hepcat wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:01 am
I'm white and I have no issues with moving a statue of General Custer to a museum due to his slaughtering of women and children at Wounded Knee.
It's possible I'm missing a joke, but...Custer was dead 24 years when Wounded Knee took place.
Scoop20906 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:14 am
I had no idea you were a confederate apologist too. If Kelly remarks the moon landing never happen will you be posting footage of how the American flag on the moon was blowing in the wind on the sound stage?
I see you trying your hardest to sound reasonable at times but it’s so insincere that at this point I do not think you can tell. Your only purpose when you post on here is to spin for your shill. And you are terrible at it too. Just like the flunkies you are supporting.
Zzzzz. Ok I’m bored with you again.
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I don't need to apologize for them, they no longer exist, like the Romans they were defeated and vanquished from existence.
Hopefully you realize this arrogant righteousness they are painted with is easily applied to all of America in how they treated native americans. No one's ancestors are without blood on their hands from barbaric acts in their history.
That tired old fucking saw. "No one is innocent if you go back far enough". So weak.
Also, an "apologist" isn't someone who apologizes. It is someone who argues in defense of something.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
hepcat wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:01 am
I'm white and I have no issues with moving a statue of General Custer to a museum due to his slaughtering of women and children at Wounded Knee.
It's possible I'm missing a joke, but...Custer was dead 24 years when Wounded Knee took place.
Unless...Zombie Custer?
D'oh, I got Wounded Knee mixed up with Little Big Horn...and even that was probably wrong. Should have written about his massacre of the Cheyenne and other tribes instead.
hepcat wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:01 am
I'm white and I have no issues with moving a statue of General Custer to a museum due to his slaughtering of women and children at Wounded Knee.
It's possible I'm missing a joke, but...Custer was dead 24 years when Wounded Knee took place.
Unless...Zombie Custer?
D'oh, I got Wounded Knee mixed up with Little Big Horn...and even that was probably wrong. Should have written about his massacre of the Cheyenne and other tribes instead.
You're doing it wrong. Don't admit a mistake. Attack.
How dare Fitzy bring the mexican's into the mix. What do they have to do with Custer? Is he against protecting America? We need a wall.
See. That's how you do it. Hell, I may have over done it a bit and made more sense than the Mangerine or his cultists.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
hepcat wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 10:55 am
Err....YEAH! I'm whipping out my Sarah Huckabee out right now!
<just kidding...I was wrong. I don't wanna sink to the level of the Mangerine>
Fight fire with fire - double down on that shit. Your correct response is:
"You know what I meant, and are just twisting my words. We all know Custer's brilliant victory at the battle of Hastings ushered in a new rule of law for the Mongolian people. OK? You didn't say that, I DID. I'm sorry your "elitist view of the facts" don't match mine. The average God-fearing American knows I meant that when I said it, why can't you also accept my reality as truth?"
I've been to the Little Big Horn and spent time around the monuments there. The 7th Cavalry as a whole have a large monument. Custer just has a name in the corner of it somewhere, plus the same generic grave marker as everyone else. The vast majority of the site is dedicated more to the Native Americans than to the politician who wanted to play general.
"I was making a joke about a video game. I know it was Little Big Horn. I own property there. Some of our greatest Americans died there. Great people there. Hard working. I make a lot of money there. No one loves the Big Matterhorn like I do"
When they sent Custer those Indians, they weren't sending their best and brightest. They were sending murderers and rapists. Some, I assume, were good people.
Trump: We also have to come up with punishment that's far quicker and far greater than the punishment these animals are getting right now. They'll go through court for years. At the end, who knows what happens. We need quick justice, and we need strong justice. Much quicker and much stronger than we have right now. Because what we have right now is a joke, and it's a laughing stock. And no wonder so much of this stuff takes place.
Just tell him that the guns were real. He'll shut up.
side note: "so much of this stuff?" Is there a secret government report that the rest of us don't get that shows an outbreak of terrorist attacks?
The thing that hurts the most about this administration is that it's exposed just how utterly stupid a wide swath of Americans are. To reject reason and evidence simply to accept what comes out of the propaganda factory boggles my mind.
