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Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:05 pm

Alefroth wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:13 pm Kelly in a briefing believes Gold Star families are no longer sacred after the convention last summer. Hard to see that as anything other than a slam on Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/ ... index.html

Kelly wrote:"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly said, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. "And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day."

he knew what he signed up for, I guess

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm OMG, look at this body language.

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm Giving condolences takes tact and empathy. It's not easy for the best of us.

Alefroth wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:24 pm

GreenGoo wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm Giving condolences takes tact and empathy. It's not easy for the best of us.

My wife said the exact same thing this morning. As much as we despise him, we agreed we might have cut him slack if he could have just apologized and clarified. He's incapable of being a decent person, much less president.

Alefroth wrote:

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm OMG, look at this body language.

I noticed that right away too. The world's greatest negotiator. Cool as a cucumber. He's lucky he doesn't play poker.

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm OMG, look at this body language.

Blackhawk wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:50 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm OMG, look at this body language.

Ok, I've watched several times. Can someone give me the closed captions version of the body language?

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:02 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:50 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm OMG, look at this body language.

Ok, I've watched several times. Can someone give me the closed captions version of the body language?

"Pouty, petulant man-child somehow lives to be 71, is caught lying (again), wants his KFC tendies. "

Blackhawk wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:18 pm

LawBeefaroni wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 11:02 pm

Blackhawk wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:50 pm

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:57 pm OMG, look at this body language.

Ok, I've watched several times. Can someone give me the closed captions version of the body language?

"Pouty, petulant man-child somehow lives to be 71, is caught lying (again), wants his KFC tendies. "

Thanks. I can't read body language - he just looked constipated to me.

Holman wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:13 pm

malchior wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:57 pm Trump just claimed he gets a 10 out of 10 for the Puerto Rico response. I'd die laughing if people weren't actually dying due to his incompetence. Sic semper moronis futundo.

This is his narcissism at work. He can't acknowledge even the slightest need for improvement. He's unmoored from reality.

Just this week he declared that no other president has ever done as much as he has in nine months. His toadies like Sean Hannity play the same game. Sheriff David Clarke this week insisted that there is literally no one alive more sensitive to the feelings of Gold Star families than Donald Trump.

This is Pyongyang-level bullshit.

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:09 am What's amazing is he got a man like Kelly to go out, get outraged, get facts wrong, and just in general become a person who throws their reputation down the drain. It boggles the mind. There is something incredibly broken here. I'm not talking opinion here. They *constantly get verifiable facts wrong*. That is why it is so dangerous. If we can't agree on facts then the time for discussion is over. Sooner or later this will all blow up if this is the road we choose.

Edit: Just to further expand - Kelly made a personal attack on Wilson's character *and got the facts wrong there*. Someone clearly tried to clumsily dig up some dirt on Wilson and Kelly repeated it without verification. To smear her because she spoke up for a family who was hurting. Completely indefensible.

GreenGoo wrote:

Alefroth wrote: Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:13 pm Kelly in a briefing believes Gold Star families are no longer sacred after the convention last summer. Hard to see that as anything other than a slam on Trump.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/19/politics/ ... index.html

Kelly wrote:"He was doing exactly what he wanted to do when he was killed. He knew what he was getting into by joining that 1%. He knew what the possibilities were because we were at war," Kelly said, channeling Dunford's words to him upon the death of Kelly's son. "And when he died he was surrounded by the best men on this earth, his friends. That's what the President tried to say to the four families the other day."

How stupid do you have to be to take that, and get this from it?

he knew what he signed up for, I guess

Giving condolences takes tact and empathy. It's not easy for the best of us. For God's sake, Mr. President, get someone on your staff to do it. You are not cut out for it. Not even a little. This is less about Drumpf being a terrible person and more about Drumpf being completely incapable of doing the job (condolences) successfully.

Pyperkub wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:13 pm Dear General Kelly - last I checked, we aren't at war in Niger.

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:08 pm Is their unrelenting and unabashedly false attack on her more dog whisting? Am I being paranoid?

A federal judge on Thursday shot down former sheriff Joe Arpaio’s bid to sweep his criminal record clean.

Arpaio, the controversial former lawman in Arizona’s Maricopa County, was granted a pardon by President Trump on Aug. 25. He had been found guilty of criminal contempt of a federal court order after a five-day bench trial earlier this year and faced the possibility of up to six months in jail. After the pardon, the 85-year-old Arpaio petitioned the court to clear his record and prevent the ruling from being used in future litigation.

