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As though the "War on Women", "Republican's are Racists", "Everything wrong is due to Climate Change", and "Gun toting Bible thumping crazies" aren't also used to appeal to the fears and biases of target voters.Zarathud wrote:When you blow the dog whistle long enough, don't be surprised when the dog bites you.
In other words, Facebook is filled with people like Rip. And Trump appeals to their fears and biases. Reality television has taken over the political process.
That majority of people that are supporting Trump BELIEVE him. They aren't doing it out of spite, in the sense that they know he's completely and totally full of shit. He's up there saying and repeating the dumb shit that they already believe, and so they think he makes sense, and is just telling it like it is.Zarathud wrote:In other words, Facebook is filled with people like Rip. And Trump appeals to their fears and biases. Reality television has taken over the political process.
Rip wrote:I can list numerous liberal causes that have accomplished at least some of what they want. I can't think of a single conservative cause that hasn't had to give up some ground for nothing gained in return.
Hey, it sells golf, don't it?RunningMn9 wrote: Except he's not just telling it like it is. He's just making shit up out of thin air.
Between the 14th hole and the 15th tee of one of the club’s two courses, Mr. Trump installed a flagpole on a stone pedestal overlooking the Potomac, to which he affixed a plaque purportedly designating “The River of Blood.”
“Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot,” the inscription reads. “The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as ‘The River of Blood.’ ”
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"No. Uh-uh. No way. Nothing like that ever happened there,” said Richard Gillespie, the executive director of the Mosby Heritage Area Association, a historical preservation and education group devoted to an 1,800-square-mile section of the Northern Virginia Piedmont, including the Lowes Island site.
“The only thing that was remotely close to that,” Mr. Gillespie said, was 11 miles up the river at the Battle of Ball’s Bluff in 1861, a rout of Union forces in which several hundred were killed. “The River of Blood?” he added. “Nope, not there.”
Mr. Gillespie’s contradiction of the plaque’s account was seconded by Alana Blumenthal, the curator of the Loudoun Museum in nearby Leesburg. (A third local expert, who said he had written to Mr. Trump’s company about the inscription’s falsehoods and offered to provide historically valid replacement text, insisted on anonymity because he did not want to cross the Trump Organization by disclosing a private exchange.)
In a phone interview, Mr. Trump called himself a “a big history fan” but deflected, played down and then simply disputed the local historians’ assertions of historical fact.
I can confirm from my own experiences in a command bunker that rumors, hoaxes and general chaos were on the menu that day. I remember specifically hearing potential bomb threats by way of people calling in "suspicious packages" from random towns. I remember talks of curfew to avoid looting and possible vigilante activity. I remember seeing an F-16 (I think) flying low near the building I was in as it raced to intercept a small aircraft that tried taking off from a local air field. I also remember hearing the reports of celebration, but they were mixed in with so many other bits of information, it was all just "noise".In the short term, it may, by playing on voters' apprehensions, be appealing politically. In the long-term, it will, by isolating an entire community, play into the hands of ISIS recruiters, who seek out the alienated and dispossessed among Muslim youth.
Whatever the message, it is just plain wrong to cite thousands of Muslims dancing in Jersey City or Paterson on 9/11 as support. That simply never happened.
The Washington Post "Fact Checker" column awards Trump a Four-Pinocchio rating. Again.Smoove_B wrote:To that end, the former NJ State Attorney General (the one that was in charge on 9/11/2001) comments on the celebrating Muslims:
I can confirm from my own experiences in a command bunker that rumors, hoaxes and general chaos were on the menu that day. I remember specifically hearing potential bomb threats by way of people calling in "suspicious packages" from random towns. I remember talks of curfew to avoid looting and possible vigilante activity. I remember seeing an F-16 (I think) flying low near the building I was in as it raced to intercept a small aircraft that tried taking off from a local air field. I also remember hearing the reports of celebration, but they were mixed in with so many other bits of information, it was all just "noise".In the short term, it may, by playing on voters' apprehensions, be appealing politically. In the long-term, it will, by isolating an entire community, play into the hands of ISIS recruiters, who seek out the alienated and dispossessed among Muslim youth.
Whatever the message, it is just plain wrong to cite thousands of Muslims dancing in Jersey City or Paterson on 9/11 as support. That simply never happened.
The Facts
This is a bit like writing about the hole in the doughnut — how can you write about nothing?
Trump says that he saw this with his own eyes on television and that it was well covered. But an extensive examination of news clips from that period turns up nothing. There were some reports of celebrations overseas, in Muslim countries, but nothing that we can find involving the Arab populations of New Jersey except for unconfirmed reports. (Some conspiracy Web sites cite a column by controversial blogger and commentator Debbie Schlussel, who is highly critical of Muslims, that makes a reference to an MTV broadcast of protests and riots in Paterson, N.J.; this claim has never been authenticated.) As the Newark Star-Ledger put it in an article on Sept. 18, 2001, “rumors of rooftop celebrations of the attack by Muslims here proved unfounded.”
Neither can we find any examples of Trump previously talking about this. Here, for example, is an article in the New York Post interviewing Trump just eight days after the attack; he makes no mention of having witnessed the alleged celebrations. And in a foreword for a book titled “Where Were You On 9/11?,” Trump makes no mention of this: “I was in my apartment in the Trump Tower [on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001]. I knew what was happening because I can see downtown to the Financial district.”