He is probably referring to the Bowling Green Massacre.
This was regarding Hepcat's post.
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“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
The thing that hurts the most about this administration is that it's exposed just how utterly stupid a wide swath of Americans are. To reject reason and evidence simply to accept what comes out of the propaganda factory boggles my mind.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
hepcat wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 1:57 pm
Hey, let's get rid of due process everyone!
Trump: We also have to come up with punishment that's far quicker and far greater than the punishment these animals are getting right now. They'll go through court for years. At the end, who knows what happens. We need quick justice, and we need strong justice. Much quicker and much stronger than we have right now. Because what we have right now is a joke, and it's a laughing stock. And no wonder so much of this stuff takes place.
Just tell him that the guns were real. He'll shut up.
side note: "so much of this stuff?" Is there a secret government report that the rest of us don't get that shows an outbreak of terrorist attacks?
OK. Can we start with Trump and his campaign?
Black Lives definitely Matter Lorini!
Also: There are three ways to not tell the truth: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
gbasden wrote:The thing that hurts the most about this administration is that it's exposed just how utterly stupid a wide swath of Americans are. To reject reason and evidence simply to accept what comes out of the propaganda factory boggles my mind.
What's sad is that it really *shouldn't* be all that surprising given that Americans believe in all kinds of stupid things like ghosts and alien abductions and Bigfoot. Animal Planet and the History Channel aren't going off-program to run paranormal reality shows for no reason.
It's just that up to this point, most people were able to separate "I want to believe" goofy shit from real life.
What we have seen, from Russia, Trump, and the GOP, is the weaponization of gullibility. It's intentional exploitation of ignorance to further political goals.And it scares the hell out of me.
Oh and our system of justice is a "laughing stock". There are plenty of things to call it. Cruel. Unfair. Racist. None of those things are laughing matters to anyone...well perhaps someone as shitty a human being as he is.
Got to be careful with that one. It can get you in trouble.
But if it's any consequence, I think she is saying his flaw is that he shouldn't be president. If he weren't president he wouldn't have to deal with the presidential press core on a daily basis.
She really makes me long for the good old days of Sean Spicer. I always harbored a small sliver of sympathy for Spicy because at some level I felt like he didn't believe the BS he was forced to spew on a daily basis.
SHS, on the other hand, not only believes it, she wallows in it. Whereas Spicy seemed a reluctant browbeaten henchman, SHS is an evil minion only too happy to implement her master's diabolical plans.
gbasden wrote:The thing that hurts the most about this administration is that it's exposed just how utterly stupid a wide swath of Americans are. To reject reason and evidence simply to accept what comes out of the propaganda factory boggles my mind.
What's sad is that it really *shouldn't* be all that surprising given that Americans believe in all kinds of stupid things like ghosts and alien abductions and Bigfoot. Animal Planet and the History Channel aren't going off-program to run paranormal reality shows for no reason.
It's just that up to this point, most people were able to separate "I want to believe" goofy shit from real life.
What we have seen, from Russia, Trump, and the GOP, is the weaponization of gullibility. It's intentional exploitation of ignorance to further political goals.And it scares the hell out of me.
Maybe the decades of muddying education with ID and anti-science nonsense actually had an endgame. The war on critical thinking is a thing.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
It is more than that. They literally say things that can be verified by just watching tape. It isn't just stupid...they've built blind trust in the face of facts. It is a bigger problem imo.
malchior wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:50 pm
It is more than that. They literally say things that can be verified by just watching tape. It isn't just stupid...they've built blind trust in the face of facts. It is a bigger problem imo.
The end of critical thinking. It's Animal Farm type stuff.
" Hey OP, listen to my advice alright." -Tha General "“I like taking the guns early...to go to court would have taken a long time. So you could do exactly what you’re saying, but take the guns first, go through due process second.” -President Donald Trump. "...To guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country." - Frederick Douglass MYT
Yep - and they are training folks this intentionally. The playbook is pretty straight forward at this point. Say something outrageous. Wait for the inevitable uproar from people with scruples and brains. They then deny they said that, meant that, or just double down. They attack the media pointing out the lies. They employ propaganda organs such as Fox and Breitbart as inputs to the training feedback loop. Rinse. Repeat. It is obvious as day what they are doing and there is little anyone can do to stop it right now because pointing out the untruth of it all is a critical part of the process.
