GreenGoo wrote:Uh, we've known since 9/11 there were reports. They were investigated.
Where are you going with this? Are you trying to make an intelligent argument or are you throwing stuff at the wall and hoping someone mistakes it for one?
Is the next step to posit that it's a liberal conspiracy that what would have been a sensational and lucrative story was hushed up because liberals hate America more than they like money?
I'm just noting it as a non issue. Just campaign rhetoric, par for the course. Just like rhetoric about pushing people of cliffs,right to lifers hating women, pro choicers like killing babies, not being born is the USA, The New World Order.
A bunch of exaggerated rhetoric designed to energize the base.
Also, I'm not sure how your youtube video, news article and twitter quote explains how you feel this is a non-issue. Actually, I don't understand your response.
hepcat wrote:You're in the Trump demographic, sadly.
I'm in the anything but Clinton or another Bush demographic.
If that puts me in the Trump demo so be it.
You still should know better than support the guy with the biggest lies though.
Too late he already had two terms without my support.
In the end who I actually support doesn't matter. At the end of the day I get to choose between two people and one of them will be Hillary meaning I will support whoever the other is. Even if it is Darth Vader.
Most of us realized a long time ago that for you, it's not a matter of intelligent choice when it comes to politics.
I won't like voting for Hillary either (if it comes down to that). But as is often the case in politics, I will vote for the lesser of two evils. You, on the other hand, are so full of vitriol and blind rage that you'd vote for Hitler if he showed up on the ballot.
hepcat wrote:Most of us realized a long time ago that for you, it's not a matter of intelligent choice when it comes to politics.
I won't like voting for Hillary either (if it comes down to that). But as is often the case in politics, I will vote for the lesser of two evils. You, on the other hand, are so full of vitriol and blind rage that you'd vote for Hitler if he showed up on the ballot.
I'd have to hear more about Hitler's platform to be sure...
hepcat wrote:He isn't Hillary. That's the only thing you'll hear.
I don't know about only, but it is the certainly the first thing I would hear.
Sad thing is that is the one thing that kept me from being as bummed out about Obama winning. I didn't want him but at least it wasn't her. I feel like the girl who got married to leave home and is about to get divorced and realizes she will have to move back in with the folks.
Rip wrote:I feel like the girl who got married to leave home and is about to get divorced and realizes she will have to move back in with the folks.
Which girl is that? No, scratch that. Which century is that?
Is that back from when America was great?
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
Rip wrote:I feel like the girl who got married to leave home and is about to get divorced and realizes she will have to move back in with the folks.
Which girl is that? No, scratch that. Which century is that?
Is that back from when America was great?
True, today they would get married and move in with mom and dad not being able to afford living alone. I guess they could also just have kids not even get married and move in with mom and dad.
Rip wrote:I feel like the girl who got married to leave home and is about to get divorced and realizes she will have to move back in with the folks.
Which girl is that? No, scratch that. Which century is that?
Is that back from when America was great?
True, today they would get married and move in with mom and dad not being able to afford living alone. I guess they could also just have kids not even get married and move in with mom and dad.
Leaked memo from party official offers advice to GOP candidates in the case of a Trump nomination: Embrace Trumpishness.
In the memo on “the Trump phenomenon,” NRSC Executive Director Ward Baker said Republicans should embrace Trump’s tough talk about China and “grab onto the best elements of [his] anti-Washington populist agenda.” Above all, they should appeal to voters as genuine and beyond the influence of special interests.
“Trump has risen because voters see him as authentic, independent, direct, firm, — and believe he can’t be bought,” Baker writes. “These are the same character traits our candidates should be advancing in 2016. That’s Trump lesson #1.”
Oh, man. There are going to be some truly horrifying soundbites in 2016.
Holman wrote:Leaked memo from party official offers advice to GOP candidates in the case of a Trump nomination: Embrace Trumpishness.