The case raised the novel question of how far a presidential pardon actually reaches.

In her ruling, U.S. District Judge Susan R. Bolton said the pardon only freed Arpaio from possible punishment. In a four-page order offering a check on the president’s executive power, Bolton wrote that a pardon could not erase the facts of the case.

“The power to pardon is an executive prerogative of mercy, not of judicial recordkeeping,” Bolton wrote in the decision. “To vacate all rulings in this case would run afoul of this important distinction. The Court found Defendant guilty of criminal contempt.”

The president issued the pardon, and Arpaio was spared “from any punishment that might otherwise have been imposed,” the judge wrote. “It did not, however, ‘revise the historical facts’ of this case.”

Arpaio’s attorney immediately filed a notice of appeal with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 9th Circuit.

Holman wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:09 am What's amazing is he got a man like Kelly to go out, get outraged, get facts wrong, and just in general become a person who throws their reputation down the drain. It boggles the mind. There is something incredibly broken here. I'm not talking opinion here. They *constantly get verifiable facts wrong*. That is why it is so dangerous. If we can't agree on facts then the time for discussion is over. Sooner or later this will all blow up if this is the road we choose.

Edit: Just to further expand - Kelly made a personal attack on Wilson's character *and got the facts wrong there*. Someone clearly tried to clumsily dig up some dirt on Wilson and Kelly repeated it without verification. To smear her because she spoke up for a family who was hurting. Completely indefensible.

Video confirms that his story was bogus.

GreenGoo wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:19 pm Um. I just noticed that her eyes point in different directions. That's a little...offputting.

Formix wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:34 pm This was Kelly's Colin Powell at the UN moment. A lifetime of credibility down the tubes.

Holman wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:26 pm "Character Counts Week" sure went by fast, didn't it?

Edit: Just to further expand - Kelly made a personal attack on Wilson's character *and got the facts wrong there*. Someone clearly tried to clumsily dig up some dirt on Wilson and Kelly repeated it without verification. To smear her because she spoke up for a family who was hurting. Completely indefensible.

Alefroth wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:20 pm

Holman wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:09 am What's amazing is he got a man like Kelly to go out, get outraged, get facts wrong, and just in general become a person who throws their reputation down the drain. It boggles the mind. There is something incredibly broken here. I'm not talking opinion here. They *constantly get verifiable facts wrong*. That is why it is so dangerous. If we can't agree on facts then the time for discussion is over. Sooner or later this will all blow up if this is the road we choose.

Edit: Just to further expand - Kelly made a personal attack on Wilson's character *and got the facts wrong there*. Someone clearly tried to clumsily dig up some dirt on Wilson and Kelly repeated it without verification. To smear her because she spoke up for a family who was hurting. Completely indefensible.

Video confirms that his story was bogus.

Sanders is so despicable.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10 ... attle.html

“As Gen. Kelly pointed out, if you're able to make a sacred act like honoring American heroes all about yourself, you’re an empty barrel,” Sanders said. “If you don't understand that reference, I will put it a little bit more simply as we say in the South, ‘all hat, no cattle.’”

LawBeefaroni wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:32 pm

Alefroth wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 4:20 pm

Holman wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 12:07 pm

malchior wrote: Fri Oct 20, 2017 10:09 am What's amazing is he got a man like Kelly to go out, get outraged, get facts wrong, and just in general become a person who throws their reputation down the drain. It boggles the mind. There is something incredibly broken here. I'm not talking opinion here. They *constantly get verifiable facts wrong*. That is why it is so dangerous. If we can't agree on facts then the time for discussion is over. Sooner or later this will all blow up if this is the road we choose.

Edit: Just to further expand - Kelly made a personal attack on Wilson's character *and got the facts wrong there*. Someone clearly tried to clumsily dig up some dirt on Wilson and Kelly repeated it without verification. To smear her because she spoke up for a family who was hurting. Completely indefensible.

Video confirms that his story was bogus.

Sanders is so despicable.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10 ... attle.html

“As Gen. Kelly pointed out, if you're able to make a sacred act like honoring American heroes all about yourself, you’re an empty barrel,” Sanders said. “If you don't understand that reference, I will put it a little bit more simply as we say in the South, ‘all hat, no cattle.’”

The fuck? He called her an empty barrel for supposedly taking credit for the FBI building. God, fuck these people.