Octopus Overlords

LordMortis wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 11:31 am

LawBeefaroni wrote: Sun Jul 24, 2022 9:12 am I can't vote for or against him but I vote for my reps. And I've told them straight up that part of their responsibility is to make sure trash like Gaetz can't work and doesn't benefit from his position.

How do I send that message?

BREAKING: Indiana state senators have narrowly passed a near-total abortion ban during a rare weekend session, sending the bill to the House after a contentious week of arguments over whether to allow exceptions for rape and incest.

The Republican-controlled Senate voted 26-20 after about three hours of debate, passing it with the minimum 26 votes needed to send it on to the House.

The bill would prohibit abortions from the time a fertilized egg implants in a uterus. Exceptions would be allowed in cases of rape and incest, but a patient seeking an abortion for either reason would have to sign a notarized affidavit attesting to the attack.

Blackhawk wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 5:28 pm That was my shock and outrage. Obvious people obviously doing to obvious thing.

A Kentucky appeals court has reinstated a near-total abortion ban that took effect when the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

The ruling means most abortions are illegal in the state, for now.

Attorney General Daniel Cameron asked the court for an emergency stay, which blocked a lower court’s ruling. That ruling by a Louisville judge last month put two abortion bans on hold so the courts could determine if they violate Kentucky’s constitution.

The state’s two clinics issued a media release Monday night declaring “abortion is now banned in Kentucky,” and said they began canceling scheduled procedures.

The ruling will be appealed to the Kentucky Supreme Court.

The appeals court said the ban should take effect, even if the laws are in dispute, because in Kentucky, “a statute carries with it the presumption of constitutionality.”

Kentucky’s legislature passed a “trigger law” banning nearly all abortions, except when the health of the mother is threatened, if Roe was overturned. Lawmakers also passed a separate 6-week ban that the clinics also challenged.

The lower court judge, Mitch Perry, ruled on July 22 that there is “a substantial likelihood” that Kentucky’s new abortion laws violate “the rights to privacy and self-determination” protected by Kentucky’s constitution.

I've seen enough: in a huge victory for the pro-choice side, the Kansas constitutional amendment to remove protections of abortion rights fails.

Right now the KS abortion vote has 140,000 more votes than the two governor primaries combined, which means nearly 20% of voters came out just to vote on the amendment

Smoove_B wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:53 am Yeah, it's also interesting data

Right now the KS abortion vote has 140,000 more votes than the two governor primaries combined, which means nearly 20% of voters came out just to vote on the amendment

LawBeefaroni wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 9:58 am GOP may have to recalibrate a core strategy.

Eat poo?

Yes: 39%
No: 61%

A pharmacist in McGregor, Minnesota, refused to fill a woman's morning-after pill prescription because it violated his "beliefs," a lawsuit alleges.
When Andrea Anderson's first contraception method failed in January 2019, she turned to ella, otherwise known as the "morning after pill" or emergency contraception, to prevent a possible pregnancy, the suit filed in Atkin County, Minnesota, said. McGregor, Minnesota, is roughly 122 miles north of Minneapolis.

Anderson got a prescription and had her doctor send it to the only pharmacy in the area at that time, the McGregor Thrifty White pharmacy, according to the court document.

But when she got to the pharmacy, according to the suit, "the pharmacist on duty told her that he would be unable to fill her prescription because of his 'beliefs.'"

Wow

After the passage of Indiana’s total abortion ban, Eli Lilly, one of the state’s biggest employers, says they’ll be planning their growth outside the state.

Because DUH how are you going to recruit women, aka HALF the population, to a state that outlaws their health care?!?

I’ll be very curious about application numbers this fall for colleges and universities in states that ban abortion, like Indiana.

I have a hard time believing gen z is going to be as interested in moving to those states. Let’s see.

It’s great that employers are offering to pay for travel out of state for their workers to access abortion but…

Maybe people don’t want to travel thousands of miles to access normal health care in the first place.

Jumping in with some truth you guys aren’t going to like:

Companies shouldn’t just ditch states that pass bad laws. They should stick it out, fight back and STOP GIVING MONEY TO BAD POLITICIANS.

Great that Eli Lilly can pack up and leave, but there are tons of people who can’t.

Smoove_B wrote: Sat Aug 06, 2022 11:23 am

Wow
Jumping in with some truth you guys aren’t going to like:

Companies shouldn’t just ditch states that pass bad laws. They should stick it out, fight back and STOP GIVING MONEY TO BAD POLITICIANS.

Great that Eli Lilly can pack up and leave, but there are tons of people who can’t.

Companies shouldn’t just ditch states that pass bad laws. They should stick it out, fight back and STOP GIVING MONEY TO BAD POLITICIANS.

One large medical recruiting firm said it recently had 20 obstetrician-gynecologists turn down positions in red states because of abortion laws. The reluctance extends beyond those interested in providing abortion care, as laws meant to protect a fetus could open doctors up to new liabilities or limit their ability to practice.

