[WW] Fright Night! (The village wins!)

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:10 pm

I'm usually the one in drag, actually.

Remus West · Post by **Remus West** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:11 pm

Kelric wrote:
Mr Bubbles wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
noxiousdog wrote:
Chaosraven wrote:And we retract our vote for Leigh

to use it for the silent MARK (LYNCH)
We?
No kidding.

We?
I think he's hearing voices. I'd watch out.
It's Chaosraven. He, LM and Remus all hear voices. They're like the Jersey Triumvirate, only with less Quinn and no babies. And while LM may dress in drag, he'll never be half the woman that Smoove is.

Edit - By my count, one more vote lynches Mark.

Hey, LM's days of drag are way gone, Chaos on the other hand.....not that HE is even close to being a piece of the woman smoove is.

setaside · Post by **setaside** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:25 pm

I don't feel right lynching Mark without hearing from him. I have a feeling this is going to end badly. I'm going to withdraw my vote for Mark. Hopefully he will show up this evening and provide us with something.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:33 pm

setaside wrote:I don't feel right lynching Mark without hearing from him. I have a feeling this is going to end badly. I'm going to withdraw my vote for Mark. Hopefully he will show up this evening and provide us with something.

Did you even listen to the Sheriff?

"This news requires us to blindly accuse one another and send each other to be staked through the heart until we find our Vampire. This news requires wild allegations, blatant lying, and absolutely depends upon mob rule! This is no time for justice! We need to panic and do foolish things!"

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:41 pm

First rounds suck. Someone has to go. Sorry Mark.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:20 pm

Alright people. I live in a certain part of the village that some say is in a completely different timezone. Some might even say that (theoretically at least), I'm in a completely different HEMISPHERE. In fact, in that particular hemisphere, the sun is shining brightly as I type. Clearly I am no vampire - your bloodlust is driving you mad.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:26 pm

Kelric seemed awfully keen to see me off in the first round. He even EDITED HIS COMMENT to remind people that I only needed one more vote to taste the wrong end of a stake. I can assure you I am no sucker-head, and will be making a serious error of judgement if I die.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:42 pm

No doubt I'll now be accused of talking too much...

I am new to this village, and while I have conversed with some of you in the past, I am largely an unknown quantity. Sure, we have had some pleasant discussions in the past, but I'm not a local down at the tavern and have spent not a single night in the stocks (unlike Crux, who was sentenced for three days for unlawful interference with domestic animals).

Please do not think that because I am not as well known as some of you, that you will not miss my presence. I am an innocent man, and my loss will only give strength to the evil undead.

I note Chasoraven specifically mentioned 'we' in his post compelling you to kill me. That doesn't sound like someone accidentally letting slip that they are a Mason. It sounds like misdirection - note how quickly Kelric came in and diverted the conversation. It's a clumsy attempt - only someone with hundreds of years of arrogance would become so complacent.

I submit that the vampire is Kelric

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:45 pm

Chaosraven is not a Mason.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:48 pm

noxiousdog wrote:Chaosraven is not a Mason.

He sure is making an effort to make everyone think he is, isn't he? Both Chaosraven and Kelric seem to be acting in unison in this instance. I withdraw my vote for Kelric at this time. My shock and anger got the better of me, and I need to reflect on this a little more before making my decision.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:48 pm

I am not, nor have I ever been, a vampire.

Edit - Simulpost. My ribbing of Chaosraven was a simple try at injecting some comedic levity into this horrible situation.

2nd Edit - I withdraw my vote for Mark.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:49 pm

In the spirit of quiet ones, I suggest Grundbegriff. Yes, he has a job that takes him far from the village, and yes, the Alpha Vamp would know that he would come under immediate suspicion as a powerful ally.

For now, that is my vote.

edit: two fs

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:53 pm

noxiousdog wrote:edit: two fs

That reminds me of my favorite 'my sister is a dumb blonde' moment. Back in high school she's working with a friend on something they have to type up for class. My sister is the one typing and the friend is reading off what needs to be typed. So she's reading along and then looks up at the screen.

