Political Randomness

[malchior]

Wow....Dem women wont even stand for a premature baby and her mother.
Proud moment for them, I guess.

That's what I like about you. You always call out both sides.

Calls em as I sees em.

Does this mean you agreed with everything Trump said as you've had no critique of it?

Nope. Not at all. I chuckled at some of the crap he said and a few moments were obviously pandering to minorities.
But as far back as I can remember this opportunity has been used by Presidents to blow their own horn and trot out "regular" Americans to bolster their points. Didn't find anything Trump did to be a whole lot different.

LOL. This says it all folks. This is like you paid for a traditional circus then the lights go down and the Jim Rose Circus comes out.

[stessier]

Wow....Dem women wont even stand for a premature baby and her mother.
Proud moment for them, I guess.

That's what I like about you. You always call out both sides.

Calls em as I sees em.

Does this mean you agreed with everything Trump said as you've had no critique of it?

Nope. Not at all. I chuckled at some of the crap he said and a few moments were obviously pandering to minorities.
But as far back as I can remember this opportunity has been used by Presidents to blow their own horn and trot out "regular" Americans to bolster their points. Didn't find anything Trump did to be a whole lot different.

Pandering TO minorities????

[malchior]

Pandering TO minorities????

This actually is true. Trump is clearly trying to peel off African American voters. I think some of his strategists see an opportunity in a Pete or Sanders nomination there. This is why Trump has so much advantage. If it's Biden they can calculate they lose the youth vote. If it is Pete and Sanders other pieces are at risk. He has all the time in the world to go after them because he has a lock on the cult.

[stessier]

Pandering TO minorities????

This actually is true. Trump is clearly trying to peel off African American voters. I think some of his strategists see an opportunity in a Pete or Sanders nomination there. This is why Trump has so much advantage. If it's Biden they can calculate they lose the youth vote. If it is Pete and Sanders other pieces are at risk. He has all the time in the world to go after them because he has a lock on the cult.

Considering all the minorities he was denigrating, I guess I overlooked that or thought people who see through it. There is no minority whose best interest is served by voting for Trump.

[Skinypupy]

The official White House Twitter posted this last night:

https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1 ... gr%5Etweet

Speaker Pelosi just ripped up:

One of our last surviving Tuskegee Airmen.

The survival of a child born at 21 weeks.

The mourning families of Rocky Jones and Kayla Mueller.

A service member's reunion with his family.

That's her legacy.

It's fascinating to watch how quickly the idea that Pelosi tore up the speech because of those things (not because the speech was filled with lies, half-truths, and fearmongering) and therefore hates America take root in the conservative conscience.

I'll give them credit for one thing, they certainly know how to coalesce around a message.

[malchior]

Pandering TO minorities????

This actually is true. Trump is clearly trying to peel off African American voters. I think some of his strategists see an opportunity in a Pete or Sanders nomination there. This is why Trump has so much advantage. If it's Biden they can calculate they lose the youth vote. If it is Pete and Sanders other pieces are at risk. He has all the time in the world to go after them because he has a lock on the cult.

Considering all the minorities he was denigrating, I guess I overlooked that or thought people who see through it. There is no minority whose best interest is served by voting for Trump.

Consider that at least 2 of his game show give aways were designed to appeal to them. He made a Tuskegee airman a General and the scholarship. (It also was support for DeVos's charter school initiatives on top). He made references to black unemployment being the lowest ever. It is a clear attempt that has low chances but he has all the space to operate right now because the opposition is feckless.

[Unagi]

I believe that’s because they are desperate for something to say that won’t be laughed at, so they all say what’s agreed upon and wait for the most obnoxious of them to defend it.

Democrats all believe in ‘their message’ , so they often phrase it personally and fail to get as big a message across

[stimpy]

As does this........

I wont be watching the State of the Union address. I already know the state of the union..sad and stupid.

And Ive not watched one in about 20 years with no plans to.

I have no desire to watch this imbecile talk either. SOTU addresses aren't useful anyway IMO. I'm happy to read an extract later and keep the time and avoid sanity checks.

This is in response to malichior's "This says it all" post.

[Unagi]

Also.

Wasn’t normally the SOTU just the president talking to us.
I don’t recall it ever being a ‘show and tell’
(I admit I’ve not watched one in about 3-4 years)

[stimpy]

Also.

Wasn’t normally the SOTU just the president talking to us.
I don’t recall it ever being a ‘show and tell’
(I admit I’ve not watched one in about 3-4 years)

I recall a couple of the last few Presidents that had show and tell.
The Limbaugh thing was cringe worthy, though.......

[YellowKing]

I don't care what your politics are, a President who only agrees to lead one half of the country and dismisses the other half as the enemy is a traitor. That's not upholding your oath of office, it's not patriotism. "The party of Lincoln" my ass.

