The Former Trump Presidency Thread

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:43 am

Paingod wrote:And honestly, what's another lawsuit when you stack it on the pile of over 3,500 he's already had or filed. It's one of his favorite games, that and Scattergories.

I would have thought 52 pickup, since we're all going to have to pick up after him.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:59 am

Defiant wrote:Some minor positive news:

President-elect Donald J. Trump on Tuesday fired one of his transition team’s staff members, Michael G. Flynn, the son of Mr. Trump’s choice for national security adviser, for using Twitter to spread a fake news story about Hillary Clinton that led to an armed confrontation in a pizza restaurant in Washington.
link

Like father, like son. And the father is still in like Flynn.

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:08 am

Kraken wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Grifman wrote:
El Guapo wrote:What's amusing, given Trump's previous statements on the subject, is that Boeing (and its shareholders) probably have a pretty good libel claim against Trump right now, given that the contract is apparently for $140 million.
That's not libel.
Why not?
To prove libel you must prove intent to defame.

Claiming a contract is for one amount when it is for another amount is not defamation by any stretch of the imagination.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:34 am

Grifman wrote:Claiming a contract is for one amount when it is for another amount is not defamation by any stretch of the imagination.

Right - that would be the false statement portion of a libel claim. They'd have to establish the intent - for example - ask him if he had read anything about the Boeing officials saying critical things about Trump just prior to him tweeting it. Though I'm pretty sure he has seen *that show* before and would just say he can't recall.

RunningMn9 · Post by **RunningMn9** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:34 am

Grifman wrote:Claiming a contract is for one amount when it is for another amount is not defamation by any stretch of the imagination.

Using your position as President-elect, and lying about something in a way to purposefully cause financial harm is probably *something* though. That said, I don't imagine that anything will come of it.

It's just another example of what a small and petty tyrant this incomprehensibly unqualified sack of shit is.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:36 am

Grifman wrote:
Kraken wrote:
El Guapo wrote:
Grifman wrote:
El Guapo wrote:What's amusing, given Trump's previous statements on the subject, is that Boeing (and its shareholders) probably have a pretty good libel claim against Trump right now, given that the contract is apparently for $140 million.
That's not libel.
Why not?
To prove libel you must prove intent to defame.
Claiming a contract is for one amount when it is for another amount is not defamation by any stretch of the imagination.

The libel is in accusing Boeing of enormous cost overruns and implicitly of fleecing the government. That the "costs are out of control" because of the misrepresented contract number, and more to the point that "Boeing is doing a little bit of a number."

And yes, you would have to prove that Trump did that intentionally. At least, until he "opens up the libel laws" and gets rid of that requirement (which doesn't exist in the UK, for example).

Of course it's all academic and Boeing isn't going to sue Trump for it. I'm just saying that they have a potential case.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:47 am

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/tr ... FB_CHBrand

Hey you, White House
Ha, ha, charade you are

Blackhawk · Post by **Blackhawk** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:22 am

Defame schmefame. I'm not sure that Trump is actually capable of intent.

Rip · Post by **Rip** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:24 am

Time Person of the Year!

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:50 am

You're just going to lob that softball in here?

I wonder if the chair was intentional.

Max Peck · Post by **Max Peck** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:02 am

Rip wrote:Time Person of the Year!

Duh, when was the last time that being elected POTUS didn't get you Time's PotY? Such a low energy award to be excited about. Sad.

Although Divided States of America is a nice dig.

Archinerd · Post by **Archinerd** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:03 am

LordMortis wrote:http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/tr ... FB_CHBrand

Hey you, White House
Ha, ha, charade you are

It's not an actual proposal, but I wish it was.
Here's an article with more detail from DNA Chicago.

The idea, a self-described "folly" from Jeffrey Roberts at Chicago-based New World Design Ltd., isn't part of a formal proposal, but his renderings of "flying pig" balloons tethered to the Chicago River aim to address Chicago's objections to the tower's 20-foot-tall letters...

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:06 am

I can't fault Time for the pick. The ascension and surprise victory of His Divine Glory is probably the biggest story of the year.

That still doesn't change the fact that he's a delusional asshat with dictatorial ambitions.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:09 am

Shouldn't they have picked Putin?

Sigh. I miss when I was the Person of the Year.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:19 am

You control the information? So you're to blame for all of this?

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:31 am

Got a sneak peak into next year's choice. (Cause of my connections since I was a previous person of the year)

Spoiler:

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:23 pm

Trump: Does this seem *too extravagant*? (Looks around at gold-plated living room.) No it doesn't- do it.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:45 pm

Grifman · Post by **Grifman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:38 pm

malchior wrote:Trump: Does this seem *too extravagant*? (Looks around at gold-plated living room.) No it doesn't- do it.

It's an inauguration, not a coronation. It's all about the office, not the man. Do we really want a spectacle - the Nazis did it so much better in Nuremberg after all.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 2:58 pm

Not to mention that Probst did it on Survivor years ago.

malchior · Post by **malchior** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:05 pm

In other news - he is showing signs that he will continue to irresponsibly meddle in the markets.

This is a Republican right? Where are all the free market people to complain how he is moving the markets with his blanket statements.

Smoove_B · Post by **Smoove_B** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:06 pm

Grifman wrote:Do we really want a spectacle

I'm pretty sure we moved well beyond spectacle the morning of 11/9/16. The only thing that will apparently be missing from the ceremony is sponsorship by Brawndo.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:16 pm

Defiant wrote:

I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:18 pm

malchior wrote:This is a Republican right? Where are all the free market people to complain how he is moving the markets with his blanket statements.