LordMortis wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:13 pm
Got to be careful with that one. It can get you in trouble.
But if it's any consequence, I think she is saying his flaw is that he shouldn't be president. If he weren't president he wouldn't have to deal with the presidential press core on a daily basis.
Should be an easy one.
Obviously his flaw is that he cares about the American people TOO MUCH!
malchior wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:29 pm
Sanders is up at the podium right now saying she is outraged that opponents would politicize the terrorist attack yesterday.
Oh and our system of justice is a "laughing stock". There are plenty of things to call it. Cruel. Unfair. Racist. None of those things are laughing matters to anyone...well perhaps someone as shitty a human being as he is.
Let’s compare and contrast responses, shall we?
White guy mows down and kills protestors: Both sides are bad
White guy shoots 500 people: Thoughts and prayers
Muslim guy mows down and kills people: TERRORIST BAD! IMMIGRATION BAD! LAW ENFORCEMENT BAD! DEMS BAD! BE SCARED OF BROWN PEOPLE!
Seems fair.
When darkness veils the world, four Warriors of Light shall come.
Scoop20906 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:54 pm
I keep wondering if this is how 8 years under Obama felt like to the Trump supporters.
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Obama, to my knowledge, never bullied or mocked his political opponents or opposing ideas. I doubt the experience is the same.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
malchior wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:29 pm
Sanders is up at the podium right now saying she is outraged that opponents would politicize the terrorist attack yesterday.
Oh and our system of justice is a "laughing stock". There are plenty of things to call it. Cruel. Unfair. Racist. None of those things are laughing matters to anyone...well perhaps someone as shitty a human being as he is.
Let’s compare and contrast responses, shall we?
White guy mows down and kills protestors: Both sides are bad
White guy shoots 500 people: Thoughts and prayers
Muslim guy mows down and kills people: TERRORIST BAD! IMMIGRATION BAD! LAW ENFORCEMENT BAD! DEMS BAD! BE SCARED OF BROWN PEOPLE!
Seems fair.
Don't forget the death penalty.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
Scoop20906 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:54 pm
I keep wondering if this is how 8 years under Obama felt like to the Trump supporters.
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Obama, to my knowledge, never bullied or mocked his political opponents or opposing ideas. I doubt the experience is the same.
You should get out more.
The president spoke at length on one of his favorite subjects, climate change, asserting repeatedly that the debate is over and all that. Which is fine, I suppose, even though the concept of scientific debates being officially "over" is disturbing in its own right.
But he didn't so much deliver the speech as sneer the speech.
Before the graduates, the president employed the familiar denier language, which is designed to draw implicit parallels with "Holocaust deniers." He said his political opponents were comparable to people who believe the moon is made of cheese. He talked of a congressman who 'mentioned a theory involving 'dinosaur flatulence.'"
And, as he so often does, he assumed the motives of his opponents to be base and unworthy.
"I'll translate (the objections) for you," he said. "What that really means is, 'I know that man-made climate change really is happening, but if I admit it, I'll be run out of town by a radical fringe that thinks climate change is a liberal plot."
Scoop20906 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:54 pm
I keep wondering if this is how 8 years under Obama felt like to the Trump supporters.
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Obama, to my knowledge, never bullied or mocked his political opponents or opposing ideas. I doubt the experience is the same.
You should get out more.
The president spoke at length on one of his favorite subjects, climate change, asserting repeatedly that the debate is over and all that. Which is fine, I suppose, even though the concept of scientific debates being officially "over" is disturbing in its own right.
But he didn't so much deliver the speech as sneer the speech.
Before the graduates, the president employed the familiar denier language, which is designed to draw implicit parallels with "Holocaust deniers." He said his political opponents were comparable to people who believe the moon is made of cheese. He talked of a congressman who 'mentioned a theory involving 'dinosaur flatulence.'"
