Battlestar Galactica Game - Game Over

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:18 am

Krash wrote:
Austin wrote:
tru1cy wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Withdraw Austin

FYI: I'm not the best choice for someone to vote for this round. I am not cylon.
Why? You've been quiet. Too quiet to be honest
Yeah, I'm pretty sure Pr0ner is special. I'm also pretty sure he'll be the next one we vote for, barring some big piece of info. I'd say that he or I would be the easiest the bandwagon against in any case. I think I've won a few confidences but who can tell?

Anyway, if Pr0ner is going to claim to be special as there is no way he's a regular commoner should he do it soon? *NOTE* I'm not asking Pr0ner to come out if he's Athena or someone, just pointing out that he looks bad right now and if he's silent because he's special he needs to weigh his options at this point.
Austin - I'm puzzled why you keep naming people as special, especially after calling out Grundbegriff on Day 1 with your long list of examples of him supposedly calling out specials. I've seen you do it more than once and you're doing it here. Why is that?

Hmmm? I'm saying that Pr0ner looks bad. I'm allow his badness looking to be due to his silence. His silence might be due to him being special. I'd rather a special spill it than get lynched and die quietly. Have I done this with others too?

I know I've raised some general questions about specials staying in or out. So far not many people have been willing to comment either way on it. I think one thing Grund did nicely was at least try to make people come down one way or the other on these ideas. What do you think Krash? Do you think specials should stay quiet or come out around now?

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:41 am

Austin wrote:It is tough indeed. I think my mind has decided that McNutt was Balthar. I wonder though as Lassr having me eat the sponge sends me innocent signals. I know I guaranteed that McNutt was a cylon, not that he was innocent, but I'm curious if Lassr would have added that part in if he was Balthar. <Over thinking there I'm sure>

Well, there's some things I can't quite figure out. If Baron was Six and McNutt was Baltar, then there had to be a hookup on Night 1, which is not impossible, especially since Baron was the first to post here when the game started and left his little "clue" post during the night cycle. Except, if there was a hookup on Night 1, then why would McNutt (if he was Baltar) bring unecessary attention to himself?

So, maybe Baron was Cavil. That would mean that there could have been a hookup on Night 1 or 2, but everything didn't seem to fit there either.

Lastly, McNutt could have actually been innocent. Why he would act so strange I don't know - he seemed to react to accusations with just reciprocating accusations and never really made a case for himself. If he was innocent - I can't yet figure out why you and Chaos really opposed to HeloZap him.

Was McNutt actually a BadGuy and you guys thought Grund was Helo? Knowing that, then you would know that Twelve would have killed Grund and waste his Helo shot.

Not to show my hand, but I am *thisclose* to voting for you and it won't take much to have me join a bandwagon against you. On Day 1 you were the first person I pegged as innocent, but since then, you've been very suspicious and then when I first mentioned my suspicions and Grund reciprocated, you started dropping all the not-so-subtle hints of every special out there in an attempt to confuse. At this point, I don't like you. (pertaining to the game that is

)

Austin wrote:Krash, tell me about yourself.

What would you like to know? Does your cylon database not have any information on me?

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:46 am

Austin wrote:Hmmm? I'm saying that Pr0ner looks bad. I'm allow his badness looking to be due to his silence. His silence might be due to him being special. I'd rather a special spill it than get lynched and die quietly. Have I done this with others too?

I know I've raised some general questions about specials staying in or out. So far not many people have been willing to comment either way on it. I think one thing Grund did nicely was at least try to make people come down one way or the other on these ideas. What do you think Krash? Do you think specials should stay quiet or come out around now?

Well, I was heavily pushing Helo to come out to shoot McNutt before we lynched Chaos, so I am not entirely opposed to them coming out, but at this point, I really don't think it's a good idea without having knowledge of Baron and McNutt's roles. I am NOT saying Apollo should come out either - what I'm saying is that if there are any specials left, they should not come out unless it would be necessary to preserve a win. But, you've played these games more than I have, so I'm still learning. What's the consensus here?

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:50 am

I'm not going to comment on whether specials should come out or not. I think that if Athena feels like she has enough information to win us the game then YES, definatly come out. I don't know what Athena knows, so I'll leave it up to her.

