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I'm running a No-Limit Texas-Hold'em poker game through the forum, for the first ten interested parties. It will be a 10-person sit-and-go, and no prizes will be awarded (but the bragging rights will be high). Requirements are that you must be able to read forum Private Messages (PMs), and you must be able to act within 24-hours of table action coming to you.

The game will be dealt with live cards (from my computer room), and players will get PMs with their hole cards. All table action will take place in this thread, with a non-playing judge (me), rectifying the betting and actions taken. When the action falls on a new player, as soon as I notice, I'll be sending out a PM to the player on the clock (and they'll have 24-hours from the time of that PM to take action before their action is declared as a check or a fold).

I'll detail the structure of the game (in this post) a bit later. But I want to solicit entries now. Only the first ten need apply. Folks who sign up but do not participate in a timely manner will be ineligible for future Online Octopus Overlords pOOker events.

There will be a hiatus in mid-April while I am out of the country.

Game Play
  • You to be able to read (but not reply to) PMs. You'll receive your hole cards via PMs.
  • All community cards and betting action will be posted in this thread.
  • Betting actions are to be posted unambiguously in this thread. The judge's rule is final on ambiguous action. If it is unclear what the action is to you, wait for the judge's recap post before taking action. RULE MODIFIED HERE
  • Out of turn actions are not binding if caught before cards are revealed.
  • Illegal raises (non-all-in raises for an amount less than the previous action) will be ruled to be a minimum allowable raises, and any betting action which has taken place afterwards will be redone. The illegal raise cannot be retracted.
  • There will be a minimum of 24-hours from the judge's recap to the next player taking action. The judge will PM a player when they are "on the clock." RULE MODIFIED HERE
  • Players are encouraged to take betting actions more quickly (including prior to receiving a PM from the judge if the action to them is unambiguous) in order to speed up the game.
  • A player may hand over control of their hands to another player who meets the requirements, either temporarily or in a permanent fashion. This is the only reason to PM the judge (barring technical difficulties with the gameplay itself).
  • If a player knows they will be "away," they can post in the thread as such, and while they are gone they will be folded/checked as appropriate. A player may come "back" at any time and if they have live cards, they will be allowed in the current hand. Back declarations must be made in the thread.
  • A player timing out twice consecutively will be placed away.
  • If a player is away during heads-up play, it is the player-who-is-present's decision to wait for their return or to claim victory.
  • A player wishing to fold out of turn may contact the judge (via PM) to expidite the play. If the judge notices that player's action has arrived prior to the actual player, the judge will declare a fold and play will then continue to the next active player. Players are encouraged to keep checking the thread in the case where they may notice their action prior to the judge. Again, play may continue to take place if the actions after the most recent judge's summary are unambiguous -- the judge will catch up with the play when he next checks the thread.
  • Hole cards mucked will not be revealed by the judge (either during the game or afterwards) unless a player gives permission.
  • All card randomization will be done with a physical deck in the judge's home -- no non-random selection of cards will be made in the interest of "making things more interesting."
  • The judge will reveal all hands still participating at the showdown.
  • When a hand is being played heads-up, a player may ask the judge to muck their cards "face up," for all to see.
  • No prizes, just bragging rights (which admittedly are HUGE).
What'a legal raise?
A legal raise must be of the amount greater than the bet or raise to the current player. A player can go all-in for less than the legal raise, in which case his action does not open the betting for reraises. By way of examples:
  1. The player acting after the blinds (1/2) raises by 4 to six. A player wishing to reraise must raise the bet by a minimum of 4 additional chips (so his minimum raise, then, would be to 10 chips).
  2. Post flop there are three players remaining. The first player checks. The second player bets 8 chips. The third player calls for 8 chips. The first player now goes all-in for his remaining 15 chips. Neither of the remaining players may raise at this point -- their options are to call for 15 total or to fold (and forfeit the 8 chips they've put into the pot).
If you think the raise ahead of you was not legal, feel free to PM or wait for the judge to declare the binding action. A raise not large enough to be legal will be increased to the minimum legal size. An attempted raise after an all-in player's too-small-to-be-a-raise bet will see the excess chips returned to the bettor.

