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My post was in response to your "I disapprove of, but will still vote for....."LordMortis wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:32 amAt this point, that's sophistry. The context you engaged my post with wasstimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:25 amYeah....I'm the staunch Republican that voted for Carter, Clinton and Obama.......
Enjoy your game of shells.I just think that the whole "my party good, your party bad" mentality
So I ask again - what is the other choice. It's not closed minded if there is only one choice.stimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:38 amMy post was in response to your "I disapprove of, but will still vote for....."LordMortis wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:32 amAt this point, that's sophistry. The context you engaged my post with wasstimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:25 amYeah....I'm the staunch Republican that voted for Carter, Clinton and Obama.......
Enjoy your game of shells.I just think that the whole "my party good, your party bad" mentality
That kind of closed minded thinking is what keeps us where we are.
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So not voting is the answer?stimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:38 amMy post was in response to your "I disapprove of, but will still vote for....."LordMortis wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:32 amAt this point, that's sophistry. The context you engaged my post with wasstimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:25 amYeah....I'm the staunch Republican that voted for Carter, Clinton and Obama.......
Enjoy your game of shells.I just think that the whole "my party good, your party bad" mentality
That kind of closed minded thinking is what keeps us where we are.
Not at all.Alefroth wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:51 amSo not voting is the answer?stimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:38 amMy post was in response to your "I disapprove of, but will still vote for....."LordMortis wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:32 amAt this point, that's sophistry. The context you engaged my post with wasstimpy wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 11:25 amYeah....I'm the staunch Republican that voted for Carter, Clinton and Obama.......
Enjoy your game of shells.I just think that the whole "my party good, your party bad" mentality
That kind of closed minded thinking is what keeps us where we are.
FtfyOctavious wrote: Tue May 03, 2022 12:36 pm Some of the candidates in one party wants to make voting pointless
And it's purging all dissenters, either by malice or cowardice. It's ever increasing its strength while reducing its need to be accountable to anyone but the power brokers that are expressly interested in disenfranchisement. The party can shrink but keep control and the playbook for this is sitting openly on the table for everyone to read. Supporting that party's change from within is nonstarter anymore. That cause is lost. Now the hope, the desire, the action needed is to save the nation from this disenfranchisement before its cause is lost and we become the full fledged oligarchy dreamed of by those power brokers among the GOP.
Absolutely true. And the remainder are either unwilling or unable to stop them. So, in practice...
UFTFY
As inflation keeps rising and recession fears loom, a new Yahoo News/YouGov poll shows that Joe Biden is currently in the worst shape of his presidency.
The survey of 1,541 U.S. adults, which was conducted from June 10-13, found that if another presidential election were held today, more registered voters say they would cast ballots for Donald Trump (44%) than for Biden (42%) — even though the House Jan. 6 committee has spent the last week linking Trump to what it called a “seditious conspiracy” to overturn the 2020 election and laying the groundwork for possible criminal prosecution.
Edit: This sums up Biden's continuing ineptitude perfectly.President Biden appealed to Congress on Wednesday to suspend the federal gas tax, saying it was critical to reduce the pain Americans are feeling at the pump. “I promise you I’m doing everything possible to bring the price of energy down,” Biden said, as images of oil pumps and gas stations flickered on the wall behind him.
But the notion of a gas tax holiday was met with instant criticism — not only from members of both parties on Capitol Hill, but even from many officials within the administration who said privately that it would probably do little to significantly lower gas prices.
Top Treasury Department officials expressed doubts about the gas tax holiday, and at least two top White House economists also privately conveyed reservations, according to two people familiar with the internal deliberations who spoke on the condition of anonymity to disclose sensitive conversations.
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But Biden faces the reality that the seemingly intractable problem of rising prices is threatening to eclipse his agenda and any Democratic political message. Many inside the White House have concluded that the president must at least show he understands Americans’ suffering and is doing all he can to help, even if not everything works in the short term.
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Still, that is not a universally held view. Eswar Prasad, an economist at Cornell University, said top officials at the Treasury Department have been clear in internal discussions that they believe Americans would probably see only limited benefits from a gas tax holiday, even if Congress were to enact one.
“Treasury has been approaching this from an analytical perspective, and people there realize that the direct economic benefits to consumers are likely to be quite limited, while the budgetary implications would be significant,” said Prasad, who served as an official at the International Monetary Fund, citing conversations with multiple senior officials.
That's the thing. Biden is flailing in the face of that existential threat. He could turn it around but it simply doesn't look very good outcome wise.Unagi wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:27 amSigh... Not saying we shouldn’t be critical of Biden, but man. Have we (media/the people) actually lost sight of the existential threat to our country? I realize I’m preaching to the Malchior…
As shocking as some may find it, I agree.hepcat wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:10 am
I will say that Trump's petty divisiveness, attempts at overthrowing a lawful election, and subsequent revenge tour definitely make me realize how fucking awful that asshole is.
Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?stimpy wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:58 am Does anyone think we're better off now as a nation then we were 2 years ago, other than speculating where you think we might have been had "he" won?
I don't understand how one could answer your question, as you frame it. Part of 'better off now' absolutely must consider the alternate trajectory.stimpy wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:58 am Does anyone think we're better off now as a nation then we were 2 years ago, other than speculating where you think we might have been had "he" won?
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It's another way of saying, "Biden did this!" It's pinning inflation on the current administration.stessier wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:49 am It does make it interesting that McConnel was arguing on the news that they had to keep a tax in place lest inflation get out of control. So the R's are now for higher taxes and the D's are for lower. I picked a bad week to stop sniffing glue.
Luckily the LGBTQ community has the right to bear arms everywhere now so that'll be helpful.YellowKing wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:25 am We're definitely not better off (ignoring the pandemic for now) than we were two years ago. But not because of Biden.
We've got a Supreme Court that has shifted so far right as to be unrecognizable, we've had two years of effort to continue to undermine democracy from the GOP, and rhetoric and hate against the LGBTQ community has reached a fever pitch. These are all trends that will only continue to worsen under Republican rule.
I mean they can, will, and it'll probably work too.You can't on one hand blame Biden for getting nothing done while your party simultaneously has voted against every single thing he's tried to do to improve things. I know that's Republican playbook 101, but it is what it is.
I hadn't hoped for anything, so meh on that. Doing a good job? Initial COVID response, yes. Response to Russia, yes. After that... Ummm....stimpy wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 9:58 am Looking past the inevitable "anyone other than Trump" mindset and the fact that he inherited some issues and had others pop up during his term, is there anyone who voted for Biden that thinks he's actually doing a good job? With his many, many years of political experience, is he the leader you had hoped for?
I think we're not much worse, which in its own way is much better. One may say speculation, but we were headed to a very dark place and, in fact, still are. My vote is still dangerously close to being tossed out by my own state government with the help other state governments at the direction a federal GOP. You call it speculation. I call it fighting for my rights.Does anyone think we're better off now as a nation then we were 2 years ago, other than speculating where you think we might have been had "he" won?
That is the path and it wasn't speculative.Zarathud wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:11 am Trump would have given Ukraine to Russia and destroyed NATO. No question Biden is better.
And the other two branches of government after he changed the trajectory of the Executive branch, even exerting (heh, yeah right) his influence over Congress.Unagi wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:25 am Part of 'better off now' absolutely must consider the alternate trajectory.
Absolutely. Someone here posted the oil execs talking about returning capital to investors rather than investing or keeping prices down and then seeing these same execs blaming POTUS. Now, you can't blame oil for returning money in buybacks and dividends. But you can't blame POTUS while consciously not blaming the industry. And I've had that disconnect conversation too many times. Oil prices are what they are. We just need to thank our stars that the pumps aren't shut down. Food security OTOH, is going to be a thing real soon, I suspect. Biden will take the blame when that blame (not food inflation blame but food security) goes to Putin and those who praise his ego and admire him.LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:53 am It's another way of saying, "Biden did this!" It's pinning inflation on the current administration.
Newsom argues, the GOP is counting on complacency to erode voting rights, scapegoat minorities, conjure conspiracies and undermine democracy.
But after POLITICO revealed the leaked Supreme Court draft overturning Roe v. Wade, Newsom unloaded on Democrats, asking outside a Planned Parenthood office last month, “Where the hell is my party? Where’s the Democratic Party? … Why aren’t we calling this out? This is a concerted, coordinated effort. And, yes, they’re winning.”...
... Newsom is now planning to do what he demanded of fellow Democrats: directly engage with Republicans in those culture wars. His most attention-grabbing idea so far is one he pitched staff on his own. He joined Truth Social, Trump’s social media platform, where he’s since gone after the GOP on red state murder rates. The governor’s team also has discussed going on Fox News, with one adviser arguing that for Newsom, “it’s about the feeling we’re getting our asses kicked; that the Trumpers are owning the libs and we have to get into the fighting mode and make this a choice.”
Added another person close to Newsom: “He resents that shit [and] wants to push back on that narrative because he has the facts on his side.”
Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, who helped give Newsom his start in politics in the mid-90s, said he was merely “telling it like it is.”
“He is literally echoing what lots of us think: Our party doesn’t have a message that’s registering with voters,” Brown said.
Pyperkub wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:42 pm Newsom doing what I've been saying Harris should be doing for a year - be Biden's Attack Dog:
Newsom argues, the GOP is counting on complacency to erode voting rights, scapegoat minorities, conjure conspiracies and undermine democracy.
But after POLITICO revealed the leaked Supreme Court draft overturning Roe v. Wade, Newsom unloaded on Democrats, asking outside a Planned Parenthood office last month, “Where the hell is my party? Where’s the Democratic Party? … Why aren’t we calling this out? This is a concerted, coordinated effort. And, yes, they’re winning.”...