I think bubbles came out too soon, but since he was out it made sense for him to kill the most suspicious player.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:53 am

Krash wrote:Not to show my hand, but I am *thisclose* to voting for you and it won't take much to have me join a bandwagon against you. On Day 1 you were the first person I pegged as innocent, but since then, you've been very suspicious and then when I first mentioned my suspicions and Grund reciprocated, you started dropping all the not-so-subtle hints of every special out there in an attempt to confuse. At this point, I don't like you. (pertaining to the game that is )

I also feel like him saying "come kill me if McNutt is innocent" is some sort of dare or bluff, to make us uncertain about whether to kill him or let him live. ..But then again, I'm sort of doing the same thing myself, so I don't know what to make of it.
I guess what I'm saying is, it wouldn't take too much for me to switch my vote to Austin.

There is one thing that leads me to believe that Austin is innocent, but it's metagame, so I'm not sure I want to rely on it.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 11:55 am

Krash wrote:
Austin wrote:Hmmm? I'm saying that Pr0ner looks bad. I'm allow his badness looking to be due to his silence. His silence might be due to him being special. I'd rather a special spill it than get lynched and die quietly. Have I done this with others too?

I know I've raised some general questions about specials staying in or out. So far not many people have been willing to comment either way on it. I think one thing Grund did nicely was at least try to make people come down one way or the other on these ideas. What do you think Krash? Do you think specials should stay quiet or come out around now?
Well, I was heavily pushing Helo to come out to shoot McNutt before we lynched Chaos, so I am not entirely opposed to them coming out, but at this point, I really don't think it's a good idea without having knowledge of Baron and McNutt's roles. I am NOT saying Apollo should come out either - what I'm saying is that if there are any specials left, they should not come out unless it would be necessary to preserve a win. But, you've played these games more than I have, so I'm still learning. What's the consensus here?

Actually I am not experienced. My first game I was The Hunter and was killed by Lord Mortis on Day 1 when he was lynched as the Berzerker wolf. (Think 12 blowing up)

The next Vampire game I was killed on night 1 or 2. I was innocent and thought my death would mean specials could live.

This game I wanted to stick around a bit longer but still be active. I'm having fun though and that's pretty much where the strangeness falls in. I mentioned my willingness to die earlier. Better me than a special. Better a cylon at this point though.

You're coming across as very knowy. I'm curious if you have info we don't. It could be just the way you come across too. Just a bit on the confident side. If I'm a cylon, I'm voting for me or Pr0ner (assuming neither of us are). I know I'm innocent and I know I come across a little too aggressive. Much of that is stemming from the fact that I have nothing to lose. You kill me, you hurt the humans, but too badly. (And hopefully learn from peoples votes around me)

Watch the votes, look ahead and ask, "Now that we know he's innocent, who voted where and for what?" etc... You come across to me as rather aggressive also. I'm inclined to think that most cylons, at least at this stage would tend toward the other side of things. Otherwise you are rather suspicious to me also. At least not in my Tru1cy circle of trust.

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:14 pm

Austin wrote:Actually I am not experienced. My first game I was The Hunter and was killed by Lord Mortis on Day 1 when he was lynched as the Berzerker wolf. (Think 12 blowing up)

The next Vampire game I was killed on night 1 or 2. I was innocent and thought my death would mean specials could live.

This game I wanted to stick around a bit longer but still be active. I'm having fun though and that's pretty much where the strangeness falls in. I mentioned my willingness to die earlier. Better me than a special. Better a cylon at this point though.

You're coming across as very knowy. I'm curious if you have info we don't. It could be just the way you come across too. Just a bit on the confident side. If I'm a cylon, I'm voting for me or Pr0ner (assuming neither of us are). I know I'm innocent and I know I come across a little too aggressive. Much of that is stemming from the fact that I have nothing to lose. You kill me, you hurt the humans, but too badly. (And hopefully learn from peoples votes around me)

Watch the votes, look ahead and ask, "Now that we know he's innocent, who voted where and for what?" etc... You come across to me as rather aggressive also. I'm inclined to think that most cylons, at least at this stage would tend toward the other side of things. Otherwise you are rather suspicious to me also. At least not in my Tru1cy circle of trust.

Heh, I came off a little aggressive towards Archinerd twice - it's not really my style though. Right now, I'm just trying to push things along since it was pretty much quiet yesterday after McNutt's death. I think we're all walking on eggshells right now. I realize I may be sealing my fate right now by making blanket accusations, but I just pushing some conversation. I don't really know anything - that's why I'm looking for info.

be back later

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:28 pm

Krash wrote: I realize I may be sealing my fate right now by making blanket accusations, but I just pushing some conversation.