In the memo on “the Trump phenomenon,” NRSC Executive Director Ward Baker said Republicans should embrace Trump’s tough talk about China and “grab onto the best elements of [his] anti-Washington populist agenda.” Above all, they should appeal to voters as genuine and beyond the influence of special interests.
“Trump has risen because voters see him as authentic, independent, direct, firm, — and believe he can’t be bought,” Baker writes. “These are the same character traits our candidates should be advancing in 2016. That’s Trump lesson #1.”
Oh, man. There are going to be some truly horrifying soundbites in 2016.
Can't be bought? It is to laugh. If by some bizarre chance he does get elected, the star chamber will set him straight in a hurry.
Holman wrote:Leaked memo from party official offers advice to GOP candidates in the case of a Trump nomination: Embrace Trumpishness.
Is it possible that they believe the problem (with his popularity) is that perception that he's a maverick (yeah I said it) on the bleeding edge of what real Americans want to hear? In order to fully kill any chance he has, if he's embraced by the GOP then he won't seem as fringe and sexy? I'm really out of ideas here. I fully believe we've collectively moved into some type of alternative reality. Quick - who was the star of the Back to the Future trilogy? If someone says Eric Stoltz I'm outta here.
"You're not going to support me even though you know I'm the best thing that could happen to Israel," Trump said. "I know why you're not going to support me: because I don't want your money."
Because we only support those politicians Shylock has in his back pocket.
I spent 90% of the money I made on women, booze, and drugs. The other 10% I just pissed away.
Trump’s appearance was in many ways just plain strange. Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, married a Jew and converted, and the billionaire’s grandchildren are Jewish. However, at times he seemed to play on stereotypes of Jewish people as hagglers.
“I’m a negotiator, like you folks,” he said early in his remarks. Later he asked, “Is there anyone in this room who doesn’t negotiate deals? ... Probably more than any room [where] I’ve ever spoken.”
"And that Jerry Steinfeld guy? Oy vey, he gives me spilkes in the kishkas. Am I right? And I gotta tell you, you people put out some nice Christmas music, like that Dylan guy and Neil Diamond. You know, considering what happened later and all."
I spent 90% of the money I made on women, booze, and drugs. The other 10% I just pissed away.
Stereotyping jews is about the most mainstream thing Trump has done this election. That's the closest to running a "normal" campaign we've seen him do, sadly.
What's odd is that all of the hard right-wingers I know (and there are a lot of them, including family), have zero intention of voting for Trump. They're desperately hoping some other candidate winds up challenging him as the field narrows. I can't figure out where he's getting his support.
Polls keep indicating that Trump's supporters are overwhelmingly white (of course), but they are also older and less educated than the average Republican. Interestingly, slightly more than half of his supporters are women.
If Facebook is any indication, I do know a small handful of Trump supporters. They are precisely the people I can always count on for racist or crypto-racist responses to Obama, terrorism, or police brutality.
YellowKing wrote:I can't figure out where he's getting his support.
Smoove_B's angry old white relatives.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
Yeah, Thanksgiving last week was eye-opening for me. I'm still in shock, quite frankly, but apparently my relatives are Xenophobes and vocal Trump supporters. I'm 100% convinced now he's going to be President.
Holman wrote:Polls keep indicating that Trump's supporters are overwhelmingly white (of course), but they are also older and less educated than the average Republican. Interestingly, slightly more than half of his supporters are women.
If Facebook is any indication, I do know a small handful of Trump supporters. They are precisely the people I can always count on for racist or crypto-racist responses to Obama, terrorism, or police brutality.
The one coworker I know that is a staunch Trump supporter routinely say things like "Asian drivers are the worst, aren't they?", and "Jewish drivers are the worst, aren't they?". She's not exactly a Mensa candidate.