[Unagi]

Thoughts and prayers

Ditto

Nobody got this ??

no...
I don’t think anyone did get it Unagi.
Your humor is lost on these people it would seem.

[malchior]

Also.

Wasn’t normally the SOTU just the president talking to us.
I don’t recall it ever being a ‘show and tell’
(I admit I’ve not watched one in about 3-4 years)

Recent SOTU's have consistently had the element where the President calls out to the audience to personalize an example of a policy or achievement. This was the first in my memory that they were mostly flat out pandering giveaways. You are the last *BLACK* let me say it again *BLACK* Tuskegee airman alive. You are a GENERAL NOW! We respect *BLACK* PEOPLE *AND* THE MILITARY. It's pandering and a trap all in one. You have to applaud it.

[LawBeefaroni]

I don't care what your politics are, a President who only agrees to lead one half of the country and dismisses the other half as the enemy is a traitor. That's not upholding your oath of office, it's not patriotism. "The party of Lincoln" my ass.

He only needs half. He has unlocked the secret to totalitarianism in the Great Republic. And he'll need less and less as he tears it down.

[malchior]

I don't care what your politics are, a President who only agrees to lead one half of the country and dismisses the other half as the enemy is a traitor. That's not upholding your oath of office, it's not patriotism. "The party of Lincoln" my ass.

He only needs half. He has unlocked the secret to totalitarianism in the Great Republic. And he'll need less and less as he tears it down.

He needs less than half. He has to peel a percentage point or two away in 4 or 5 states and democracy in America is over (if it isn't already).

[malchior]

As does this........

I wont be watching the State of the Union address. I already know the state of the union..sad and stupid.

And Ive not watched one in about 20 years with no plans to.

I have no desire to watch this imbecile talk either. SOTU addresses aren't useful anyway IMO. I'm happy to read an extract later and keep the time and avoid sanity checks.

This is in response to malichior's "This says it all" post.

I have no idea what you are saying but I will reiterate I didn't watch it which is why I got some minor details wrong. I was doing my schoolwork with an analyst's live feed rolling.

[stimpy]

As does this........

I wont be watching the State of the Union address. I already know the state of the union..sad and stupid.

And Ive not watched one in about 20 years with no plans to.

I have no desire to watch this imbecile talk either. SOTU addresses aren't useful anyway IMO. I'm happy to read an extract later and keep the time and avoid sanity checks.

This is in response to malichior's "This says it all" post.

I have no idea what you are saying but I will reiterate I didn't watch it which is why I got some minor details wrong. I was doing my schoolwork with an analyst's live feed rolling.

Commenting on something you didn't watch rings hollow.

[Skinypupy]

As does this........

I wont be watching the State of the Union address. I already know the state of the union..sad and stupid.

And Ive not watched one in about 20 years with no plans to.

I have no desire to watch this imbecile talk either. SOTU addresses aren't useful anyway IMO. I'm happy to read an extract later and keep the time and avoid sanity checks.

This is in response to malichior's "This says it all" post.

I have no idea what you are saying but I will reiterate I didn't watch it which is why I got some minor details wrong. I was doing my schoolwork with an analyst's live feed rolling.

Commenting on something you didn't watch rings hollow.

Your concern is noted.

[malchior]

As does this........

I wont be watching the State of the Union address. I already know the state of the union..sad and stupid.

And Ive not watched one in about 20 years with no plans to.

I have no desire to watch this imbecile talk either. SOTU addresses aren't useful anyway IMO. I'm happy to read an extract later and keep the time and avoid sanity checks.

This is in response to malichior's "This says it all" post.

I have no idea what you are saying but I will reiterate I didn't watch it which is why I got some minor details wrong. I was doing my schoolwork with an analyst's live feed rolling.

Commenting on something you didn't watch rings hollow.

This is pretty lazy. Again. Other sources of information exist and are pretty useful.

[Isgrimnur]

Thoughts and prayers

Ditto

Nobody got this ??

no...
I don’t think anyone did get it Unagi.
Your humor is lost on these people it would seem.

I did after the "Nobody got this ??" line.

[stimpy]

As does this........

I wont be watching the State of the Union address. I already know the state of the union..sad and stupid.

And Ive not watched one in about 20 years with no plans to.

I have no desire to watch this imbecile talk either. SOTU addresses aren't useful anyway IMO. I'm happy to read an extract later and keep the time and avoid sanity checks.

This is in response to malichior's "This says it all" post.

I have no idea what you are saying but I will reiterate I didn't watch it which is why I got some minor details wrong. I was doing my schoolwork with an analyst's live feed rolling.

Commenting on something you didn't watch rings hollow.

This is pretty lazy. Again. Other sources of information exist and are pretty useful.

