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Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:16 pm
by malchior
Yikes...he is losing it.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 0141082624
We have claimed, for Electoral Vote purposes, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania (which won’t allow legal observers) the State of Georgia, and the State of North Carolina, each one of which has a BIG Trump lead. Additionally, we hereby claim the State of Michigan if, in fact,.....
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:19 pm
by Skinypupy
See, he's doing it all wrong. He needs to DECLARE it, Michael Scott-style.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:21 pm
by LordMortis
What does that mean and who is we? Widely reported by who?
I claim Trump Towers. They say my claim is valid.
edit:
Skinypupy wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:19 pm
See, he's doing it all wrong. He needs to DECLARE it, Michael Scott-style.
Or maybe "hereby decree" it on twitter.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:21 pm
by malchior
I'm just glad he claimed it for *ELECTORAL VOTE* purposes. Thankfully he isn't grabbing them by the...
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:21 pm
by ImLawBoy
Damnit. He didn't just claim Michigan, he hereby claimed Michigan. That's game over, man.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:22 pm
by Kurth
@stessier - Great write up, and sincere thanks for doing what you did! Whether you were helping Trump voters or Biden voters, what you did in helping make sure people got the chance to vote was extremely important. Thanks!!!
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:03 pm
by MHS
LordMortis wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 6:13 pm
MHS wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:33 pm
I'm going to have to unfriend 80% of my HS friends *if* I go back to Facebook, which I nuked last night.
Welcome to self exile.
I miss FB still not enough to go back. I blocked a lot before I left but there were some complex interwoven relationships to insanity, like Clinton controls mailin ballots and the AMA and FDA are preventing hydrachocroqet from treating COVID insanity (amiright Zaxxon and RM9?) that caused me to self exile, rather setting off a series of events that would lead to the destruction of other close friendships that I was unwilling to terminate.
After these last 36 hours or so, I'm not sure if I'm going back. The ugly face of my nation is waiting to stare me in the eye there and I hate making eye contact. I miss when FB was 100% social for me and I also am at a point where I can no longer divorce politics from social media and can lose my ability to be respectful too easily, and the I threw out my bath water with the babies.
At least I won't miss you on FB any more, right?
"The ugly face of my nation is waiting to stare me in the eye there and I hate making eye contact." This is probably my favorite quote and really captures how I'm feeling. Thank you. And thank you for voting in MI!
And thanks to stessier for the work and the tremendous write-up.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:16 pm
by Kraken
Skinypupy wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:35 pm
MHS wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:33 pm
I'm going to have to unfriend 80% of my HS friends *if* I go back to Facebook, which I nuked last night.
(I totally get it, but still...)
You will be missed. Now I gotta see if I'm friended with Neal and/or Kayla...or did you all flounce out together?
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:24 pm
by MHS
Kraken wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:16 pm
Skinypupy wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:35 pm
MHS wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 5:33 pm
I'm going to have to unfriend 80% of my HS friends *if* I go back to Facebook, which I nuked last night.
(I totally get it, but still...)
You will be missed. Now I gotta see if I'm friended with Neal and/or Kayla...or did you all flounce out together?
Nah, Neal is much better at not letting the internet rule his emotions than I am. I'm sure I'll be back eventually but I need some away time while the vitriol hopefully dies down.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:37 pm
by LordMortis
I was going to wait a week or so and then ask
I guess your current situation suggests, stay away for now, especially as you had one of the more playful walls in my feed when I left.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:40 pm
by RunningMn9
I have been on a six week hiatus from Facebook. If I do go back, that friend list is getting purged, with prejudice.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:02 pm
by LordMortis
RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:40 pm
I have been on a six week hiatus from Facebook. If I do go back, that friend list is getting purged, with prejudice.
And I had just gotten used to having you back and enjoyed your presence on my wall when I left. That wasn't very long for you, was it? FB didn't present me with much of your wall like it did MHS' so I have no idea what it was like.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:26 pm
by Ralph-Wiggum
RunningMn9 wrote:I have been on a six week hiatus from Facebook. If I do go back, that friend list is getting purged, with prejudice.
I left FB about six months ago mainly due to it just being a terrible thing for our democracy. But it certainly didn’t hurt that it let me avoid all the election spats and angst. I don’t really want to rejoin, and probably won’t, but there is a local kayak fishing group only on FB that has tempted me to re-up.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:33 pm
by hitbyambulance
i have never been on FB - didn't get a good feeling about it from the start. my social life has certainly taken a beating due to this, however.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:00 pm
by RunningMn9
LordMortis wrote:RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:40 pm
I have been on a six week hiatus from Facebook. If I do go back, that friend list is getting purged, with prejudice.