It remains unclear how thoroughly career decisions being made amid the upheaval and confusion since the Supreme Court's decision on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization will translate to a lasting geographic shift. But amid a national shortage of reproductive health practitioners, the early evidence indicates that red states have, at minimum, put themselves at a disadvantage in the competition for crucial front-line providers, experts said.

One large health-care staffing firm, AMN Healthcare, said clients in states with abortion bans are having greater trouble filling vacancies because some prospective OB/GYN candidates won't even consider opportunities in states with new or pending abortion bans.

Nebraska Cops Subpoenaed A Teen’s Facebook DMs So They Could Prosecute Her For Having An Abortion

A Nebraska teenager is facing criminal charges alleging she aborted a fetus in violation of state law, after authorities obtained her Facebook messages using a search warrant. Seventeen-year-old Celeste Burgess, who is being tried as an adult along with her mother Jessica Burgess, is awaiting trial in Madison County District Court on charges that they broke a Nebraska law banning abortions after 20 weeks.

This marks one of the first instances of a person’s Facebook activity being used to incriminate her in a state where abortion access is restricted — a scenario that has remained largely hypothetical in the weeks following the US Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade. Nebraska currently outlaws abortions beyond 20 weeks. On Monday, Republican lawmakers in the state failed to secure enough votes to decrease that window to 12 weeks.

Celeste and her mother were charged in July with allegedly removing, concealing or abandoning a dead human body and concealing the death of another person after the Norfolk Police Department received a tip claiming Celeste had miscarried in April at 23 weeks of pregnancy and secretly buried the fetus with her mother's help.

Unagi wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:30 pm To be clear, it sounds to me that she is being charged on crimes that don’t mention abortion.

Also, I thought it was the clinics and doctors whom are in a position to ‘break a law’ and that (so far) the pregnant person is not a target. I’m probably wrong about that.

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:34 pm To some, they're equivalent.

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:34 pm Abortion (broadly) is the termination of pregnancy. A miscarriage is a type of abortion, specifically a spontaneous abortion. It could be caused by any number of things (infections, drugs, trauma, etc...) intentionally or incidentally.

This is why everything is upside down now - the laws in some places aren't specific enough to differentiate between someone that goes to a doctor and receives a medically induced abortion via a set of pills or someone that eats deli meat contaminated with Listeria and experiences a bacterial infection related spontaneous abortion.

To some, they're equivalent.

Kraken wrote: Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:37 am Meanwhile, states with abortion bans are finding it hard to attract new doctors (especially OB/GYN).

One large medical recruiting firm said it recently had 20 obstetrician-gynecologists turn down positions in red states because of abortion laws. The reluctance extends beyond those interested in providing abortion care, as laws meant to protect a fetus could open doctors up to new liabilities or limit their ability to practice.

It remains unclear how thoroughly career decisions being made amid the upheaval and confusion since the Supreme Court's decision on Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization will translate to a lasting geographic shift. But amid a national shortage of reproductive health practitioners, the early evidence indicates that red states have, at minimum, put themselves at a disadvantage in the competition for crucial front-line providers, experts said.

One large health-care staffing firm, AMN Healthcare, said clients in states with abortion bans are having greater trouble filling vacancies because some prospective OB/GYN candidates won't even consider opportunities in states with new or pending abortion bans.

The reportage, although largely anecdotal, focuses mostly on TX.

hepcat wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:05 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:34 pm Abortion (broadly) is the termination of pregnancy. A miscarriage is a type of abortion, specifically a spontaneous abortion. It could be caused by any number of things (infections, drugs, trauma, etc...) intentionally or incidentally.

This is why everything is upside down now - the laws in some places aren't specific enough to differentiate between someone that goes to a doctor and receives a medically induced abortion via a set of pills or someone that eats deli meat contaminated with Listeria and experiences a bacterial infection related spontaneous abortion.

To some, they're equivalent.

Ah, thanks. That clarifies a few things for me.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:41 pm I think I mentioned it up thread but our most recent monthly doctor hires had way more OB/GYN than usual. Mostly from out of state. Recruiting is not sleeping on this.

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 4:01 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 3:41 pm I think I mentioned it up thread but our most recent monthly doctor hires had way more OB/GYN than usual. Mostly from out of state. Recruiting is not sleeping on this.

In the short term it's good, but in the long term, where are OB/GYNs going to be trained? You're going to have entire cohorts of doctors that have never received any type of formal training in anything related to medical abortions just based on where they go to school and have a residency.

Smoove_B wrote: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:34 pm Abortion (broadly) is the termination of pregnancy. A miscarriage is a type of abortion, specifically a spontaneous abortion. It could be caused by any number of things (infections, drugs, trauma, etc...) intentionally or incidentally.

This is why everything is upside down now - the laws in some places aren't specific enough to differentiate between someone that goes to a doctor and receives a medically induced abortion via a set of pills or someone that eats deli meat contaminated with Listeria and experiences a bacterial infection related spontaneous abortion.

To some, they're equivalent.