Friend: "You spelt rough wrong."
My sister: "I did? Oh yeah. Two 'f's." <changes 'ruf' to 'ruff.'>

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:53 pm

Kelric wrote:I am not, nor have I ever been, a vampire.

Edit - Simulpost. My ribbing of Chaosraven was a simple try at injecting some comedic levity into this horrible situation.

2nd Edit - I withdraw my vote for Mark.

The fact that you can be flippant about something as serious as PUTTING A WOODEN STAKE THROUGH MY HEART certainly speaks volumes about your ability to empathise with another human being. Seems almost...inhuman...

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:10 pm

fight fight fight

At 3 after school in the playground

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:16 pm

I will not be voting for Kelric at this time. I have heard often by the elders in the village that he has been 'touched by the divine' similar to the Romans of old. And while Caeser was afflicted by epilepsy, Kelric's blessing was of a more traditional kind - dropped on his head repeatedly whilst a child. I'm not sure what his parents were trying to prove - perhaps to see if he bounced.

Regardless, his witless ravings cannot be attributed to malice - only dimness.

Chaosraven, on the other hand, was quick to accuse and even quicker to attempt a clumsy misdirection.

I vote for Chaosraven

EDITED: typo.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:31 pm

If you're a Seer or Freemason, contact me by PM.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:32 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:If you're a Seer or Freemason, contact me by PM.

That's a really bold statement to be making on the open board when people are accusing you of being Alpha Vamp.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:49 pm

As much as I may deserve hanging for being insane, I certainly would like to set the record straight before you stretch my neck. Or should I say OUR neck as using the royal we around here can be construed as a slip of the tongue, rather than in ones cheek as they say.

JD called for Marks head.
followed by (in order, mind you)
Kelric
Setaside (who later pulled his vote just before the 8th fatal vote was cast)
Msteelers
pr0ner
MrBubbles
*then* my Bandwagon vote

and finally

Crux for the (almost) kill.

While I know I'm innocent, I have no such knowledge of anyone elses status at this time, and not even a real opinion or guess yet.

Lynch me if you will, know that I am not a seer or a hunter, and certainly not a vampire.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 7:58 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Lynch me if you will, know that I am not a seer or a hunter, and certainly not a vampire.

So you are a Mason then?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:05 pm

If I am, my partner will confirm that. If not, I forgot we had those.

As I am not, I will remain a lonely villager who stabs at the darkness with a sharpened wooden spoon in the hopes I shall survive to see another day.

Quite honestly I expect to be silenced either by the undead or the pointy end of a stick just to get me to shut up, if nothing else. So I have nothing to lose by acting suspicious.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:20 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:If you're a Seer or Freemason, contact me by PM.
That's a really bold statement to be making on the open board when people are accusing you of being Alpha Vamp.

Indeed it is, but I play to win.

Consider the options:

Select someone nearly at random to accuse and perhaps lynch.
Select someone for a silly reason to accuse and perhaps lynch.
Start building a web of trust, with the goal of establishing an inviolable alliance of known non-vampires.

Given those options, I choose #3. Mob justice is especially distasteful when it's based on-- well, nothing.

(Right, lovely Leigh?)

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:21 pm

There certainly have been quite a few people who dropped off the radar early on. Leigh hasn't been heard of apart from a couple of posts earlier on, J.D opened up with the 'stake the new guy' gambit, pr0ner and Msteelers jumped on board, and the last couple of hours have consisted of me bleating my innocence.

I'm intrigued by Grund's play, however.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:25 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:If you're a Seer or Freemason, contact me by PM.
That's a really bold statement to be making on the open board when people are accusing you of being Alpha Vamp.
Indeed it is, but I play to win.

Consider the options:

Select someone nearly at random to accuse and perhaps lynch.

