Super Bowl LI

rshetts2 · Post by **rshetts2** » Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:09 pm

With the division on the line there is no way in hell Rodgers gets rested. Unless GB is thumping the Lions in the 2nd half he will play the entire game. Hell, the Cowboys, with nothing to play for, kept their starting QB in the entire game, last week.
If Washington loses on Sunday, Detroit is in. There is no way they sit an injured Stafford on Sunday nite and give up the division for a wild card berth. No way GB does that either.
Please explain the circumstances that led to a team sitting their starter with the division championship on the line because I have never heard of that happening. Teams do not give up the division championship and home field advantage to accept a wild card berth instead.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:32 pm

Bart Scott

Now that Rex Ryan has been shown the door in Buffalo, Bills defensive lineman Marcell Dareus has criticized his former coach, saying Ryan’s scheme was “too much detail for a lot of guys.”

Bart Scott, who played for Ryan, couldn’t disagree more.

“That might sum the whole thing up – because that’s the guy that you gave $100 million,” Scott said on CBS Sports Radio’s The DA Show. “Instead of reading his play book, he was too busy lighting up. Are you serous? First of all, I’ve been in this system my entire career. Eleven years, I’ve been in this system. As a defensive lineman, you only have like four (or five) fronts. Man, if you can’t remember five fronts, I don’t know what to tell you, bro. We can’t put the play book in crayon.

“To me, you have to learn the concepts, not the individual plays,” Scott said. “When you learn the individual plays, you put each defense as an individual. I can explain to you the entire defense. (One) call might be ‘Bull Fire Zone.’ What’s the first letter of bull?”

That would be a “B.”

“Boundary,” Scott said. “(The pressure is) coming from the boundary. That’s all Dareus has to know.”

As Scott explained, Ryan’s defense uses code words like “bull” to tell the defense what to do and where to go. If Scott didn’t have trouble with it as a linebacker, it’s hard to understand how Dareus has trouble with it as a lineman.

“I’ve had teammates that were special needs in high school and college,” Scott said. “I played with at least four teammates that were dyslexic and they picked it up. So Marcell Dareus needs to be reevaluated. I don’t know what his Wonderlic was, but for him to say that defense was complicated, I don’t know.”

Lassr · Post by **Lassr** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:40 pm

Notice Dareus didn't say it was too complicated for him, he said for some guys. Dareus excelled under Saban's defense and some former Bama players in the NFL said said Saban's defense was more complex than a lot of NFL defenses.

More likely Rex was not strict, a players coach, and players got lazy under him.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:58 pm

Thank you Bart Scott.

But as noted, Dareus didn't say that HE had trouble with it. He said that some of the other dudes had trouble with it. The defensive line had a pretty good year. The LBs didn't seem to struggle that much. Time and again, the secondary fell apart. Maybe he was referring to the secondary?

There was another Bills defender who was asked for his reaction to Rex's firing - "that was like music to my ears".

I find that stunning, and whoever it was, I would like them off the team. To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.

Inverarity · Post by **Inverarity** » Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:05 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.

Except it really hasn't.

Also, Chip Kelly and GM Baalke are both out in SF.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:41 am

Inverarity wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.
Except it really hasn't.

Also, Chip Kelly and GM Baalke are both out in SF.

I wish they could fire the Yorks.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:55 am

I really don't understand firing coaches after 1 or 2 seasons.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:40 am

It's what bad organizations do to ensure that they stay bad. If you aren't overreacting to fan discontent, you aren't trying.

Regarding Rex's defenses, there is a very stark difference between the Ravens/Jets D under Ryan and the disaster that has been the last two seasons.

I've heard a dozen former players echo Bart Scott's sentiments. Only the Bills defensive players seem to be lamenting how complicated and detail-oriented it is.

Hopefully they can figure out Gus Bradley's system.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:01 am

Rumors in Denver this morning is Kubiak is retiring after today.

Bring in Kyle Shanahan!!

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:23 am

What?!?

Edit to add: I guess that makes sense with his health issues.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:06 am

Wow, hadn't heard that. Rumors are swirling that Arians will retire too. Crazy year.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:09 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Inverarity wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.
Except it really hasn't.

Also, Chip Kelly and GM Baalke are both out in SF.
I wish they could fire the Yorks.

Interesting that the ESPN article says that league sources have told Schefter that this was going to happen. Not SF sources but league sources. I think Baalke had run his course, but giving up on Kelly this soon would be a waste of money. Not my money however...

