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Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2016 6:09 pm
by rshetts2
With the division on the line there is no way in hell Rodgers gets rested. Unless GB is thumping the Lions in the 2nd half he will play the entire game. Hell, the Cowboys, with nothing to play for, kept their starting QB in the entire game, last week.
If Washington loses on Sunday, Detroit is in. There is no way they sit an injured Stafford on Sunday nite and give up the division for a wild card berth. No way GB does that either.
Please explain the circumstances that led to a team sitting their starter with the division championship on the line because I have never heard of that happening. Teams do not give up the division championship and home field advantage to accept a wild card berth instead.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:32 pm
by Isgrimnur
Bart Scott
Now that Rex Ryan has been shown the door in Buffalo, Bills defensive lineman Marcell Dareus has criticized his former coach, saying Ryan’s scheme was “too much detail for a lot of guys.”
Bart Scott, who played for Ryan, couldn’t disagree more.
“That might sum the whole thing up – because that’s the guy that you gave $100 million,” Scott said on CBS Sports Radio’s The DA Show. “Instead of reading his play book, he was too busy lighting up. Are you serous? First of all, I’ve been in this system my entire career. Eleven years, I’ve been in this system. As a defensive lineman, you only have like four (or five) fronts. Man, if you can’t remember five fronts, I don’t know what to tell you, bro. We can’t put the play book in crayon.
“To me, you have to learn the concepts, not the individual plays,” Scott said. “When you learn the individual plays, you put each defense as an individual. I can explain to you the entire defense. (One) call might be ‘Bull Fire Zone.’ What’s the first letter of bull?”
That would be a “B.”
“Boundary,” Scott said. “(The pressure is) coming from the boundary. That’s all Dareus has to know.”
As Scott explained, Ryan’s defense uses code words like “bull” to tell the defense what to do and where to go. If Scott didn’t have trouble with it as a linebacker, it’s hard to understand how Dareus has trouble with it as a lineman.
“I’ve had teammates that were special needs in high school and college,” Scott said. “I played with at least four teammates that were dyslexic and they picked it up. So Marcell Dareus needs to be reevaluated. I don’t know what his Wonderlic was, but for him to say that defense was complicated, I don’t know.”
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:40 pm
by Lassr
Notice Dareus didn't say it was too complicated for him, he said for some guys. Dareus excelled under Saban's defense and some former Bama players in the NFL said said Saban's defense was more complex than a lot of NFL defenses.
More likely Rex was not strict, a players coach, and players got lazy under him.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2016 4:58 pm
by RunningMn9
Thank you Bart Scott.
But as noted, Dareus didn't say that HE had trouble with it. He said that some of the other dudes had trouble with it. The defensive line had a pretty good year. The LBs didn't seem to struggle that much. Time and again, the secondary fell apart. Maybe he was referring to the secondary?
There was another Bills defender who was asked for his reaction to Rex's firing - "that was like music to my ears".
I find that stunning, and whoever it was, I would like them off the team. To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2016 11:05 pm
by Inverarity
RunningMn9 wrote:To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.
Except
it really hasn't.
Also, Chip Kelly and GM Baalke are both out in SF.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:41 am
by Pyperkub
Inverarity wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.
Except
it really hasn't.
Also, Chip Kelly and GM Baalke are both out in SF.
I wish they could fire the Yorks.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 4:55 am
by stessier
I really don't understand firing coaches after 1 or 2 seasons.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:40 am
by RunningMn9
It's what bad organizations do to ensure that they stay bad. If you aren't overreacting to fan discontent, you aren't trying.
Regarding Rex's defenses, there is a very stark difference between the Ravens/Jets D under Ryan and the disaster that has been the last two seasons.
I've heard a dozen former players echo Bart Scott's sentiments. Only the Bills defensive players seem to be lamenting how complicated and detail-oriented it is.
Hopefully they can figure out Gus Bradley's system.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:01 am
by Xmann
Rumors in Denver this morning is Kubiak is retiring after today.
Bring in Kyle Shanahan!!
2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:23 am
by RunningMn9
What?!?
Edit to add: I guess that makes sense with his health issues.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:06 am
by stessier
Wow, hadn't heard that. Rumors are swirling that Arians will retire too. Crazy year.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 5:09 pm
by Pyperkub
Pyperkub wrote:Inverarity wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:To get back to Bart's point - this defense has worked for multiple teams. If if doesn't work for you, you are likely the problem.
Except
it really hasn't.
Also, Chip Kelly and GM Baalke are both out in SF.
I wish they could fire the Yorks.
Interesting that the ESPN article says that league sources have told Schefter that this was going to happen. Not SF sources but league sources. I think Baalke had run his course, but giving up on Kelly this soon would be a waste of money. Not my money however...
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:18 pm
by stessier
Assuming Floyd can get a handle on the drinking thing, he's going to be quite an interesting addition to the Pats this post season.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 9:58 pm
by Captain Caveman
Oakland at Houston next week must be one of the least appealing playoff games in recent memory.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 10:43 pm
by Skinypupy
Captain Caveman wrote:Oakland at Houston next week must be one of the least appealing playoff games in recent memory.