Trump never needed USA Today. Does he even need Fox? Maybe the beast of GOP rage is breaking free of its handlers.tgb wrote:When Walter Cronkite (kids ask your parents) came out against the war in Viet Nam, LBJ famously said "If we lost Cronkite, we lost the country", and it was one of the key elements in his decision not to run for reelection.
Now Trump has lost USA Today.
Could this finally be the beginning of the end?
There's no talent involved with being stubborn.Kraken wrote:
The guy is so good it's scary.
Half of his time is spent thanking God for the whole shaved-heads-are-cool thing.hepcat wrote:There's no talent involved with being stubborn.Kraken wrote:
The guy is so good it's scary.
In other news, I think Trump cancelled the meeting after realizing that Bishop Paul Morton is way cooler looking than he is.
I mean seriously, that guy is one cool looking cat.
That's not Trump enough. He should have called his own presser to announce that he was taking over as head of the African American Evangelical Church Coalition and had decided to announce his support for himself in his run at the Presidency.hepcat wrote: On the matter of Trump, I have to wonder why he just didn't go ahead with the conference and then declare to the world that they were all backing him...even if they said they weren't.
1) As a sensational threat, it gets Trump media coverage;Donald Trump on Monday night threatened to boycott the next Republican presidential debate unless hosting network CNN donates $5 million to charity.
“How about I tell CNN, who doesn’t treat me properly, I’m not gonna do the next debate, OK?” Trump said at a rally in Georgia. “How about we do this for CNN: I won’t do the debate unless they pay me $5 million, all of which money goes to the Wounded Warriors or goes to vets?”
Holman wrote:Trump to CNN: Pay $5,000,000 to See Me in Your GOP Debate.
1) As a sensational threat, it gets Trump media coverage;Donald Trump on Monday night threatened to boycott the next Republican presidential debate unless hosting network CNN donates $5 million to charity.
“How about I tell CNN, who doesn’t treat me properly, I’m not gonna do the next debate, OK?” Trump said at a rally in Georgia. “How about we do this for CNN: I won’t do the debate unless they pay me $5 million, all of which money goes to the Wounded Warriors or goes to vets?”
2) As a promise to veterans' charities, Trump gets credit for a good cause;
3) As an outlandish move no other candidate would have considered, it runs runs rings around conventional politics;
4) As an attack on CNN, it's red meat for the base;
5) As a hypothetical, it commits him to nothing.
No one can say Trump doesn't know the art of the deal.
The only problem: does Trump even understand the difference between leading the greatest nation in the world and producing a hit show?
Unless the country is simply cancelled due to poor ratings, of course.Holman wrote:I suppose we're all fired, then.
Asked how he could prevent civilian casualties while carrying out his plan to “bomb the hell” out of the Islamic State terrorist group, the Republican presidential frontrunner said America was “fighting a very politically correct war” and needed to focus on neutralizing the associates of terrorists.
“When you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families,” Trump said. “They care about their lives. Don’t kid yourself. But they say they don’t care about their lives. You have to take out their families.”
We have very different definitions of the word "thousands". Mine is based on math.
Word parsing, an act of desperation.hepcat wrote:We have very different definitions of the word "thousands". Mine is based on math.
But hey, Trump gonna Trump.
In other news the "Million Man" march wasn't.People can be forgiven if they don't know whether to believe Donald Trump's claim that he saw Muslims celebrating 9/11 in New Jersey. But I, a New Yorker who was nearly killed in 9/11 and had that day burned into my memory, saw it with my own eyes. There was a video aired of the incident. I remember seeing obviously Arab-looking individuals dancing and shouting for joy on rooftops. There were less than thousands of them, but there were way more than a handful.
And it wasn't in the Gaza Strip. I know Jersey City well enough to be able to tell the difference between the two (though increasingly there are similarities). In the article I wrote yesterday, many of you wrote in the comments section that you saw the same news video.
Liberals are attempting to discredit Trump by parsing his words. The key phrase is that Trump saw "thousands of Muslims celebrating." Of course, the video didn't show thousands of Muslims celebrating 9/11. To do that, you'd need footage from the Goodyear Blimp floating over the stadium at the Meadowlands. But there were significant numbers, dozens at least, who were celebrating. But because the "thousands" part of Trump's claim cannot be substantiated, the media want you to think the whole thing never happened.
That is one of numerous incidents that happened during that period of time.hepcat wrote:That is correct. You've parsed down Trump seeing thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets of New Jersey on televised news casts to one guy claiming he saw more than a handful of "Arab looking" people dancing on rooftops.
Come on, Rip. You can be better than this, man. That's just idiotic.
No really. It happened. And the footage is locked away in the interdimensional vault all the Berenstein Bears books and the Abe Vigoda obituaries.hepcat wrote:That is correct. You've parsed down Trump repeatedly stating he saw thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating in the streets of New Jersey on televised news casts to one guy claiming he saw more than a handful of "Arab looking" people dancing on rooftops.
Come on, Rip. You can be better than this, man. That's just idiotic.
Memory is totally reliable. Memory when guided by ideology and politics is usually perfect.GreenGoo wrote:Uh, we've known since 9/11 there were reports. They were investigated.
Where are you going with this? Are you trying to make an intelligent argument or are you throwing stuff at the wall and hoping someone mistakes it for one?
