contacted Asharak. Who is suggesting my innocence? He makes it very easy to switch to JD, removing suspicion from himself in the process.

I'm not convinced with any of them being guilty as of yet, so I won't be voting early this time. But, I have my suspicions.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:29 pm

Padre wrote:At one point during the time I was away Jiffy had five votes, but since I missed it, I'm going with the votes as they now are. This is an annoying but unavoidable artefact of the way the game is played online

[ghostvoice]...unless you establish a rule that the deciding vote is unalterable (as I did-- a rule Tareeq adopted, too) and then disallow editing out prior votes (as I forgot to do until the issue arose) to preserve the audit trail...[/ghostvoice]

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:39 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
Padre wrote:At one point during the time I was away Jiffy had five votes, but since I missed it, I'm going with the votes as they now are. This is an annoying but unavoidable artefact of the way the game is played online
[ghostvoice]...unless you establish a rule that the deciding vote is unalterable (as I did-- a rule Tareeq adopted, too) and then disallow editing out prior votes (as I forgot to do until the issue arose) to preserve the audit trail...[/ghostvoice]

Good idea. I'll do that next game.

Gryndyl · Post by **Gryndyl** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 12:57 pm

Jiffy wrote:
Gryndyl wrote:My vote for Jiffy stands
And I still say you are wrong.

Have I voted for every innocent slaying? Yup, but I'm just not too bright it seems. Doesn't make me a wolf. Crux had a similar voting record, he was not a wolf either.

Right now I'm thinking Chaosraven, Gryndyl, and possibly Asharak are the wolves. Of course, this is mostly gut feeling. And I've been wrong every time. So who knows.

Evidence:

Chaos: Claims to have not been around for the first few days. I don't see why this matters. 2 wolves make a majority, no need for the 3rd vote to get the killing done. Also, recent comments:
"JD Jiffy Remus and Crux maintain position at the top of my list of suspects"
3 of the 4 are innocent (Unsure of Remus). Though, voting records mean almost nothing, since I have the worse. Chaos did change quickly to get whoever had the most votes onto the gallows though. Voting quickly for me once I was one away from being killed, then switching to JD simply to string him up. Not what I call innocent.

Gryndyl: In his vote counting post, Gryndyl offers explanation that Chaosraven can't be the wolf due to being absent. I think he was slyly covering, incase he or the 3rd wolf get taken out, to ensure Chaosraven can continue killing.

Asharak: This is more of a gut call more than anything, but this statement by Asharak:
"Information has been presented to me that suggests Jiffy's innocence, and makes a more likely wolf out of J.D., so I'm switching my vote to him."
Seems really funny. I never contacted Asharak. Who is suggesting my innocence? He makes it very easy to switch to JD, removing suspicion from himself in the process.

I'm not convinced with any of them being guilty as of yet, so I won't be voting early this time. But, I have my suspicions.

I could very well be wrong. All I have to go on is what everybody else does.

I still feel Chaosraven is innocent-he claimed to have been away during the first kill. Chaosraven is a fairly prolific poster and he has 0 posts on the 16th or 17. Yep, I actually looked into that. If he refrained from posting for two days or deleted them all just to give himself a cover story then he deserves to win for going the extra mile

Yes, he may have been a wolf in absentia. I hadn't thought of the 'wolf majority' angle.

My suspect list is currently
Ænima
Remus West
Asharak

And yes, Jiffy, my vote for you has been based on your atrocious voting record

However, you have an authentic seeming tone of indignation and, frankly, your voting record is almost too bad to be one of the wolves. So I took you off of my list.

My vote is now for Asharak

Orinoco · Post by **Orinoco** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:29 pm

I'm being careful about what Jiffy says - he would have been hung if Padre had not been sleeping on the job

- if he's a wolf he's breathing a sigh of relief and will say anything to avoid that fate again.

I'm not saying he's guilty, but he's not off my list yet. In fact, I'm going to vote Jiffy for the moment, until I have some spare time to analysis things further.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:47 pm

The problem now is that three of you who offer advice today are wolves and three are villagers and if we split between anyone with a wrong vote the three wolves jump on board hang him and are done. Crap. On the otherhand, I have a 50/50 chance with my next friggin guess. The problem with voting for Ash or Jiffy right now is that both Orinoco and Gryndyl could be wolves throwing a name out and waiting for the first person to join them then have the other wolves jump on as well and I have no way to be sure. If I throw another name out there though, the chances of all three of us being right are pretty low which will insure the wolves an innocent to lynch.

The coin says Ash.

And with that I hope we are correct so that we can go through this exact debate the next day. Uhg.

Padre · Post by **Padre** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:55 pm

VOTING SO FAR:

Chaosraven
Gryndyl ---> Asharak
Ænima
Remus West ---> Asharak
Jiffy
Asharak
Orinoco ---> Jiffy

Four votes needed for a majority.

Orinoco · Post by **Orinoco** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:01 pm

Padre wrote:VOTING SO FAR:

Chaosraven
Gryndyl ---> Asharak
Ænima
Remus West ---> Asharak
Jiffy
Asharak
Orinoco ---> Jiffy

Four votes needed for a majority.

OK. Let me guess - Jiffy will vote for Asharak, and Asharak will vote for Jiffy. Chaos and Aenima will decide who to lynch. If they're both wolves (or one is a wolf and Ash is innocent) then we're in trouble.

Problem for me is that I can't decide who is guilty. We cannot afford to get this wrong, and we only have a 50/50 chance here. Gryndyl and Remus are quick to accuse Asharak - is that because they're wolves trying to railroad people? Or are they innocent and I should vote with them?