Etiquette A few deviations from standard poker.
  • Feel free to involve any outside resources at your fingertips prior to making your decisions. These resources include other poker players (not in the game), poker software, poker forums, etc. Off-thread collaboration with players involved in the game is NOT PERMITTED
  • In-thread discussion of the play thus far is encouraged (and especially so for prior hands). The only text which is not permissible in the thread are quotes from PMs sent out by the judge. Players may lie about their hands, tell the truth about their holdings, or any number of misdirections. These comments are legal (and very counter to the things permissible in a live game).
Structure
  • Each player begins with 200 chips.
  • Each blind level will last exactly ten hands (as ten participants began the game -- there are ten hands per level even after players are eliminated)
  • The blind levels will progress as follows (there are no antes):
    Level 1: 1/2
    Level 2: 2/4
    Level 3: 5/10
    Level 4: 10/20
    Level 5: 20/40
    Level 6: 50/100
    Level 7: 100/200
    Level 8: 200/400
The Table
Seat 01 - Pyperkub
Seat 02 - CSL
Seat 03 - RunningMn9
Seat 04 - itaiyo
Seat 05 - godhugh
Seat 06 - hentzau
Seat 07 - LordMortis
Seat 08 - Austin
Seat 09 - Animus
Seat 10 - Ralph-Wiggum

Tournament summary to date
HAND01 itaiyo (+19 chips), RunningMn9 (-6), hentzau (-6), Animus (-6), CSL (-1).
HAND02 Ralph-Wiggum (+235), Pyperkub (-134), CSL (-64), itaiyo (-12), godhugh (-12), hentzau (-12), RunningMn9 (-1).
HAND03 Pyperkub (+15), Ralph-Wiggum (-10), godhugh (-2), Animus (-2), itaiyo (-1).
HAND04 Animus (+385), CSL (-135, out), hentzau (-100), itaiyo (-90), godhugh (-50), Pyperkub (-10).
HAND05 Pyperkub (+92), Animus (-71), itaiyo (-18), LordMortis (-2), hentzau (-1).
HAND06 LordMortis (+62), Animus (-20), RunningMn9 (-20), hentzau (-20), Austin (-2).
HAND07 hentzau (+78), Ralph-Wiggum (-61), Animus (-8), godhugh (-8), Austin (-1).
HAND08 Animus (+42), godhugh (-36), Ralph-Wiggum (-6).
HAND09 Austin (+223), LordMortis (-197), Pyperkub (-25), Ralph-Wiggum (-1).
HAND10 itaiyo (+3), RunningMn9 (-2), Pyperkub (-1).
HAND11 Pyperkub (+75), LordMortis (-63, out), RunningMn9 (-4), itaiyo (-4), Austin (-4).
HAND12 godhugh (+104), Ralph-Wiggum (-92), itaiyo (-12).
HAND13 Pyperkub (+3), itaiyo (+3), hentzau (-4), godhugh (-2).
HAND14 Pyperkub (+134), godhugh (-104), Animus (-24), Austin (-4), hentzau (-2).
HAND15 itaiyo (+46), Pyperkub (-40), Animus (-4), Austin (-2).
HAND16 Ralph-Wiggum (+123), hentzau (-59), Austin (-29), Pyperkub (-29), itaiyo (-4), Animus (-2).
HAND17 RunningMn9 (+47), Pyperkub (-45), Ralph-Wiggum (-2).
HAND18 itaiyo (+181), Pyperkub (-79), hentzau (-74, out), RunningMn9 (-24), Ralph-Wiggum (-4).
HAND19 Austin (+96), godhugh (-90, out), itaiyo (-4), RunningMn9 (-2).
HAND20 Pyperkub (+158), Austin (-156), itaiyo (-2).
HAND21 Austin (+170), itaiyo (-150), Pyperkub (-10), Animus (-10).
HAND22 Austin (+319), Pyperkub (-304, out), Ralph-Wiggum (-10), Animus (-5).
HAND23 RunningMn9 (+5), Ralph-Wiggum (-5).
HAND24 Austin (+348), RunningMn9 (-193, out), itaiyo (-155, out).
HAND25 Austin (+35), Ralph-Wiggum (-35).
HAND26 Austin (+10), Animus (-10).
HAND27 Animus (+40), Austin (-30), Ralph-Wiggum (-10).
HAND28 Ralph-Wiggum (+327), Animus (-322), Austin (-5).
HAND29 Austin (+20), Ralph-Wiggum (-10), Animus (-10).
HAND30 Animus (+178), Austin (-173), Ralph-Wiggum (-5).
HAND31 Austin (+40), Animus (-40).
HAND32 Ralph-Wiggum (+10), Animus (-10).
HAND33 Ralph-Wiggum (+40), Austin (-40).
HAND34 Ralph-Wiggum (+30), Animus (-20), Austin (-10).
HAND35 Austin (+130), Ralph-Wiggum (-120), Animus (-10).

