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and yes, i realize for all intents and purposes that trigg is most likely imperial...though he's played a helluva rebel hand.

triggercut wrote:

tru1cy wrote: Withdraw Newcastle 
 

I'm stunned.

Yeah, but why not from Newcastle's perspective? It worked (in conjunction with our unfortunate CR train) to get out the emperor last time - why not try for Thrawn as well, since Newcastle's going down anyhow?

Anyhow Thrawn, if you are out there, don't come out. You now have even more proof (beyond the crazy straws that he's throwing out) that Newcastle is a rebel, so there's no need for you to stick your neck out.

It is interesting on tru1cy's part, however.

coopasonic wrote:

El Guapo wrote:As for suspects, first I should point out that you're comparing Unagi's list with Trig's list, not any of my lists (just confused about your use of "you").

I was quoting you for the "I'm not sure where we are" on the count part. Sorry for any confusion.

Newcastle wrote:LET ME REPEAT


I"M ADMIRAL THRAWN

And there it is... this one is provable if Rukh is in the game and survives the night.

Not if a rebel claims to be Rukh and "proves" him.

Newcastle wrote:actually trigg...i have half a mind to get you lynched...leading a train on the emperor and then to me...just because someone comes out and claims something first thing int hte morning doesnt mean its necessarily true.

Awesome. Except for the part where we proved that Trig was Dooku yesterday via his secret vote. But hey, nice try at getting another imperial lynched.

What if El Guapo is lying? Let's take a look.

Votes to lynch Scoop Day 2, in order to spoof role of Jabba the Hut today.

Says he's Jabba *immediately* today, and says that Scoop was Han Solo, and his scan of Newc says that the latter is Leia.

El Guapo:

1. Risks being counter-claimed by the real Jabba by coming out (risk mitigated if stessier was Kenobi'd Night 2 and was the real Jabba, or if Lassr was scanned Night 1 and revealed as Jabba) Chance of mitigating factors? Slim.
2. Risks being counter-claimed by Tarkin from the Empire, who with one body to scan on Night 2 scanned Scoop and knows Scooper's identity.

I believe it highly, highly unlikely that El Guapo would have risked this play if he was a Rebel. There's nothing to gain from it (Rebels cannot trade 1:1 with the Empire, and that's all this gives them if Guapo is faking.)

Newcastle, I simply don't believe you.

bb2112 wrote:Unagi stands up on the table. "Your useless chatter will end, NOW! You have failed me for the last time." Stunned, every person in the room (that is conscious) is gripped by a paralyzing fear while desperately hoping that this menacing figure doesn't mean them. Unagi reaches out his hand and Qantaga slowly rises up off the floor clutching at his throat. There is a collective sigh of relief, mixed in with the choking sounds coming from Qantaga's struggling form. Within a few seconds Qantaga's limp body is then tossed to the floor. Everyone in the room comes to the same stunning conclusion, Unagi is Darth Vader and Qantaga is dead.

Lord Mortis rushes over to the Qantaga's body and searches the pockets. He finds a missive that states Top Secret at the top and quickly opens it. "Hey guys, this is a Rebel document. Qantaga was defintely a Rebel.

Wow, this game is really breaking our way now. With Newcastle that's three rebels in three days. Aside from the whole "killing our own emperor thing", we're doing very well indeed.

Unagi I'm curious - how did you choose Qantaga? But in any event, well done!

WOW.

I had Qantaga on the trusted list.

Unagi, what the hell?!?!?!

I mean, nice play, but wow.

New assumption: Scoop *meant* to come out on Day 1?

Nice job, Unagi! Not sure how you got that one right, but good work.

Newcastle wrote:and yes, i realize for all intents and purposes that trigg is most likely imperial...though he's played a helluva rebel hand.

You think it's "most likely"?



Oh Newcastle.

With rules clarifications that:

1. Yoda cannot vote for a Rebel, and
2. R2 having fired his shot and proven as such on Day 1, and
3. Scoop lynched at N-1

Please explain how I might *not* be an Imperial.

bb2112 wrote:Unagi stands up on the table. "Your useless chatter will end, NOW! You have failed me for the last time." Stunned, every person in the room (that is conscious) is gripped by a paralyzing fear while desperately hoping that this menacing figure doesn't mean them. Unagi reaches out his hand and Qantaga slowly rises up off the floor clutching at his throat. There is a collective sigh of relief, mixed in with the choking sounds coming from Qantaga's struggling form. Within a few seconds Qantaga's limp body is then tossed to the floor. Everyone in the room comes to the same stunning conclusion, Unagi is Darth Vader and Qantaga is dead.

Lord Mortis rushes over to the Qantaga's body and searches the pockets. He finds a missive that states Top Secret at the top and quickly opens it. "Hey guys, this is a Rebel document. Qantaga was defintely a Rebel.

Go Team!

Also, here's a crazy idea: why don't we just search everyone for rebel documents? Seems like that would be a more sensible solution here than killing people and then searching them for rebel documents.

By the way, does this change the voting majority?

If Scoop meant to come out Day 1, theohall and coopasonic are now on the highly suspect list.

El Guapo wrote:Also, here's a crazy idea: why don't we just search everyone for rebel documents? Seems like that would be a more sensible solution here than killing people and then searching them for rebel documents.

By the way, does this change the voting majority?

I think we're at 16 players, so no.

9 required for execution.

Nice play, Unagi You have restored my faith in your order. What made you decide on Qantaga

Aha.

Qantaga was Luke Skywalker.

Nice.