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:18 pm

Assuming Floyd can get a handle on the drinking thing, he's going to be quite an interesting addition to the Pats this post season.

Captain Caveman · Post by **Captain Caveman** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:58 pm

Oakland at Houston next week must be one of the least appealing playoff games in recent memory.

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:43 pm

Captain Caveman wrote:Oakland at Houston next week must be one of the least appealing playoff games in recent memory.

I'd agree...and I'm an Oakland fan.

David Carr made this team work, and they're mediocre (on a good day) without him.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:11 am

So I got to see a team score and onside kick TD today, so there's that.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:56 am

Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.

I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.

My ideal scenario would be

David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC

Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers

Skinypupy · Post by **Skinypupy** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:17 pm

Xmann wrote:Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.

I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.

My ideal scenario would be

David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC

Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers

I'd like to see that too...mostly to get Shaw out of Stanford.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:20 pm

If anyone can pry Shaw out of Stanford it will be worth it. But I think Gruden is more likely to return than Shaw leaving Stanford.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:21 pm

Xmann wrote:Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.

I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.

My ideal scenario would be

David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC

Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers

What about QB? Are you sold on Lynch as the future?

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:05 pm

Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:08 pm

stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.

Of those 3, the Rams are easily the best job. Lines in good shape, great rb and a QB to develop.

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:13 pm

Pyperkub wrote: Of those 3, the Rams are easily the best job. Lines in good shape, great rb and a QB to develop.

I'm not sure I would classify Gurley as great. He had a great start to his rookie season and since then has been entirely mediocre (or worse?). Per MMQB, he didn't have a 100 yard game this season and has only surpassed 90 yards once in his last 24 games....

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:20 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
Xmann wrote:Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.

I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.

My ideal scenario would be

David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC

Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers
What about QB? Are you sold on Lynch as the future?

Not sold for sure. He was pretty awful during his two starts, but that's a small sample. I'm definitely not sold on Trevor Siemian. I think his ceiling is much lower than Lynch's.

With the Broncos already asking for permission to interview Shanahan, I bet that's Elway's top choice.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:59 pm

stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.

I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm

McDaniels has decent leverage and no reason to rush, plus he's been fired from one HC position and so another firing (even if unmerited) would be a black mark. So I doubt he would consider the Bills opening.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm

Another minus to being so quick on the firing trigger, incidentally.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:51 pm

RunningMn9 wrote:
stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.

Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:56 pm

Yeah, if I was McDaniels I wouldn't take Buffalo's call. He has the opportunity to stay in NE or choose where to go. He's been a HC before so should have a detailed sense of what he wants to return to that job. BUF doesn't offer that.

After seeing their dumpster fire of a press conference with the GM today, I can't imagine anyone except Anthony Lynn would be interested in the job.

F this team.

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:26 pm

Ralph-Wiggum wrote:
Pyperkub wrote: Of those 3, the Rams are easily the best job. Lines in good shape, great rb and a QB to develop.
I'm not sure I would classify Gurley as great. He had a great start to his rookie season and since then has been entirely mediocre (or worse?). Per MMQB, he didn't have a 100 yard game this season and has only surpassed 90 yards once in his last 24 games....

I think that has a lot more to do with bad wr's and qbs and an unimaginative head coach

The Meal · Post by **The Meal** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:48 pm

stessier wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:
stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.

What?!? Not Denver!?!!

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:57 pm

The Meal wrote:
stessier wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:
stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.
What?!? Not Denver!?!!

Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:40 pm

Pyperkub wrote:
The Meal wrote:
stessier wrote:
RunningMn9 wrote:
stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.
What?!? Not Denver!?!!
Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.

That's a joke, right?

Pyperkub · Post by **Pyperkub** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:13 am

Nope, just a punny choice of words.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:23 am

They checked him out but thought at the interview he was a little flat.

They did note he still seemed to have a lot of tread left.

I will be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:25 am

lol, someone's got to let me in on the joke I guess

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:31 am

Xmann wrote:lol, someone's got to let me in on the joke I guess

Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.

Xmann · Post by **Xmann** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:05 am

Rip wrote:
Xmann wrote:lol, someone's got to let me in on the joke I guess

Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.

stessier · Post by **stessier** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:07 am

I just read the transcript rom the Bills' press conference. Wow.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:51 pm

stessier wrote:I just read the transcript rom the Bills' press conference. Wow.

What happened? I haven't seen anything about this.