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Rip wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am Everyone is right, just ask them.

I'm wrong about lots of things.

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:37 am

Rip wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am Everyone is right, just ask them.

I'm wrong about lost of things.

Wrong - you are right about everything.

El Guapo wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:38 am

Isgrimnur wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:37 am

Rip wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:18 am Everyone is right, just ask them.

I'm wrong about lost of things.

Wrong - you are right about everything.

I'm going to correct my typo in my previous post, but these quotes will get to keep it as a shrine to my wrongness.

Rip rarely reads or views to completion anything he links to. That's why it's so easy to disprove most of his arguments.

The funny thing is the most Trump-like insult Obama ever said was his roast of Trump at the White House Correspondence dinner years ago.

And looking at the examples Rip dug up are a clear example of how he and people like him consume information. Instead of listening to the words he instead takes the views of someone else as the description of what the person said. This stuff is everywhere on all sides. I see videos on YouTube where some politician/journalist DESTROYS someone else. I click on it and it’s rarely or hardly what the video described. There may be a disagreement between the two but usually no one gets destroyed.

People like Rip read the headline and their job is done. Opinion made based on someone else’s clearly distorted view. It’s a self-serving echo chamber. These type of stories destroy individuality. You become a prop for the trolls and you don’t even know it.

This is a lot of the media we consume now and it’s getting harder to avoid.

Scoop20906 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:17 pm
I see videos on YouTube where some politician/journalist DESTROYS someone else. I click on it and it’s rarely or hardly what the video described.

That drives me crazy. When someone editorializes something trivial and get me riled up, so I go to source exactly what they are talking about and it turns out to be a tempest in teapot where you have hard time even figuring out how to connect the OUTRAGE to the source much less continue to empathize with it.

I was listening to NJ talk radio last night (I know, I know) on my way home from work and there was a person that called regarding whether or not we could (as a nation) ever really come together. They person opened up with their thoughts that no one respects President Trump and that it's not possible for us to come together as a nation until we start showing him the respect he deserves. Then she followed that up with providing the example of NFL players not providing respect to the flag and then saying "they should have their heads cut off for kneeling."

Distorted view doesn't even begin to cover it. We are in big f'ing trouble.

"Death over disagreement" seems to be all the rage. It was the straw that broke the camel's back on a friendship of mine recently.

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:32 pmit's not possible for us to come together as a nation until we start showing him the respect he deserves.

Problem solved. I am already showing him the respect that he deserves.

RunningMn9 wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:43 pm

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 12:32 pmit's not possible for us to come together as a nation until we start showing him the respect he deserves.

Problem solved. I am already showing him the respect that he deserves.

I'm part of the problem, I'm afraid. I refuse to stoop that low and resort to name calling and the like.

Since I don't do twitter I can not really show him the respect he deserves. Could someone else send him a link of Goatse's "best" on my behalf? Include a few of Tubgirl as well would you. If anyone ever deserved that stuff to be blind sent to them it is the Donald.

Why? Are you trying to turn him on?

Remus West wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 1:15 pm Since I don't do twitter I can not really show him the respect he deserves. Could someone else send him a link of Goatse's "best" on my behalf? Include a few of Tubgirl as well would you. If anyone ever deserved that stuff to be blind sent to them it is the Donald.

When people send Trump their image macros, they aren't sending him their best stuff. They're sending lolcats. They're sending Frys. They're Boromirs. And some, I assume, are good memes.

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:37 am Did President Obama ever call for someone's execution via Twitter? That seems like a pretty low bar to clear at this point. I wonder what President Trump was up to this morning...

No, he likes to do his executions in secret with drones.

Anyway he is borderline anti-death penalty.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/politics/ ... index.html

Rip wrote:

Smoove_B wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 10:37 am Did President Obama ever call for someone's execution via Twitter? That seems like a pretty low bar to clear at this point. I wonder what President Trump was up to this morning...

No, he likes to do his executions in secret with drones.

Anyway he is borderline anti-death penalty.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/politics/ ... index.html

So let me get this straight. Obama is a weak peacnik, soft on MUSLIM! terror, who executed hundreds if not thousands of MUSLIMS! via drone warfare that potentially saved hundreds to thousands of American soldiers who finds a domestic practice outside of war problematic because a not insignificant number of innocent people have been murdered by the state, not to mention the inalienable right in the constitution of life. This is somehow equivalent of a guy who wants to bypass the rule of law for a legal immigrant and have him both treated as an enemy combatant in a war zone and simultaneously worse than that by having him summarily executed? Yet has grossly reduced pursuing the primary concern of the FBI in domestic nationalist groups because they have some very nice people.
Cool beans.