You should run another one
I plan on running another one of these once we get back from our trip and we've worked our way through the first level (10 hands) of this guy. Likely I'll let folks sign up for a full week to ensure that everyone who wants in can get in, as a multi-table tournament (MTT) would likely last the better part of a year (even if I did use a hyper aggressive blind structure, which would be my intent). Unless someone else looks at this thread and says "I could do that" (in which case I want to be at the top of the list of participants!), the best thing you could do would be to note interest in this thread, and to kibbitz along with the game at hand (paying attention to the etiquette section, above). Nothing breeds interest like more interest, and for something like this, I'm pretty sure it's "the more the merrier." I've gone as far as generating the blind structure for the MTT game already -- pretty much I want to be sure there aren't any pitfalls with the rules above before setting up for something much more long term. Discussion for improvements.

So comment away!

Note: Inspiration source

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I'll do it.
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And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
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I'm all in.

I fear Neal may learn too much about my play from behind the scenes, though. :wink:
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I suck, but I'll give it a go. Give you guys someone to fleece. :)
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In the absence of an actual CO get together that I can attend, I'm in. :)
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LordMortis wrote:I fear Neal may learn too much about my play from behind the scenes, though. :wink:
There has to be something in it for me!

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In like a grenade pin.
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The Meal wrote:
LordMortis wrote:I fear Neal may learn too much about my play from behind the scenes, though. :wink:
There has to be something in it for me!

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Shouldn't the hobgoblins be in Chaosraven's threads?

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I'll give it a shot
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Would definitely play but can't always guarantee response w/in 24 hours due to travel. I'll watch w/interest though.
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MHS wrote:Would definitely play but can't always guarantee response w/in 24 hours due to travel. I'll watch w/interest though.
Could you find someone (not judging and not participating) who you'd trust to take your turns while you couldn't?

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I'll watch this time and perhaps play in a future round.
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Grundbegriff wrote:I'll watch this time and perhaps play in a future round.
Hey - no kibbitzing!
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!

Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Actually in-thread observer kibbitzing is fine as well. The rail-birds have a voice!

I'll do a good job with the in-hand summaries so that folks shouldn't have any trouble telling what the action is thusfar.

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I'll take a seat.

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Sounds like fun. I'm in.
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In.
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And that makes ten!

I drew for starting seats (ace through ten):
A. Austin - 8s Image
B. RunningMn9 - 3h Image
C. LordMortis - 7c Image
D. hentzau - 6h Image
E. Animus - 9d Image
F. Ralph-Wiggum - Td Image
G. Pyperkub - As Image
H. itaiyo - 4c Image
I. godhugh - 5h Image
J. CSL - 2c Image

That puts the table in the following order (also listed in the alpha post) for the first hand:

Pyperkub [button]
CSL [small blind (SB)]
RunningMn9 [big blind (BB)]
itaiyo [under the gun (UTG)]
godhugh [first early position (FEP)]
hentzau [second early position (SEP)]
LordMortis [early middle position (EMP)]
Austin [middle position (MP)]
Animus [late middle position (LMP)]
Ralph-Wiggum [cut off (CO)]

HAND01 Level 1: Blinds 1/2
Bankroll
0200 Pyperkub
0200 CSL
0200 RunningMn9
0200 itaiyo
0200 godhugh
0200 hentzau
0200 LordMortis
0200 Austin
0200 Animus
0200 Ralph-Wiggum

Action
CSL (199) in small blind for 1
RunningMn9 (198) in big blind for 2 (Pot: 3)

ACTION ON itaiyo (200)

PMs with hole cards to be sent out immediately. Pose any questions in the thread or via PM.