I'd agree...and I'm an Oakland fan.
David Carr made this team work, and they're mediocre (on a good day) without him.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:11 am
by RunningMn9
So I got to see a team score and onside kick TD today, so there's that.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:56 am
by Xmann
Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.
I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.
My ideal scenario would be
David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC
Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 12:17 pm
by Skinypupy
Xmann wrote:Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.
I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.
My ideal scenario would be
David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC
Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers
I'd like to see that too...mostly to get Shaw out of Stanford.

Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:20 pm
by Pyperkub
If anyone can pry Shaw out of Stanford it will be worth it. But I think Gruden is more likely to return than Shaw leaving Stanford.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 2:21 pm
by Pyperkub
Xmann wrote:Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.
I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.
My ideal scenario would be
David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC
Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers
What about QB? Are you sold on Lynch as the future?
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:05 pm
by stessier
Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:08 pm
by Pyperkub
stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
Of those 3, the Rams are easily the best job. Lines in good shape, great rb and a QB to develop.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:13 pm
by Ralph-Wiggum
Pyperkub wrote:
Of those 3, the Rams are easily the best job. Lines in good shape, great rb and a QB to develop.
I'm not sure I would classify Gurley as great. He had a great start to his rookie season and since then has been entirely mediocre (or worse?). Per MMQB, he didn't have a 100 yard game this season and has only surpassed 90 yards once in his last 24 games....
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:20 pm
by Xmann
Pyperkub wrote:Xmann wrote:Kubiak officially retires/resigns or whatever you want to call it.
I would like to see David Shaw from Stanford get a shot at the HC job. If not him, then Sean Payton.
My ideal scenario would be
David Shaw -HC
Mike Mcoy -OC
Wade Phillips -DC
Broncos need OL, DL, and linebackers
What about QB? Are you sold on Lynch as the future?
Not sold for sure. He was pretty awful during his two starts, but that's a small sample. I'm definitely not sold on Trevor Siemian. I think his ceiling is much lower than Lynch's.
With the Broncos already asking for permission to interview Shanahan, I bet that's Elway's top choice.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 3:59 pm
by RunningMn9
stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm
by El Guapo
McDaniels has decent leverage and no reason to rush, plus he's been fired from one HC position and so another firing (even if unmerited) would be a black mark. So I doubt he would consider the Bills opening.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:06 pm
by El Guapo
Another minus to being so quick on the firing trigger, incidentally.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:51 pm
by stessier
RunningMn9 wrote:stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 4:56 pm
by RunningMn9
Yeah, if I was McDaniels I wouldn't take Buffalo's call. He has the opportunity to stay in NE or choose where to go. He's been a HC before so should have a detailed sense of what he wants to return to that job. BUF doesn't offer that.
After seeing their dumpster fire of a press conference with the GM today, I can't imagine anyone except Anthony Lynn would be interested in the job.
F this team.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 5:26 pm
by Pyperkub
Ralph-Wiggum wrote:Pyperkub wrote:
Of those 3, the Rams are easily the best job. Lines in good shape, great rb and a QB to develop.
I'm not sure I would classify Gurley as great. He had a great start to his rookie season and since then has been entirely mediocre (or worse?). Per MMQB, he didn't have a 100 yard game this season and has only surpassed 90 yards once in his last 24 games....
I think that has a lot more to do with bad wr's and qbs and an unimaginative head coach
:lol:
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:48 pm
by The Meal
stessier wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.
What?!? Not Denver!?!!
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 6:57 pm
by Pyperkub
The Meal wrote:stessier wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.
What?!? Not Denver!?!!
Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:40 pm
by Xmann
Pyperkub wrote:The Meal wrote:stessier wrote:RunningMn9 wrote:stessier wrote:Ack, McDaniels (Pats OC ) is interviewing with the Bills, Rams, and Jaguars.
I don't believe he is interviewing with the Bills.
Oops, Rams, Jaguars, and 49ers.
What?!? Not Denver!?!!
Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.
That's a joke, right?
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:13 am
by Pyperkub
Nope, just a punny choice of words.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:23 am
by Rip
They checked him out but thought at the interview he was a little flat.
They did note he still seemed to have a lot of tread left.
I will be here all week, be sure to tip your waitress.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:25 am
by Xmann
lol, someone's got to let me in on the joke I guess
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 1:31 am
by Rip
Xmann wrote:lol, someone's got to let me in on the joke I guess
Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.
Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:05 am
by Xmann
Rip wrote:Xmann wrote:lol, someone's got to let me in on the joke I guess
Denver should definitely kick the tires on Mike McIntyre at Colorado.

Re: 2016 NFL Week 17
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 5:07 am
by stessier
I just read the transcript rom the Bills' press conference. Wow.
Re: 2016 NFL Wild Card Week
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 4:51 pm
by El Guapo
stessier wrote:I just read the transcript rom the Bills' press conference. Wow.
What happened? I haven't seen anything about this.