Select someone for a silly reason to accuse and perhaps lynch.

Start building a web of trust, with the goal of establishing an inviolable alliance of known non-vampires.
Given those options, I choose #3. Mob justice is especially distasteful when it's based on-- well, nothing.

(Right, lovely Leigh?)

Yes, but how can you know for certain if the person who contacts you is, indeed, a seer or mason? You could simply be taken for a ride, and wind up on the losing end, not the winning one. Is that worth it? I got killed real early the last game for that one.

Mark · Post by **Mark** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:26 pm

Grundbegriff wrote:
pr0ner wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:If you're a Seer or Freemason, contact me by PM.
That's a really bold statement to be making on the open board when people are accusing you of being Alpha Vamp.
Indeed it is, but I play to win.

Consider the options:

Select someone nearly at random to accuse and perhaps lynch.

Select someone for a silly reason to accuse and perhaps lynch.

Start building a web of trust, with the goal of establishing an inviolable alliance of known non-vampires.
Given those options, I choose #3. Mob justice is especially distasteful when it's based on-- well, nothing.

(Right, lovely Leigh?)

or:

4. Establish yourself as an honest broker, prove your trust by drawing others into your inviolable alliance, then SUCK THE BLOOD OUT OF THEIR BODY. Repeat.

One can certainly take your claim at face value, and I certainly want to. However, you can't deny that if you were a vampire, this would play right into your hands.

EDIT: another typo, dammit! And I'm going to a meeting for an hour - don't stake me while I'm gone.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:29 pm

Mark wrote:One can certainly take your claim at face value, and I certainly want to. However, you can't deny that if you were a vampire, this would play right into your hands.

It most definitely would. But it's an intriguing statement nonetheless.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:41 pm

Shouldn't there be two groups of innocents forming right about now?

I mean, with two seers who don't know each other they start building trust with those they find with no powers...

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:42 pm

pr0ner wrote:Yes, but how can you know for certain if the person who contacts you is, indeed, a seer or mason? You could simply be taken for a ride, and wind up on the losing end, not the winning one. Is that worth it? I got killed real early the last game for that one.

First, the evil ones are free to try to deceive me. That's the nature of the game, and they should bring it on, if they think they can succeed without my seeing through them.

Second, consider the strategic situation (in light of my assumption that I'm a net asset for the non-Vampire team):

I'm not a vampire. I make no other assertions about what I am.
The vampires know this. Therefore, there's a high probability that they'll try to get me out of the game ASAP.
The vampires can get me out of the game in one of two ways: they can slay me outright, or they can try to turn the mob against me.
It would therefore make good sense for either the Freemasons or the Fearless Vampire Hunter to keep me alive, thus thwarting the will of the Vampires.
If I'm a Mason, I would want to join the other Mason in protecting someone else and would therefore want protection from the Hunter (and perhaps confirmation from the Seer).
If I'm the Hunter, I'd protect someone else and seek protection from the Masons (and perhaps confirmation from the Seer).
If I'm an innocent villager or a Seer, then I'd seek protection from either the Masons or the Hunter.
Therefore, if I wish to survive vampiric voraciousness, I'll seek protection (and perhaps confirmation).

As you can see, just on the basis of trying to stay alive, it makes sense for me to float that request.

There are other good reasons to float that request, apart from the question of whether I survive. I'll leave those unexplained for now.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 8:47 pm

Mark wrote:4. Establish yourself as an honest broker, prove your trust by drawing others into your inviolable alliance, then SUCK THE BLOOD OUT OF THEIR BODY. Repeat.

There's that risk, sure. However, the folks I've asked to PM me have the means to determine whether I'm a risk. They may simply choose to trust me; if they don't, they may also check up on me, whether through visions or PMs with others. That may or may not settle the issue for each person who PMs me; however, we only need it to settle the issue for enough people to form an inviolable alliance (i.e., at least 4 known non-vampires).