I'm inclined to think that more aggressive types are less likely to be cylons at this stage so you're helping your cause with me.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:32 pm

Austin wrote:
Krash wrote: I realize I may be sealing my fate right now by making blanket accusations, but I just pushing some conversation.
I'm inclined to think that more aggressive types are less likely to be cylons at this stage so you're helping your cause with me.

Austin is correct. The more you talk the better your case. I'm more suspicious of the quiet players at the moment. Being quiet gives us no information and I'd rather eliminate the quiet onse than people actually participating

Still waiting on pr0ner explanation

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:33 pm

To clarify we can't expect everyone to have the same Internet access and such during the day. But when people just check in with no substance, it strikes me as quiet.

st_dysan · Post by **st_dysan** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:35 pm

Hey all, Lots of sinners at the chapel, gonna busy blessing till early evening (ie..busy at work).

Input then

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:38 pm

st_dysan wrote:Hey all, Lots of sinners at the chapel, gonna busy blessing till early evening (ie..busy at work).

Input then

Must be good to work so closely with the son.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:47 pm

Austin wrote:
Krash wrote: I realize I may be sealing my fate right now by making blanket accusations, but I just pushing some conversation.
I'm inclined to think that more aggressive types are less likely to be cylons at this stage so you're helping your cause with me.

Agreed. I would am considering Krash, Austin and Tru1cy trustworthy. And of course Bubbles.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:49 pm

tru1cy wrote:
Austin wrote:
Krash wrote: I realize I may be sealing my fate right now by making blanket accusations, but I just pushing some conversation.
I'm inclined to think that more aggressive types are less likely to be cylons at this stage so you're helping your cause with me.
Austin is correct. The more you talk the better your case. I'm more suspicious of the quiet players at the moment. Being quiet gives us no information and I'd rather eliminate the quiet onse than people actually participating

Still waiting on pr0ner explanation

Remus advocates killing the quiets early and often when there is nothing else to go on.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:56 pm

How long before we all have recognizable styles.

Archenerd and Krash have been reading up on the Grund style I see. Hmmm Tru1cy seems to prefer the techniques as described in "It's not Remucide Damnit: An Autobiography". Unfortunately my greatest hope is to be seen as following the way of Chaosraving.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 2:14 pm

tru1cy wrote:Smutly, pr0ner and Kelric have all been quiet. I think I will lodge my vote against Kelric. We need information and your silence is a bit to loud for me

This vote isn't set in stone.

Maybe because I posted that I wasn't going to be around from Wednesday afternoon until Friday afternoon?

tru1cy wrote:
Archinerd wrote:
Kelric wrote:Good job, Grund. I suppose I can see how you'd consider that to be less than ideal. <picks a piece of flesh off his clothes>

I trust you all to catch the last Cylon by the time I get back on Friday. Just don't lynch me.
You may have to wait for a bit before you get any response tru1cy.
Well crude. I forgot he was out...could be a game ploy?

With as often as I post on OO, I'm not skipping two days worth of internet for one game.

Austin, Archinerd and pr0ner are my top suspects in no particular order right now. I think there's a Cylon among you, I just don't know which one. I'm more inclined to lynch pr0ner at this point over his absolute quiet.

Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:07 pm

Honestly I suspect pr0ner. I can't give a strong reason other then he strikes me as suspicious. I'm not going to contribute much until after work. Im slammed to the nth degree.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:08 pm

Mr Bubbles wrote:Honestly I suspect pr0ner. I can't give a strong reason other then he strikes me as suspicious. I'm not going to contribute much until after work. Im slammed to the nth degree.

Well, we promise we won't lynch you due to quietness.

If anyone doesn't trust Mr. Bubbles, speak up!

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:26 pm

Kelric wrote:Austin, Archinerd and pr0ner are my top suspects in no particular order right now. I think there's a Cylon among you, I just don't know which one. I'm more inclined to lynch pr0ner at this point over his absolute quiet.

You know, that right there makes me leery of you only because I just listed the same three.

In saying that, I certainly wasn't trying to defend st_dysan earlier either. So, feel free to prod him as well, guys.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:41 pm

Krash wrote:
Kelric wrote:Austin, Archinerd and pr0ner are my top suspects in no particular order right now. I think there's a Cylon among you, I just don't know which one. I'm more inclined to lynch pr0ner at this point over his absolute quiet.
You know, that right there makes me leery of you only because I just listed the same three.