And I had just gotten used to having you back and enjoyed your presence on my wall when I left. That wasn't very long for you, was it? FB didn't present me with much of your wall like it did MHS' so I have no idea what it was like.
I rarely posted, except to comment on your wall actually. But Facebook and the University of Chicago paid me $200 to not be on Facebook. It was a welcome reprieve, although to be fair I had a pretty tightly controlled newsfeed.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:08 pm
by LordMortis
RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:00 pm
Facebook and the University of Chicago paid me $200 to not be on Facebook.
That's a sweet gig. I missed that offer.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:18 pm
by Kraken
RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:40 pm
I have been on a six week hiatus from Facebook. If I do go back, that friend list is getting purged, with prejudice.
I've long since purged or silenced all of the toxic people who intrude on my bubble. Some vitriol from "friends of friends" still leaks thru from time to time when I doom scroll. Repeat offenders get blocked. But I've only had to wish a dozen or so trolls into the cornfield -- a handful of the same people do all the trash-talking.
The FIP Warriors group on Facebook saved my cat's life. I will always be grateful for that.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:26 pm
by Little Raven
The party is not falling in line. Some Republicans are not falling in line behind President Donald Trump's attempts to falsely declare victory and seek to halt some vote-counting in the presidential race, with several GOP leaders expressing rare public rebukes of the president.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., a Trump ally who usually avoids criticizing the president in public, told reporters Wednesday that "claiming you've won the election is different from finishing the counting."
With millions of votes still uncounted, Trump in a 2:35 a.m. Wednesday speech at the White House baselessly claimed he had defeated Democrat Joe Biden and alleged "major fraud on our nation" as election officials work through a massive surge in mail-in ballots, which they had long warned would take extra time to count. The president called for a halt in "all voting."
"There's just no basis to make that argument tonight," former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie said on ABC News. "There just isn't. All these votes have to be counted that are in now."
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:45 pm
by Blackhawk
Kraken wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:18 pm
RunningMn9 wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 7:40 pm
I have been on a six week hiatus from Facebook. If I do go back, that friend list is getting purged, with prejudice.
I've long since purged or silenced all of the toxic people who intrude on my bubble.
Likewise. Facebook consists of A) friends who are actual friends, B) family, most of whom are muted, C) a few people I respect, and D) groups that I choose to belong to. No random news feeds, no friends of friends, no following someone just because they once posted a funny picture of a cat.
There is no vitriol when I look at Facebook. There is no fake news.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:54 pm
by Holman
In my experience, the trick with Facebook is NEVER to scroll the feed. Instead, post something interesting and then, when people respond, click on their names (if you like them) to see what they've been up to. Alternately, you can start by searching for a good friend and seeing what they're posting.
Sure, this means you'll miss out on lots of semi-friends' and strangers' social-media product, but that's what friendship meant before we had social media in the first place. Why even encounter the idiocies of people you don't know or like?
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:05 pm
by Kraken
If it weren't for my FB feed, I'd never read Cracked.com. Think how much emptier my life would be then.
Srsly, I find it entertaining and informative. I see lots of posts by favorite local businesses, for example. If Jaju Pierogies is going to be serving lunch at Widowmaker Brewing, I want to know about that. I appreciate posts by Space.com and NASA. FB's algorithm does an admirable job of curating my feed, possibly because I only click posts from trusted sources. Like Cracked.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:14 pm
by Holman
Kraken wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:05 pm
If it weren't for my FB feed, I'd never read Cracked.com. Think how much emptier my life would be then.
Srsly, I find it entertaining and informative. I see lots of posts by favorite local businesses, for example. If Jaju Pierogies is going to be serving lunch at Widowmaker Brewing, I want to know about that. I appreciate posts by Space.com and NASA. FB's algorithm does an admirable job of curating my feed, possibly because I only click posts from trusted sources. Like Cracked.
This is what Twitter is for. Follow lots of good accounts (in your example Cracked, local businesses, etc), and never have to bother with the randos.