With a web of 4, two of them protected, it is impossible for the vampires to win.

If some or all of the specially empowered players become part of that web, the odds of slaying the vampires efficiently will increase dramatically.

Hence my play.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:37 pm

pr0ner wrote:
Yes, but how can you know for certain if the person who contacts you is, indeed, a seer or mason? You could simply be taken for a ride, and wind up on the losing end, not the winning one. Is that worth it? I got killed real early the last game for that one.

He can't. But it doesn't matter. It's a good play for Grund, especially if he is a villager. And it's something I wholeheartedly agree with.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:40 pm

I'm just wondering about Mark now...

He didn't mention JD in his post, he jumped on Kelric. Though JD accused first.

Then he left out setaside, msteelers, pr0ner, and mr bubbles to jump on me.

I understand him leaving out crux (despite that being the ALMOST lethal vote if setaside hadn't backed off)

So where does this agenda come from?

Leigh · Post by **Leigh** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:42 pm

I'm confused.
(It's a state I live in more often than the state in which I get my mail.)

What play did Grund make? The whole "Let me be the hub of your wheel" play?

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:44 pm

If you're not a spoke, your inaction has spoken.

Heh... that's a cool slogan.

Grundbegriff · Post by **Grundbegriff** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:46 pm

noxiousdog wrote:That's up to my partner.

I actually don't know that it's a terribly bad idea.

I did it because I'm likely to be killed either by vampires or by you all.

I can hope that the vampire hunter will protect me, if they believe my story about being a mason, or I can hope that the vamps think I will be protected.

If indeed you are a Freemason, noxiousdog, then your strategy of revealing the identity of one freemason and protecting the identity of the other is an excellent one.

The non-vampire who gains a solid basis for trusting one Freemason gets a twofer, since the Freemasons already know one another. Naming one Freemason makes this triad possible; naming two puts at least one Freemason at risk.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:51 pm

Leigh wrote: What play did Grund make? The whole "Let me be the hub of your wheel" play?

Yes. And it's one only a villager can make, because innocents are the only ones a seer can trust. AFTER tomorrow. The beta and gamma vamps don't even know they are vamps yet.

Chaosraven · Post by **Chaosraven** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:55 pm

Wait, I thought they did that before the red shirt bit it.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 9:56 pm

Chaosraven wrote:Wait, I thought they did that before the red shirt bit it.

The Alpha knows who they are, but they themselves do not know, and the seers would have gotten an innocent reading (assuming they got a first night viewing).

Crux · Post by **Crux** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:02 pm

I will change my vote to Grundbegriff.

noxiousdog · Post by **noxiousdog** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:04 pm

My bad. Seers will get a 'not a villager reading' on the secondary vamps. Trig amended his original rule.

triggercut · Post by **triggercut** » Wed Aug 30, 2006 10:28 pm

Hi all, I'll put up a vote count shortly. I meant to get in here and post earlier, but we had an oxygen leak at the restaurant, and I save the lives of numerous employees who got stuck in a vapor lock. (Here's a hint, if your manager tells you to take a protein pill and put your helmet on, you're probably doing something stupid.)

Anyway, to address one thing off the bat--no one was "selected" for their role. They were all randomly assigned. (Yeah, I got some really strange looks last night standing in Camelot city in DAoC doing /random 15 over and over again. A couple of guys asked me what loot I was rolling on.) Assume nothing, because the roles were completely randomly selected. The only "chosen" roles in the game were by the Alpha vamp; let's hope he does better than I did, and this game plays out a while!

Second point: After much consideration, I've decided that if we arrive at two conditions, a plurality of the vote, rather than a majority, by the villagers is enough to lynch. These conditions will be as follows:

1. 36 hours have passed since "daylight" began in real life, and
2. Every villager has a registered vote. I won't invoke a plurality if not everyone has voted, or if votes have been publicly retracted. That seems fair to both teams in the game, and should keep things moving along.

Ok, vote count incoming.