They're out there. They're just remaining cautious. They now know what it's like to be a trampled minority going against the grain and aren't speaking out en masse. It started with Trump's response to Carrier and has escalated to his threat of Tariffs. Look to Rand Paul as a barometer.

El Guapo · Post by **El Guapo** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:27 pm

Isgrimnur wrote:
Defiant wrote:
I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 3:36 pm

El Guapo wrote:
Isgrimnur wrote:
Defiant wrote:
I don't know what I'm supposed to be seeing.

Oh. I thought he was emphasizing the M for "Malicious Malodorous Mad Maladjusted Morally-Monstorous Microbrained Majesty" but that totally makes more sense.

Isgrimnur · Post by **Isgrimnur** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:43 pm

Time

“I don’t think it’s good,” Trump said when asked about Baldwin’s portrayal of him. “I like him as an actor, but I don’t think his imitation gets me at all, and it’s meant to be very mean-spirited… and I don’t like it.”

“Frankly, the way the show is going now… who knows how long that show is going to be on?” he added. “It’s a terrible show.”

The Emmy Award-winning show on NBC premiered in 1975 and entered its 42nd season this fall.

Trump on Wednesday also defended his frequent use of Twitter, which he called a “modern day form of communication” and a way for him to get out information faster than a press release and “more honestly” than through news outlets.

Every year TIME editors choose the Person of the Year, a selection of the person who most influenced the news, for better or for worse. Trump is called the “President of the Divided States of America” on TIME’s cover—a title he said did not offend him. “I’m not President yet. I didn’t do anything to divide,” he said. “We’re going to put it back together and we’re going to have a country that’s very well healed. We’re going to do a lot of great things. It’s going to be something very special.”

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 4:57 pm

"It’s going to be something very special.”

Ralph-Wiggum · Post by **Ralph-Wiggum** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:11 pm

geezer · Post by **geezer** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 5:17 pm

Holman wrote:You're just going to lob that softball in here?

I wonder if the chair was intentional.

Lil' Trumpy made Daddy proud.

Of course, he'll have to be POTY again to match Stalin's 2-time honor.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:44 pm

Carrier employee: We feel lied to
Carrier workers and union leaders are disputing President-elect Donald Trump's claim that he saved 1,100

Zarathud · Post by **Zarathud** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:10 pm

Doesn't the math work out to $10,000 for each of the 730 jobs? Worst deal ever.

Trump is going to spend like a drunken sailor to claim hollow victories for 4 years. Sad.

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 9:49 pm

So now even this is too optimistic?

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Wed Dec 07, 2016 10:10 pm

malchior wrote:Trump: Does this seem *too extravagant*? (Looks around at gold-plated living room.) No it doesn't- do it.

Surely not. The optics would be waaaaay too obvious...

Spoiler:

KDH · Post by **KDH** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 6:06 am

An analysis of Donald Trump’s election win and the prospects for his presidency

The author made his case wonderfully well, In my humble opinion

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:30 am

Defiant wrote:Carrier employee: We feel lied to
Carrier workers and union leaders are disputing President-elect Donald Trump's claim that he saved 1,100

When a union official went on CNN to explain the weaknesses of Trump's claims about Carrier, Trump went after him by name on Twitter.

In retaliation, Trump launched an online tantrum, tweeting, “Chuck Jones, who is President of United Steelworkers 1999, has done a terrible job representing workers. No wonder companies flee country!” He also wrote, “If United Steelworkers 1999 was any good, they would have kept those jobs in Indiana. Spend more time working-less time talking.”

Soon after the tweet, Jones reported that he had started receiving death threats, including right-wing threats against his children.

tgb · Post by **tgb** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:28 am

Somebody wake me from this nightmare.

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:38 am

Robert Reich is hit or miss for me with is editorializing of current politics but it's good to have him speak up for me when he's spot on. He's not saying anything new but it's giving me a voice.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/07/politics/ ... per-cnntv/

LordMortis · Post by **LordMortis** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:10 am

Could Rip become furious with the president elect? Or are these games people play?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... er/509771/

On Monday, former vice-president Al Gore traveled to Trump Tower to discuss climate change with Ivanka Trump, the daughter of the president-elect.

Instead, he got the well-coiffed one himself.

“I had a lengthy and very productive session with the president-elect,” he told reporters afterward, describing the meeting as “a sincere search for areas of common ground.”

“I found it an extremely interesting conversation, and to be continued. And I’m just going to leave it at that,” he added.

He did not leave it at that, appearing later Monday night on MSNBC. “It’s no secret that Ivanka Trump is very committed to having a climate policy that makes sense for our country and for our world, and that was certainly evident in the conversation that I had with her,” he told Chris Hayes. “I appreciate the fact that she is very concerned about this.”

Holman · Post by **Holman** » Thu Dec 08, 2016 11:19 am

LordMortis wrote:Could Rip become furious with the president elect? Or are these games people play?

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... er/509771/

On Monday, former vice-president Al Gore traveled to Trump Tower to discuss climate change with Ivanka Trump, the daughter of the president-elect.

Instead, he got the well-coiffed one himself.

“I had a lengthy and very productive session with the president-elect,” he told reporters afterward, describing the meeting as “a sincere search for areas of common ground.”

“I found it an extremely interesting conversation, and to be continued. And I’m just going to leave it at that,” he added.

He did not leave it at that, appearing later Monday night on MSNBC. “It’s no secret that Ivanka Trump is very committed to having a climate policy that makes sense for our country and for our world, and that was certainly evident in the conversation that I had with her,” he told Chris Hayes. “I appreciate the fact that she is very concerned about this.”

Alas, it probably means nothing. Trump is an incorrigible flirt, especially when there are headlines to be gained.

Ask any of the seventeen people currently in the running for Secretary of State.