And, as he so often does, he assumed the motives of his opponents to be base and unworthy.
"I'll translate (the objections) for you," he said. "What that really means is, 'I know that man-made climate change really is happening, but if I admit it, I'll be run out of town by a radical fringe that thinks climate change is a liberal plot."
I could dig up dozens more but I'd rather do something challenging.
Try and find me something where he is not right. Climate change deniers are right there with the anti-vac crowd and flat Earthers in begging to be sneered at for their open ignorance.
“As democracy is perfected, the office of president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.” - H.L. Mencken
Rip wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:24 am
I could dig up dozens more but I'd rather do something challenging.
If that's too easy, why don't you dig up actual video, audio, or transcripts of the president's own words rather than relying on the interpretation, as above, of an editorialist who (when he isn't pushing Benghazi conspiracies) shills for the industries threatened by environmental regulation?
I look forward to seeing actual examples of Obama at his absolute nastiest approaching anything close to the standard of Donald Trump on an above-average day.
Here's a freebie for you: "Clinging to guns and religion." What else do you have?
Rip wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 9:24 am
I could dig up dozens more but I'd rather do something challenging.
If that's too easy, why don't you dig up actual video, audio, or transcripts of the president's own words rather than relying on the interpretation, as above, of an editorialist who (when he isn't pushing Benghazi conspiracies) shills for the industries threatened by environmental regulation?
I look forward to seeing actual examples of Obama at his absolute nastiest approaching the standard of Donald Trump on an average day.
Here's a freebie for you: "Clinging to guns and religion." What else do you have?
Scoop20906 wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:54 pm
I keep wondering if this is how 8 years under Obama felt like to the Trump supporters.
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Obama, to my knowledge, never bullied or mocked his political opponents or opposing ideas. I doubt the experience is the same.
You should get out more.
The president spoke at length on one of his favorite subjects, climate change, asserting repeatedly that the debate is over and all that. Which is fine, I suppose, even though the concept of scientific debates being officially "over" is disturbing in its own right.
But he didn't so much deliver the speech as sneer the speech.
Before the graduates, the president employed the familiar denier language, which is designed to draw implicit parallels with "Holocaust deniers." He said his political opponents were comparable to people who believe the moon is made of cheese. He talked of a congressman who 'mentioned a theory involving 'dinosaur flatulence.'"
And, as he so often does, he assumed the motives of his opponents to be base and unworthy.
"I'll translate (the objections) for you," he said. "What that really means is, 'I know that man-made climate change really is happening, but if I admit it, I'll be run out of town by a radical fringe that thinks climate change is a liberal plot."
I could dig up dozens more but I'd rather do something challenging.
Try and find me something where he is not right. Climate change deniers are right there with the anti-vac crowd and flat Earthers in begging to be sneered at for their open ignorance.
There you go, move some goalposts.
Unfortunately what is right and wrong isn't something that we have any hope of agreeing on.
Everyone is right, just ask them.
“A simple democracy is the devil’s own government.”
— Benjamin Rush --
I would do some more but I have actual work to get done.
Good luck with your actual work, because your examples are silly.
The first (calling out Romney for "Romnesia" in forgetting past promises) is standard-issue politics, hardly a Trump-level personal attack. Trump himself has said far worse things about Romney, and he never even ran against him.
The second... I know you're not a Christian Right type, so I assume this was just a google-and-grab for "Obama mocks the Bible." That video offers nothing from Obama that a politically moderate Christian wouldn't applaud. (Seriously, did you even watch it?)
The third is a perfect example of what separates Obama and most decent politicians from Donald Trump. Obama mocks Republicans for their policies and intentions, that's it. He doesn't belittle them personally, question their patriotism, or imply that they should be imprisoned--you know, the kind of vicious and small-minded bullshit we've had from Donald Trump from the first day of his campaign.
Did President Obama ever call for someone's execution via Twitter? That seems like a pretty low bar to clear at this point. I wonder what President Trump was up to this morning...
Is there a secret government report that the rest of us don't get that shows an outbreak of terrorist attacks?