In saying that, I certainly wasn't trying to defend st_dysan earlier either. So, feel free to prod him as well, guys.

We have similar tastes then. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I've voted against Archinerd in the past and have stated my distrust for Austin as well. For lack of a better target, a quiet pr0ner works for me. Smutly is on the list, just not as highly, as are you.

Bubbles and myself are the only ones I trust.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:49 pm

Once again, lynching me is unwise. I am not cylon.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:52 pm

pr0ner wrote:Once again, lynching me is unwise. I am not cylon.

Is anyone else saying anything else about themselves? Are we supposed to wait for someone to come out and say, "Kiss me, I'm a cylon?"

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:56 pm

Well, just look at the voting record. I voted for a known cylon, Chaosraven, twice. Yes, I have suspected people that have turned out to be innocent, but I have withdrawn the votes before any harm can be done.

By the same voting record, Smutly seems most likely to be cylon. And should be the most obvious target.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:57 pm

pr0ner wrote:Once again, lynching me is unwise. I am not cylon.

Okay. Going to rea between the lines here and leave it alone.

withdraw pr0ner

I'm back at square one for someone to lynch

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:58 pm

FYI: Tru1cy also has not voted for either exposed cylon thus far.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 3:59 pm

tru1cy wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Once again, lynching me is unwise. I am not cylon.
Okay. Going to rea between the lines here and leave it alone.

withdraw pr0ner

I'm back at square one for someone to lynch

Sweet.

Once again, lynching me is unwise. I am not cylon.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:00 pm

Ass.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:01 pm

I think I recall some interaction between BAron and Smutly. It was someone and smutly. I need to go back and reread though. It seems like it was pages ago.

tru1cy · Post by **tru1cy** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:04 pm

pr0ner wrote:FYI: Tru1cy also has not voted for either exposed cylon thus far.

Ummm, I voted for ChaosRaven twice I believe. On the lynch vote that got him (kudos, Grund) I was focused on Mcnutt who everyone thought was guilty. Silly me for not following the in crowd.

On the Baron of Hell vote I just felt bad for the guy, Grund got him killed early in the two games he ever played. So yeah, I just couldn't vote for him and it was the first night lynching and I logged a vote for myself. Go figure. I hate first round voting

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:19 pm

Well, you're definitely not my leading suspicion right now. Smutly is. Just going logically right now, is all.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:29 pm

tru1cy wrote:I think CR is being railroad this round. There are better targets than him...like McNutt

tru1cy wrote:Wow you guys bandwagon fast. We should allow Baron of Hell a chance to explain himself.

Btw, I'm starting to notice a pattern in this bandwagoning.

I guess with the abscense of leadership people will grab on to anything. You know Grund and Newcastle could be a cylon (NOT THAT I THINK THEY ARE, but everyone is trusting them both without much challenging from anyone but Archinerd who is being singled out by Grund as well.

As Remus West would say think for yourselves. Grund has been acting quite weird and well...Newcastle is drunk

Now this will put me on Grund's badside which might be a good thing IF he's a cylon

Krash wrote:
Nope, I don't like the way that looks right now with those names.

Withdraw Baron of Hell for now. I want to hear from him before 3 others jump on too fast.

And proner - where are you?

Krash wrote:
Grundbegriff wrote:
Baron Of Hell wrote: Now lets think this through. How could Grund know I'm Balter on day 1?

4. He picked up on my hint. I'm really hoping someone else can pick up on it.
Newcastle picked up on it. I left it undescribed in the hope that someone else would pick up on it, thereby confirming my take on it independent of my influence. When Newc did just that, I congratulated him and felt more confident that I was reading correctly.
C'mon Grund - even I know that is laughable. Whether or not Baron is guilty, that statement alone is ludicrous. Hell, you even got upset twice because no one acknowledged your influence used to help Newcastle spot it. Tsk, tsk.

"Dude, gimme some love."
"Yeah-- I guess I just pulled my inference out of thin air."

I vote Grundbegriff.

Krash wrote:Well, if there is truth to that, the rules state you can withdraw votes until voting is closed.

Is this where Grund removes his vote knowing there are 2-3 over majority?