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Rogue Twitter Employee Deletes Donald Trump’s Account On Last Day

President Donald Trump’s personal Twitter account, @realDonaldTrump, briefly vanished from the internet on Thursday.

Social media users noticed that for a short period of time around 7 p.m. EDT Thursday, the page was inaccessible. Given the president’s frequent use of the platform, confusion began to circulate as to why the account might be deleted.

But it was all an employee error, Twitter said about an hour later. It seems that an employee who was leaving the company deleted the account.

... and not one person outside of the White House complained...

I'm amazed that is was only down 11 minutes.

I wonder if there was quickly a big fuss. DJT was probably enroute to the bunker and had called an emergency NSC meeting but General Keely got someone at twitter on the horn and let them know they were endangering national security.

Whew, that was close......

Interesting analysis of where hyper-partisanship may take us-

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis

Defiant wrote: Thu Nov 02, 2017 11:44 pm Rogue Twitter Employee Deletes Donald Trump’s Account On Last Day

President Donald Trump’s personal Twitter account, @realDonaldTrump, briefly vanished from the internet on Thursday.

Social media users noticed that for a short period of time around 7 p.m. EDT Thursday, the page was inaccessible. Given the president’s frequent use of the platform, confusion began to circulate as to why the account might be deleted.

But it was all an employee error, Twitter said about an hour later. It seems that an employee who was leaving the company deleted the account.

... and not one person outside of the White House complained...

Congressional Medal of Honor material. I don't Twit so IDK if they even have terms of service, but I'd betcha Trump violates them if they do.

Alefroth wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:34 am Interesting analysis of where hyper-partisanship may take us-

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis

"What if we find out Trump is guilty and just can’t do anything about it?" We are so doomed.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/sta ... 6038923264

Simply the best. Better than all the rest.

He's flipping out today. Something new must be coming out later today.

He saw the #FlynnFriday rumors.

Can we just stop for a moment and recognize that the President of the United States is calling senators Pocahontas and calling for a loss of due process in a 24-hour period--and those things are no longer considered newsworthy in light of all the even crazier shit he does?

The Trump administration is literally pro-corruption? Who'd've thunk...

The United States has withdrawn from the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative (EITI), an international effort to fight corruption in managing revenues from oil, gas and mineral extraction.

There had been doubts about continued U.S. participation in the EITI since earlier this year when Congress killed the so-called resource extraction rule, which required companies like Exxon Mobil Corp to disclose taxes and other fees paid to foreign governments, such as Russia.

In a letter to the EITI board on Thursday, the director of the U.S. Office of Natural Resources Revenue, Gregory J. Gould, wrote that “effective immediately” the United States was withdrawing as an EITI implementing country.

Here's what I don't understand about Trump's tweets: do they somehow not count as communication?

He's tweeting this morning that the DOJ should investigate and prosecute HRC for "rigging the primary" (even though that's not what happened and no crimes are involved).

The president isn't supposed to do that, but he's screaming it right out in the open. If secret tapes had emerged, say, in 2013 of Obama telling the DOJ it should investigate Romney's offshore money, there would have been a MASSIVE scandal. But now there's nothing.

This is how Trump is normalizing authoritarianism. He's threatening norms right out in the open instead of in secret, and the fact that his party controls Congress means the death of those norms.

Can I say how mad I am at Warren for spreading this rigging nonsense? It wasn't 'rigged'. Even Brazile, in her article, while she includes lots of drama and loaded language, says in her article (/book excerpt) that she did a thorough digging and didn't find any evidence of skewed decision making or really any actual rigging. The bombshell, such as it is, is that the fundraising agreement (which was reported on at the time, and which Sanders had complained about during the campaign) may have given Clinton some control over the DNC organization earlier than is normal during a campaign, but there's no evidence that the DNC did (or perhaps even could) do anything to actually influence or alter the outcome of the primaries.

Well done, Warren.

Joy Reid has a mid-length thread explaining clearly and sanely how Clinton's DNC money didn't and didn't have an effect on the primary.
EDIT: Now I see that this thread is exactly what El G linked...

Holman wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:37 am Joy Reid has a mid-length thread explaining clearly and sanely how Clinton's DNC money didn't and didn't have an effect on the primary.

EDIT: Now I see that this thread is exactly what El G linked...

It's worth posting twice. It's a good read.