Let's analyse this:

1. If they're wolves and I vote with them - we lose
2. If they're innocent, Ash is innocent, and I vote with them - we lose.
3. If they're innocent, Ash is a wolf and I vote with them - we win (or continue anyway).

1 in 3 chance to choose correctly here - I don't like those odds...

Let's see...

Chaosraven and Aenima are suspect because they haven't said much.

Jiffy's a suspect for continuous voting against innocents

Asharak is a suspect for constantly changing his mind (maybe it's her mind

- I know, sexist pig etc etc)

Remus and Gryndyl are suspects for not leading the "wolf-hunt" until this critical point, and for some potential important vote changes in the past.

I'm withdrawing my vote for Jiffy - as Remus said, if he's innocent then I've assured the wolves a win. Or did Remus say that to protect Jiffy... Things to make you go hmmmm...

Anyone like to add to what I've said?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:04 pm

My top four list is based on the deduction (which seems to be the topic of conversation among themselves as well as onlookers) that at least one if not two of the wolves are among the original lynch mob.

With the fingerpointing going between them, so far every lynching has been a villager.

Yes, my votes have been for those who fit that profile in the hopes that at least one wolf may get caught. And yes, I "jumped on the bandwagon" to get the final (or almost final vote) when the opportunity presented itself.

I was kidding about doing it for snakes on a plane, remus, but I may have to consider you carefully for what may be my deathknell.

No, that's not in bold. I need to think this out rather than watch us flush our last chance.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:14 pm

I'm concerned about Jiffy's statement that the wolves have been leading this farce of justice as that would be based on my own theory of the original nine.

But there are only two remaining... Remus and Jiffy.

If Jiffy was a wolf, would he say that the rest of us were being led by the nose to the gallows?

If Jiffy was a villager, and everyone else killed has been innocent, what is the deciding factor?

I admit to being as guilty of vote changing as at least Remus.

I think I'm deliberately overlooking Gryndyl and AEnima to keep my choices low (flipping a coin like Remus... kind of arbitrary for a decision of this magnitude, don't you think, Remus?) so that I don't strech out any possible logic I can apply beyond any chance of making a decision.

Maybe that will be a mistake.

Asharak · Post by **Asharak** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:21 pm

Jiffy wrote:Seems really funny. I never contacted Asharak. Who is suggesting my innocence? He makes it very easy to switch to JD, removing suspicion from himself in the process.

Who suggested your innocence to me? Crux. Although to be fair, it was more than he suggested a greater likelihood of JD being guilty than you (but it amounts to the same thing). Now that he's dead he can't corroborate that, of course, but I would think the fact that I switched my vote away from you and towards the player Crux was targetting (and I must point out, since I seem to be defending myself these days, that I was the first person other than Crux to vote for JD, so I wasn't exactly "piling on" to a likely lynching candidate - my vote was only #2 of 5 needed) establishes the veracity of that.

Remus kind of shot down my attempt to hide Crux's growing "ringleader of the innocent" status, though, by posting that he was switching his vote based on trusting Crux, but as long as Crux was alive I didn't want to give the wolves any more reason than they already had to eat him, so hence my obfuscation. I'm sorry if it sounded "funny".

Gryndyl: I don't get where your vote against me is coming from. Why am I getting your vote instead of, say, Aenima (to pick randomly off your new list)? If I have to be strung up, even though it will cost us the game, I'd at least like to know I'm dying for something of a defensible reason, and so far you haven't provided one.

I can only reiterate that I am not a werewolf. I don't know who is - every guess everyone's made in this game has been wrong, which makes it harder every round to decide on another vote. Those who are voting against me instantly earn my suspicion, obviously, but we've all voted against innocent people for good reasons in this game, so that doesn't prove anything.

I come back to my theory of a couple pages ago: that we have been dangerously, resoundingly wrong in accusing those who have made the most obvious targets of themselves. Crux was wrong about Kelric, I was wrong about Crux (way back when I suspected him, at any rate), and so on. Those who followed the first of Padre's games remember the lesson of setaside: the guy who made himself the most obvious target was completely innocent. I have been vocal these last few days, and now everyone is about to repeat this same mistake for the fourth time now.

The wolves pattern of behaviour in this game has been "quiet". Take their free night kills, and then stay back and let the mob work itself up into a tizzy each day and lynch an innocent. I implore everyone to figure out who here is doing there damnedest not to draw attention right now. Those are the wolves.

EDIT> Crap, I just noticed that I wasn't the first person after Crux to vote for JD. Remus actually got his post in there first. The rest of my point still stands.

- Ash

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:22 pm

The coin flip statement was meant to show frustration, I did not flip a coin to make my choice.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:26 pm

And after reading Ash's statement above I will withdraw my vote for Ash I have some feelings about who the wolves may be, but will do my thinking through PM for the moment.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:28 pm

Orinoco wrote: Remus and Gryndyl are suspects for not leading the "wolf-hunt" until this critical point, and for some potential important vote changes in the past.

Just wanted to note that we have hung all of our "wolf-hunt" leaders to this point so no one who is left can make a claim to have done that until now.

Asharak · Post by **Asharak** » Mon Aug 21, 2006 4:33 pm

Orinoco wrote:Asharak is a suspect for constantly changing his mind (maybe it's her mind - I know, sexist pig etc etc

I wish I was a woman. Aside from the potential lesbian benefits, I'd get to claim my voting history was a woman's prerogative.

- Ash