I may be leading the wrong crusade, but if there is doubt in your vote - take it out! Woohoo!

Anyway, I don't have time to finish as tickets have been cut and I have some ordering to do... finally!

My new trusted list after reviewing around Baron:
st_dysan
Archenerd
Me
Smutly

Other's... we need to talk.

Kelric · Post by **Kelric** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:40 pm

Austin wrote:My new trusted list after reviewing around Baron:
st_dysan
Archenerd
Me
Smutly

Other's... we need to talk.

Lynching me is unwise. I am not Cylon.

pr0ner · Post by **pr0ner** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:05 pm

Austin, you trust Smutly why, exactly? You quoted Krash and tru1cy, and then say Smutly is trusted? After he failed to vote for both Baron and Chaosraven? That's insane.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:13 pm

pr0ner wrote:Austin, you trust Smutly why, exactly? You quoted Krash and tru1cy, and then say Smutly is trusted? After he failed to vote for both Baron and Chaosraven? That's insane.

Trust comes and goes. Go back and read Smutly during the Baron times. The votes themselves are valuable but context is king.

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:25 pm

Austin wrote: My new trusted list after reviewing around Baron:
st_dysan
Archenerd
Me
Smutly

Other's... we need to talk.

Interesting list - where does Kelric and tru1cy fall on your "trusted list"?

Also, I'll save you some time from linking all of my "Save Baron" posts. I freely admit I went on a crusade against Grundbegriff thinking he was a cylon - the funny thing about that is you kept challenging him with all the same questions I had, so it only made me push harder thinking he was bad. So, knowing that Grund is innocent now, you can see why my suspicions of you jumped tremendously when you continued to prod him. Yeah, it has been quite a learning experience.

Anyway, if you wish to question my Baron vote, I was actually the third to cast a vote behind Newcastle and Archinerd. However, Smutly and Kelric followed behind me and I was very suspicious of those last three and was afraid I was part of bandwagon on Baron, so I jumped out. Then Grund decided to keep his vote on Archinerd and claim that he had no influence on the bandwagon, which I disagreed with - thus my vote was cast on Grund and my "crusade" began. Grund eventually voted for Baron and he was lynched. So yeah, I admit I was wrong. I thought I was doing something right at the time. /shrug

Krash · Post by **Krash** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:28 pm

Kelric wrote:Lynching me is unwise. I am not Cylon.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:55 pm

Krash wrote:
Austin wrote: My new trusted list after reviewing around Baron:
st_dysan
Archenerd
Me
Smutly

Other's... we need to talk.
Interesting list - where does Kelric and tru1cy fall on your "trusted list"?

Also, I'll save you some time from linking all of my "Save Baron" posts. I freely admit I went on a crusade against Grundbegriff thinking he was a cylon - the funny thing about that is you kept challenging him with all the same questions I had, so it only made me push harder thinking he was bad. So, knowing that Grund is innocent now, you can see why my suspicions of you jumped tremendously when you continued to prod him. Yeah, it has been quite a learning experience.

Anyway, if you wish to question my Baron vote, I was actually the third to cast a vote behind Newcastle and Archinerd. However, Smutly and Kelric followed behind me and I was very suspicious of those last three and was afraid I was part of bandwagon on Baron, so I jumped out. Then Grund decided to keep his vote on Archinerd and claim that he had no influence on the bandwagon, which I disagreed with - thus my vote was cast on Grund and my "crusade" began. Grund eventually voted for Baron and he was lynched. So yeah, I admit I was wrong. I thought I was doing something right at the time. /shrug

Oh yeah. I think I remember you telling the same tale before. It gets hard to keep track. Now I see why the hardcore types have spreadsheets and such.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 5:56 pm

Also, I didn't get to finish my post when some work was dropped on my desk. I had to get it done before I could head for home. (Home now

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Mr Bubbles · Post by **Mr Bubbles** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 6:50 pm

Is it wrong to like to watch pr0ner sweating it out.

Smutly · Post by **Smutly** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 9:03 pm

Austin wrote:
pr0ner wrote:Austin, you trust Smutly why, exactly? You quoted Krash and tru1cy, and then say Smutly is trusted? After he failed to vote for both Baron and Chaosraven? That's insane.
Trust comes and goes. Go back and read Smutly during the Baron times. The votes themselves are valuable but context is king.

Thank you for pointing that out for me (since I had to explain the same thing to Grund when he questioned my voting).