Holman wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:58 am
This is how Trump is normalizing authoritarianism. He's threatening norms right out in the open instead of in secret, and the fact that his party controls Congress means the death of those norms.

On my good days, I believe that the reason we ignore him is because everyone else is ignoring him, too. He screams about what the DoJ should do, but they just ignore him. He screams about summary execution, but the guy already has an assigned lawyer and is being according his due process rights. One of the biggest powers of the Prez is the pulpit, and he's pretty much lost that power entirely.

Sen. Elizabeth Warren said she believes that the Democratic National Committee was "rigged" in favor of former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton during the 2016 primary.

Asked Thursday by CNN's Jake Tapper whether she believes that the Democratic campaign organization was tipped in favor of Clinton over her primary opponent, independent Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, Warren responded without hesitation: "Yes."

"We learned today from the former Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Donna Brazile that the Clinton campaign, in her view, did rig the presidential nominating process by entering into an agreement to control day-to-day operations at the DNC," Tapper said, continuing on to describe specific arms of the DNC the Clinton camp had a say over, including strategy and staffing, noting that the agreement was "entered into in August of 2015," months before Clinton won the nomination.

Warren called that "a real problem."

"But what we've got to do as Democrats now is we've got to hold this party accountable," Warren said.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/02/politics/ ... index.html

And that marks the first (and likely only) time Rip has ever believed Elizabeth Warren.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:12 am Can I say how mad I am at Warren for spreading this rigging nonsense? It wasn't 'rigged'. Even Brazile, in her article, while she includes lots of drama and loaded language, says in her article (/book excerpt) that she did a thorough digging and didn't find any evidence of skewed decision making or really any actual rigging. The bombshell, such as it is, is that the fundraising agreement (which was reported on at the time, and which Sanders had complained about during the campaign) may have given Clinton some control over the DNC organization earlier than is normal during a campaign, but there's no evidence that the DNC did (or perhaps even could) do anything to actually influence or alter the outcome of the primaries.

Well done, Warren.

Typical Warren. I just don't like her.

Zaxxon wrote:Can we just stop for a moment and recognize that the President of the United States is calling senators Pocahontas and calling for a loss of due process in a 24-hour period--and those things are no longer considered newsworthy in light of all the even crazier shit he does?

This, so much this.

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Zaxxon wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:16 am the President of the United States is calling senators Pocahontas

Trump declared November Native American Heritage Month, so of course he is.

El Guapo wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:12 am Can I say how mad I am at Warren for spreading this rigging nonsense? It wasn't 'rigged'. Even Brazile, in her article, while she includes lots of drama and loaded language, says in her article (/book excerpt) that she did a thorough digging and didn't find any evidence of skewed decision making or really any actual rigging. The bombshell, such as it is, is that the fundraising agreement (which was reported on at the time, and which Sanders had complained about during the campaign) may have given Clinton some control over the DNC organization earlier than is normal during a campaign, but there's no evidence that the DNC did (or perhaps even could) do anything to actually influence or alter the outcome of the primaries.

To me, the bombshell was the amount of debt that the DNC had been in under Obama's presidency.

PLW wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:52 am

Holman wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 9:58 am
This is how Trump is normalizing authoritarianism. He's threatening norms right out in the open instead of in secret, and the fact that his party controls Congress means the death of those norms.

On my good days, I believe that the reason we ignore him is because everyone else is ignoring him, too. He screams about what the DoJ should do, but they just ignore him. He screams about summary execution, but the guy already has an assigned lawyer and is being according his due process rights. One of the biggest powers of the Prez is the pulpit, and he's pretty much lost that power entirely.

He is not to be taken at face value, although we must take him seriously because of the office he holds. I read a story yesterday about how important "face" is in Asian societies, how delicately diplomats orchestrate the interactions between heads of state to avoid inadvertent offenses, and how Trump will inevitably blow that all away on this trip. Ordinarily this would be disastrous, but world leaders have already learned that Trump's bluster means nothing.

I think most of the American public is there, too, except for the core supporters who like his show.

While addressing the Japanese legislature, Trump is going to reference "something I've always heard about Asian babes."

Wow you little guys have big buildings. We blew them up before, right?

Kraken wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 2:39 am

Alefroth wrote: Fri Nov 03, 2017 1:34 am Interesting analysis of where hyper-partisanship may take us-

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... mic-crisis

"What if we find out Trump is guilty and just can’t do anything about it?" We are so doomed.

Pretty much. I never thought entertaining that possibility would be a thing.