... Newsom is now planning to do what he demanded of fellow Democrats: directly engage with Republicans in those culture wars. His most attention-grabbing idea so far is one he pitched staff on his own. He joined Truth Social, Trump’s social media platform, where he’s since gone after the GOP on red state murder rates. The governor’s team also has discussed going on Fox News, with one adviser arguing that for Newsom, “it’s about the feeling we’re getting our asses kicked; that the Trumpers are owning the libs and we have to get into the fighting mode and make this a choice.”
Added another person close to Newsom: “He resents that shit [and] wants to push back on that narrative because he has the facts on his side.”
Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, who helped give Newsom his start in politics in the mid-90s, said he was merely “telling it like it is.”
“He is literally echoing what lots of us think: Our party doesn’t have a message that’s registering with voters,” Brown said.
At least for the message. I don't know enough about Newsom to know if I am more generally a fan. But I approve this message. His ex-wife is Don Trump Jr's current fiance.LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:34 pmPyperkub wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:42 pm Newsom doing what I've been saying Harris should be doing for a year - be Biden's Attack Dog:
Newsom argues, the GOP is counting on complacency to erode voting rights, scapegoat minorities, conjure conspiracies and undermine democracy.
But after POLITICO revealed the leaked Supreme Court draft overturning Roe v. Wade, Newsom unloaded on Democrats, asking outside a Planned Parenthood office last month, “Where the hell is my party? Where’s the Democratic Party? … Why aren’t we calling this out? This is a concerted, coordinated effort. And, yes, they’re winning.”...
... Newsom is now planning to do what he demanded of fellow Democrats: directly engage with Republicans in those culture wars. His most attention-grabbing idea so far is one he pitched staff on his own. He joined Truth Social, Trump’s social media platform, where he’s since gone after the GOP on red state murder rates. The governor’s team also has discussed going on Fox News, with one adviser arguing that for Newsom, “it’s about the feeling we’re getting our asses kicked; that the Trumpers are owning the libs and we have to get into the fighting mode and make this a choice.”
Added another person close to Newsom: “He resents that shit [and] wants to push back on that narrative because he has the facts on his side.”
Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, who helped give Newsom his start in politics in the mid-90s, said he was merely “telling it like it is.”
“He is literally echoing what lots of us think: Our party doesn’t have a message that’s registering with voters,” Brown said.
IMHO, Newsom is essentially a Clinton Democrat. Generally Pro-Business/Fiscally Responsible, but with a decent sense of what is right and necessary per our Ideals (and the Courage to act on that).LordMortis wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 2:34 pmPyperkub wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:42 pm Newsom doing what I've been saying Harris should be doing for a year - be Biden's Attack Dog:
Newsom argues, the GOP is counting on complacency to erode voting rights, scapegoat minorities, conjure conspiracies and undermine democracy.
But after POLITICO revealed the leaked Supreme Court draft overturning Roe v. Wade, Newsom unloaded on Democrats, asking outside a Planned Parenthood office last month, “Where the hell is my party? Where’s the Democratic Party? … Why aren’t we calling this out? This is a concerted, coordinated effort. And, yes, they’re winning.”...
... Newsom is now planning to do what he demanded of fellow Democrats: directly engage with Republicans in those culture wars. His most attention-grabbing idea so far is one he pitched staff on his own. He joined Truth Social, Trump’s social media platform, where he’s since gone after the GOP on red state murder rates. The governor’s team also has discussed going on Fox News, with one adviser arguing that for Newsom, “it’s about the feeling we’re getting our asses kicked; that the Trumpers are owning the libs and we have to get into the fighting mode and make this a choice.”
Added another person close to Newsom: “He resents that shit [and] wants to push back on that narrative because he has the facts on his side.”
Former San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, who helped give Newsom his start in politics in the mid-90s, said he was merely “telling it like it is.”
“He is literally echoing what lots of us think: Our party doesn’t have a message that’s registering with voters,” Brown said.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/health/b ... index.htmlThe Biden administration signaled Tuesday that it will develop a proposed rule to establish a maximum nicotine level in cigarettes and other tobacco products that will essentially lower the amount of nicotine in products available in the US. It is a step that no other administration has taken before and is one public health experts say would be transformative if enacted.
Did you just copy and paste that from the 2016 election thread you lazy bastard!?malchior wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:48 am Biden is potentially our last best chance to stave off real darkness.
If she's smart, prepping for the pending political apocalypse (which in her case, probably means finding a nice ex-pat locale in another country).
She's fine. Per GOP doctrine, she gets to unilaterally pick the next President.
No I lazily stole it from J. Michael Straczynski.Carpet_pissr wrote: Sat Jun 25, 2022 4:14 pmDid you just copy and paste that from the 2016 election thread you lazy bastard!?malchior wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:48 am Biden is potentially our last best chance to stave off real darkness.