And, in nearly every presidential election since 1888, voters here in this blue-collar county have selected the winning candidate, missing only twice: Once, in 1908, when they opted for Williams Jennings Bryan instead of William Howard Taft, and again in 1952, when they chose Adlai Stevenson rather than Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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So, when it comes to 2016, you might expect these “between-the 40-yard-lines” voters to be soberly weighing the merits of Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio, with maybe an occasional flirtation with Bernie Sanders or Mike Huckabee. And yet, when I spent two days traveling around its gathering places and watering holes, I discovered that, while the county’s Democrats have, for their part, coalesced around Clinton, its Republicans mostly wanted to talk about just one candidate: Donald Trump.
And, in nearly every presidential election since 1888, voters here in this blue-collar county have selected the winning candidate, missing only twice: Once, in 1908, when they opted for Williams Jennings Bryan instead of William Howard Taft, and again in 1952, when they chose Adlai Stevenson rather than Dwight D. Eisenhower.
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So, when it comes to 2016, you might expect these “between-the 40-yard-lines” voters to be soberly weighing the merits of Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio, with maybe an occasional flirtation with Bernie Sanders or Mike Huckabee. And yet, when I spent two days traveling around its gathering places and watering holes, I discovered that, while the county’s Democrats have, for their part, coalesced around Clinton, its Republicans mostly wanted to talk about just one candidate: Donald Trump.
Seems like it would be news once/if Clinton and Trump are on their respective tickets. Until then, how well has the county selected primary winners?
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
And, in nearly every presidential election since 1888, voters here in this blue-collar county have selected the winning candidate, missing only twice: Once, in 1908, when they opted for Williams Jennings Bryan instead of William Howard Taft, and again in 1952, when they chose Adlai Stevenson rather than Dwight D. Eisenhower.
...
So, when it comes to 2016, you might expect these “between-the 40-yard-lines” voters to be soberly weighing the merits of Jeb Bush, Hillary Clinton and Marco Rubio, with maybe an occasional flirtation with Bernie Sanders or Mike Huckabee. And yet, when I spent two days traveling around its gathering places and watering holes, I discovered that, while the county’s Democrats have, for their part, coalesced around Clinton, its Republicans mostly wanted to talk about just one candidate: Donald Trump.
Seems like it would be news once/if Clinton and Trump are on their respective tickets. Until then, how well has the county selected primary winners?
If I have to choose between Clinton and Trump on election day I will have lost all faith in my fellow Americans.
I think Clinton is a good administrator who would make an acceptable president. I think she has more skill and ability than the current president, or the president before him. I like at least some competency in the political arena in my politicians beyond just getting people to vote for them, and I think Clinton has that moreso than any candidate today.
Scraper wrote:
If I have to choose between Clinton and Trump on election day I will have lost all faith in my fellow Americans.
At that point it's all about who will do the least damage. At least Clinton has extensive experience in politics and won't tell the Prime Minister of England to suck her balls because he didn't compliment her on her physique.
She'll steal millions of dollars, of course. But I'll gladly pay that as a tax for not having that buffoon Trump in office.
America™: Always Moving Forward...to the Lesser of Two Evils®
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "No scientific discovery is named after its original discoverer." -Stigler's Law of Eponymy, discovered by Robert K. Merton MYT
I would vote for Hillary over Trump. As much as I dislike her, she at least has political experience, knows how to handle herself among world leaders, and would probably be far more moderate than Obama.
YellowKing wrote:I would vote for Hillary over Trump. As much as I dislike her, she at least has political experience, knows how to handle herself among world leaders, and would probably be far more moderate than Obama.
I agree with this on all counts. My problem with Hillary is that she has no soul or conscience. If the Republicans can manage to figure out a way to get Rubio, Bush, Christie, Pataki, <insert anyone who is not crazy> - I would vote for them over Hillary in a second.
And in banks across the world
Christians, Moslems, Hindus, Jews
And every other race, creed, colour, tint or hue
Get down on their knees and pray
The raccoon and the groundhog neatly
Make up bags of change
But the monkey in the corner
Well he's slowly drifting out of range