Best of luck, all.

[edit:] PMs are all now sent for hole cards, and itaiyo also got an action alert letting him know he's on the clock before his hand would be declared dead.

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In. ;)

(Edit: and by "in" I mean in the game, no all there. :P)
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You guys better all fold pre-flop because I've got pocket rockets, baby!
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Ralph-Wiggum wrote:You guys better all fold pre-flop because I've got pocket rockets, baby!
We don't want to know what sort of rocket you have in your pocket egg-boy.
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At the end of each level I will post a few statistics about the hole cards dealt. I'm thinking the number of pocket pairs, suited connectors (As Ks down to 3c 2c) , non-suited connectors (e.g., Jc Th), and suited hole cards of any sort. At the end of the game I'll post the number of each type of pocket pair. Should give folks an indication as to how their cards were compared to the group, and should give folks some peace of mind regarding my quality of randomization.

Anything else folks'd like to see (or not see, if you're worried the above is too revealing)?

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Post by Ralph-Wiggum »

Once the game is over, I wouldn't mind seeing who (based purely on traditional hand rankings) had the best cards overall. And perhaps which cards were most commonly played, won, etc.
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That's a good thought! Having one omniscient person "judge" a poker game does allow folks to slake their "boy, I wonder..." queries.

I'm good with the rabbit hunting (after the game) as well. The flop, turn, and river are generated at the same time as the hole cards, so even if you don't make it to the river, I'll know what would have come for any and all of the hands.

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Irony alert: itaiyo is the only player to not have opened the PM with his hole cards. :)

I think I'm done twiddling with the rules in the alpha post now.

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The Meal wrote:And that makes ten!

I drew for starting seats (ace through ten):
A. Austin - 8s Image
B. RunningMn9 - 3h Image
C. LordMortis - 7c Image
D. hentzau - 6h Image
E. Animus - 9d Image
F. Ralph-Wiggum - Td Image
G. Pyperkub - As Image
H. itaiyo - 4c Image
I. godhugh - 5h Image
J. CSL - 2c Image

That puts the table in the following order (also listed in the alpha post) for the first hand:

Pyperkub [button]
CSL [small blind (SB)]
RunningMn9 [big blind (BB)]
itaiyo [under the gun (UTG)]
godhugh [first early position (FEP)]
hentzau [second early position (SEP)]
LordMortis [early middle position (EMP)]
Austin [middle position (MP)]
Animus [late middle position (LMP)]
Ralph-Wiggum [cut off (CO)]

HAND01 Level 1: Blinds 1/2
Bankroll
0200 Pyperkub
0200 CSL
0200 RunningMn9
0200 itaiyo
0200 godhugh
0200 hentzau
0200 LordMortis
0200 Austin
0200 Animus
0200 Ralph-Wiggum

Action
CSL in small blind for 1
RunningMn9 in big blind for 2
ACTION ON itaiyo


PMs with hole cards to be sent out immediately. Pose any questions in the thread or via PM.

Best of luck, all.

[edit:] PMs are all now sent for hole cards, and itaiyo also got an action alert letting him know he's on the clock before his hand would be declared dead.

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The Meal wrote:That's a good thought! Having one omniscient person "judge" a poker game does allow folks to slake their "boy, I wonder..." queries.

I'm good with the rabbit hunting (after the game) as well. The flop, turn, and river are generated at the same time as the hole cards, so even if you don't make it to the river, I'll know what would have come for any and all of the hands.