Yep. Not quite as lazy as relying on second hand accounts, but still.....

[malchior]

Yep. Not quite as lazy as relying on second hand accounts, but still.....

I notice you never argue with or against the facts, add any analysis, or frankly any value to the conversation. That is why it is lazy.

[stimpy]

Then please stop responding to me.
Kthanksbye

[Skinypupy]

I don't care what your politics are, a President who only agrees to lead one half of the country and dismisses the other half as the enemy is a traitor. That's not upholding your oath of office, it's not patriotism. "The party of Lincoln" my ass.

To me, the worst part is that while the destruction of our government has been in motion for decades, Donald Trump - of all people - is the guy that finally brought it to it's knees. That this proudly ignorant, racist, xenophobic, corrupt, reality-show carnival barker is the hill that this country has collectively decided to die on, and which has ultimately proved to much for the system to handle.

That's horribly depressing, but I suppose it was probably inevitable. We get the leaders we deserve.

[hepcat]

Come on fatty foods, you're our last hope!

[malchior]

That's horribly depressing, but I suppose it was probably inevitable. We get the leaders we deserve.

I agree that it is depressing but I disagree that we deserve this. This system is what failed - not the people. It was attacked and undermined. We found out the hard way that the system was mostly built on the good faith of fellow Americans to generally respect each other. That was ultimately its weakness.

[Isgrimnur]

Come on fatty foods, you're our last hope!

Do you want President Pence? Because that's how you get President Pence.

[malchior]

Come on fatty foods, you're our last hope!

Do you want President Pence? Because that's how you get President Pence.

I want President Pence. I want President 'almost anyone else'.

[Isgrimnur]

We found out the hard way that the system was mostly built on the good faith of fellow Americans to generally respect each other. That was ultimately its weakness.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[LawBeefaroni]

This system is what failed - not the people.
...
We found out the hard way that the system was mostly built on the good faith of fellow Americans to generally respect each other. That was ultimately its weakness.

And thus the peoples' failing. We, or at least a large enough number of us, do not respect each other or the primary tenets of our founding.

[Archinerd]

Pandering TO minorities????

blah blah blah

Considering all the minorities he was denigrating, I guess I overlooked that or thought people who see through it. There is no minority whose best interest is served by voting for Trump.

White supremacists seem to be having a moment.

[stessier]

Pandering TO minorities????

blah blah blah

Considering all the minorities he was denigrating, I guess I overlooked that or thought people who see through it. There is no minority whose best interest is served by voting for Trump.

White supremacists seem to be having a moment.

Fair. Although I have begun to fear they are not the minority I thought they were.

[Archinerd]

Fair.

[LordMortis]

Fair. Although I have begun to fear they are not the minority I thought they were.

I still believe (I have nothing to back it up) that they are the minority I thought they were. I have just also grown believe, in total shock and dismay, that the amount of people willing (if not eagerly willing) to look the other way for reason x when it comes to white supremacy is not the minority I thought they were.

[malchior]

Fair. Although I have begun to fear they are not the minority I thought they were.

I still believe (I have nothing to back it up) that they are the minority I thought they were. I have just also grown believe, in total shock and dismay, that the amount of people willing (if not eagerly willing) to look the other way for reason x when it comes to white supremacy is not the minority I thought they were.

The white supremecists are in a tiny minority. And the people looking the other way are a superset that is still a minority. The system is holding us hostage to that. I guess we could all take to the streets but the majority is full of people who don't recognize or worse are deluding themselves to the danger. They don't think it can happen here or that it is both side or whatever lie they tell themselves. A lot of people think the center will hold no matter what. It isn't.

[Skinypupy]

Fair. Although I have begun to fear they are not the minority I thought they were.

I still believe (I have nothing to back it up) that they are the minority I thought they were. I have just also grown believe, in total shock and dismay, that the amount of people willing (if not eagerly willing) to look the other way for reason x when it comes to white supremacy is not the minority I thought they were.

I tend to agree. My guess is that the overall number of true white supremacists is probably not that much greater than before, although they are far more visible and much louder because they feel empowered.

However, the huge number of people who tie themselves in knots to convince themselves that Trump's (and the administrations) actions do not have any racial subtext is hugely disappointing. The number of times I've heard "I'm not racist, but..." seems to be increasing by the hour, sadly.

[Alefroth]

Come on fatty foods, you're our last hope!

I imagine if Melanie divorces him she gets nothing, but what if she made it look like an accident...

[hepcat]

...her and the pool boy have tried this countless times.

[LawBeefaroni]

Come on fatty foods, you're our last hope!

I imagine if Melanie divorces him she gets nothing, but what if she made it look like an accident...

"Whoops, I didn't mean to sign those papers..."

[Alefroth]

...her and the pool boy have tried this countless times.

Damn! Come on fatty foods!