Facebook (if you let it) forces assholes in front of your eyes. Twitter doesn't.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:19 pm
by Grifman
The judge is pissed:
https://www.newsandguts.com/postmaster- ... 87EumJA7-Y
Would love to see some jail time here.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:10 am
by malchior
NY Times
The Justice Department told federal prosecutors in an email early on Wednesday that the law allowed them to send armed federal officers to ballot-counting locations around the country to investigate potential voter fraud, according to three people who described the message.
The email created the specter of the federal government intimidating local election officials or otherwise intervening in vote tallying amid calls by President Trump to end the tabulating in states where he was trailing in the presidential race, former officials said.
A law prohibits the stationing of armed federal officers at polls on Election Day. But a top official told prosecutors that the department interpreted the statute to mean that they could send armed federal officers to polling stations and locations where ballots were being counted anytime after that.
The statute “does not prevent armed federal law enforcement persons from responding to, investigate, or prevent federal crimes at closed polling places or at other locations where votes are being counted,” the official, Richard P. Donoghue, told prosecutors in an email that he sent around 1:30 a.m. on Wednesday.
A Justice Department spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment.
Mr. Donoghue, the No. 2 official in the office of the deputy attorney general, Jeffrey A. Rosen, sent his email about half an hour before Mr. Trump made reckless claims including falsely declaring himself the winner of the election and began calling for election officials to stop counting ballots.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 8:44 am
by malchior
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:25 am
by malchior
He is pretty much yelling commands at his base and they are responding. This is deeply irresponsible and reflects the risk level we face. Luckily it hasn't gotten accidentally out of control.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 2022480896
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:28 am
by Paingod
It's heartening to hear the president yelling "Stop Democracy"
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:47 am
by Ralph-Wiggum
Of course, if they stop the count now Biden wins since he's ahead in AZ and NV...
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:54 am
by malchior
Ralph-Wiggum wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 10:47 am
Of course, if they stop the count now Biden wins since he's ahead in AZ and NV...
Yeah - it is because Trump is a fucking moron and just barks out idiotic Id based commands without thinking it through. Still a crowd showed up armed to chant his words. I don't know how this doesn't scare the shit out of people.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 11:01 am
by LawBeefaroni
Holman wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:14 pm
Facebook (if you let it) forces assholes in front of your eyes. Twitter doesn't.
I must be using Facebook wrong. Or maybe right? I signed up in March because it was the only way to get updates on when my local bar and a few other businesses would be open. Hours kept changing, shut down, reopened, shut down, etc and they have little to no web presence, just Facebook. So if I need to stop by I check Facebook. I don't have any friends or walls (?).
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:10 pm
by AWS260
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:16 pm
by LordMortis
He was talking about AZ, right?
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 12:22 pm
by pr0ner
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:11 pm
by Zaxxon
Awesome.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:21 pm
by Jaymann
Once the election is called for Biden, how long will it take Trump to flip to KEEP COUNTING!
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:32 pm
by Defiant
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:15 pm
by Jaymann
Biden's inauguration crowd should dwarf Trump's, even with masks.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:49 pm
by LordMortis
Defiant wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:32 pm
snip
As much as I cannot tell this difference between Trump and a GOP that enables him, this is demonstrable evidence that in some ways I need to allow myself to be thankful for that can.
Jaymann wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:15 pm
Biden's inauguration crowd should dwarf Trump's, even with masks.
And with social distancing.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:52 pm
by LawBeefaroni
Jaymann wrote: Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:15 pm
Biden's inauguration crowd should dwarf Trump's, even with masks.
Honestly I hope he just skips the whole "celebration" thing. Do a small inauguration in the White House and save the money/time for other things.
I get that there's a lot of payback in the inauguration for supporters so skipping it is highly unlikely bit it would be nice. Like a lot of things about the Presidency, Trump has permenantly tarnished it.
Re: Election integrity and the transfer of power
Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:42 pm
by gameoverman
hitbyambulance wrote: Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:33 pm
i have never been on FB - didn't get a good feeling about it from the start. my social life has certainly taken a beating due to this, however.
FB has gone through an interesting evolution. When I first heard of it, it was Myspace for college students. Then after some time my brother in law heard about it and asked me what it was. By that point it was mostly being used to hook up, so that's what I told him. Then he told me the reason he asked was one of his close friends(married) was on it all the time lol. Oops, I wouldn't have described it that way if I had known why he was asking.
Somehow here in 2020 it's known for being used for political/conspiracy purposes. It just goes to show you can't really predict what purposes internet tools and services will wind up being used for as time goes on.