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Cool, RM9. I was hoping everyone'd eventually say that (as that way I don't end up with any more knowledge than anyone else).

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The Meal wrote:That's a good thought! Having one omniscient person "judge" a poker game does allow folks to slake their "boy, I wonder..." queries.

I'm good with the rabbit hunting (after the game) as well. The flop, turn, and river are generated at the same time as the hole cards, so even if you don't make it to the river, I'll know what would have come for any and all of the hands.

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Boy, oh boy. All my secrets revealed. I'm not sure about that. I'm going to have to pretend for the sake of this game that I am much worse liar than I am in reality, as if there were money on the line.

When we play, we often let the folding player publicly see the river (not the turn and river) card if they ask for it. I'm not sure it ever mattered to me. Couldashouldawouldas do nothing but upset me and cause me to tell too much. I'm not good enough to play that part of the game treacherously enough.
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Dammit, I didn't see this in time. This is the kind of forum game that could pop my forum game cherry!
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If it goes well, we'll do it again. And likely as a MTT, not a SNG. So keep your peepers here, heckle a lot, and be more aware the next time we're asking for signups. :)

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LordMortis wrote:All my secrets revealed. I'm not sure about that. I'm going to have to pretend for the sake of this game that I am much worse liar than I am in reality, as if there were money on the line.
*Ideally* (to me) I reveal everything and wash my hands of any extra knowledge. But what R-W was proposing was merely ranking the quality of cards players received from a 1 to 10 (not actually telling folks their hands).

Assuming no one busts out, after 160 hands, I'll be able to show how close we got to 1-in-17 pocket pairs, etc. Hopefully that isn't too revealing (by not updating this but every 10 hands, I don't think chances are too likely for folks to backcalculate on curiousities at the river as to whether "he had it" or not).

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The Meal wrote:
LordMortis wrote:All my secrets revealed. I'm not sure about that. I'm going to have to pretend for the sake of this game that I am much worse liar than I am in reality, as if there were money on the line.
*Ideally* (to me) I reveal everything and wash my hands of any extra knowledge. But what R-W was proposing was merely ranking the quality of cards players received from a 1 to 10 (not actually telling folks their hands).

Assuming no one busts out, after 160 hands, I'll be able to show how close we got to 1-in-17 pocket pairs, etc. Hopefully that isn't too revealing (by not updating this but every 10 hands, I don't think chances are too likely for folks to backcalculate on curiousities at the river as to whether "he had it" or not).

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LordMortis wrote:I'm just being a pain in the ass. If I couldn't do that, I'd have nothing.
There's only one thing that I know how to do well
And I've often been told that you only can do
What you know how to do well
And that's be you,
Be what you're like,
Be like yourself,
And so I'm having a wonderful time
But I'd rather be whistling in the dark


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LordMortis wrote:as if there were money on the line.
I would hope that *everyone* would play as if there were money on the line. Otherwise what would be the point? We could just flip coins or something.
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Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
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LordMortis
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RunningMn9 wrote:
LordMortis wrote:as if there were money on the line.
I would hope that *everyone* would play as if there were money on the line. Otherwise what would be the point? We could just flip coins or something.
Hopefully the point will be to watch a guy who is playing like there is money on the line lose the equivalent of a flip of a coin.

Either you will win or you will lose. That's 50-50, right?
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LordMortis wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:
LordMortis wrote:as if there were money on the line.
I would hope that *everyone* would play as if there were money on the line. Otherwise what would be the point? We could just flip coins or something.
Hopefully the point will be to watch a guy who is playing like there is money on the line lose the equivalent of a flip of a coin.

Either you will win or you will lose. That's 50-50, right?
Angelina Jolie may have something to say about that...
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!

Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
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Raise: Make it 6 chips
People suck.

I don't think you need to dice suckatude up into little groups of "clients" or "mean people"... it saves you a lot of effort just to put the whole human race into one big ball of suck. - Mr Sparkle
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Post by Ralph-Wiggum »

itaiyo wrote:Raise: Make it 6 chips
:shock:

Don't you know I have pocket Aces?

:shock:
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