You underestimate the power of the Dark Side

tru1cy wrote:Nice play, Unagi You have restored my faith in your order. What made you decide on Qantaga

theohall wrote:Nice job, Unagi! Not sure how you got that one right, but good work.

triggercut wrote:I had Qantaga on the trusted list.
Unagi, what the hell?!?!?!
I mean, nice play, but wow.

El Guapo wrote:Unagi I'm curious - how did you choose Qantaga? But in any event, well done!

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

triggercut wrote:Aha.

Qantaga was Luke Skywalker.

Nice.

That would make sense. Also potentially good news is that as long as Luke hasn't hit Mara yet, that would guarantee that she would stay an imperial. Though I don't know how we would determine that for sure.

Anyhow, unless Greedo's around I don't think Newcastle is getting shot

Read the roles and rules, folks, and the method of Qantaga's death.


Assuming Guapo is correct:

Scoop-----Han Solo
Qantaga----Luke
Newcastle----Leia
???---------R2, but now unpowered.

The Rebs may have only 2-3 more powered players in, from a pool that includes Kenobi, Karrde, Chewie, Lando, Yoda, and perhaps Mara Jade.

theohall wrote:

coopasonic wrote:

El Guapo wrote:As for suspects, first I should point out that you're comparing Unagi's list with Trig's list, not any of my lists (just confused about your use of "you").

I was quoting you for the "I'm not sure where we are" on the count part. Sorry for any confusion.

Newcastle wrote:LET ME REPEAT


I"M ADMIRAL THRAWN

And there it is... this one is provable if Rukh is in the game and survives the night.

Not if a rebel claims to be Rukh and "proves" him.

Rukh is revealed when he kills so is provable and by extension Thrawn is provable.

triggercut wrote:Aha.

Qantaga was Luke Skywalker.

Nice.

Actually, I'm not at all sure on that.

I can tell you all that RMC and Newcastle do not buy their Power Converters at Toshi Station.

I don't know who the hell Qantaga was, but he clearly wasn't Imperial.

So, I may indeed still be a 'seer' of sorts... but I may not be... cause - well, Qantaga may very well have been Luke.

Wow. Pretty ballsy, then. But I guess you don't get to be Dark Lord of the Sith by being a pussy.

triggercut wrote:If Scoop meant to come out Day 1, theohall and coopasonic are now on the highly suspect list.

Scoop was Han (according to El Guapo).
Scoop wanted (NEEDED) to be SHOT, not lynched. I don't think Scoop wanted that attention at all.


Everyone should go back and just even re-read pages 3-10.... Read it thinking:

Qantaga is Evil.
Triggercut is misguided
Newcastle isn't misguided - and is evil.
Scoop would be happy to be shot, but not lynched
CR is good.
El Guapo is good.
Stessier and Lassr - both good.

I think reading just those pages shows A LOT. It is what lead to my list, and it is what lead to my choice to shoot Qantaga.

Unagi wrote:

triggercut wrote:Aha.

Qantaga was Luke Skywalker.

Nice.

Actually, I'm not at all sure on that.

I can tell you all that RMC and Newcastle do not buy their Power Converters at Toshi Station.

I don't know who the hell Qantaga was, but he clearly wasn't Imperial.

So, I may indeed still be a 'seer' of sorts... but I may not be... cause - well, Qantaga may very well have been Luke.

OK, suddenly Unagi's list should get more cred amongst the imperials (I say despite being on it). He has some good instincts.

triggercut wrote:

Newcastle wrote:and yes, i realize for all intents and purposes that trigg is most likely imperial...though he's played a helluva rebel hand.

You think it's "most likely"?



Oh Newcastle.

With rules clarifications that:

1. Yoda cannot vote for a Rebel, and
2. R2 having fired his shot and proven as such on Day 1, and
3. Scoop lynched at N-1

Please explain how I might *not* be an Imperial.

i said that tongue in cheek considering your bandwagon on CR and now on me...basically your rebel sniffer is off. And probably a dose of frustration at being set up like this.

triggercut wrote:What if El Guapo is lying? Let's take a look.

Votes to lynch Scoop Day 2, in order to spoof role of Jabba the Hut today.

Says he's Jabba *immediately* today, and says that Scoop was Han Solo, and his scan of Newc says that the latter is Leia.

El Guapo:

1. Risks being counter-claimed by the real Jabba by coming out (risk mitigated if stessier was Kenobi'd Night 2 and was the real Jabba, or if Lassr was scanned Night 1 and revealed as Jabba) Chance of mitigating factors? Slim.
2. Risks being counter-claimed by Tarkin from the Empire, who with one body to scan on Night 2 scanned Scoop and knows Scooper's identity.

I believe it highly, highly unlikely that El Guapo would have risked this play if he was a Rebel. There's nothing to gain from it (Rebels cannot trade 1:1 with the Empire, and that's all this gives them if Guapo is faking.)

Newcastle, I simply don't believe you.

unless he has no fear of being counter claimed? Ever though of that Trigg?

And its a great play...come out and accuse someone...and BAM...get the lynch rolling on them. I know i was high on the list of people. Its a great play...come out and accuse someone first thing...and he was probably a bit trusted....makes it more believeable.

-what do they gain? Kills off our protection scheme for one....and thats what i am curiosu about ...why target me .....was it they knew that iw as thrawn through the reading of hints or other means...or they just wanted to get the most likely lynched going on a choo choo train....

EL Guapo is a rebel.


And nicely done my lord vader. I had faith in you.

now thats a spicy meatball?

bb2112 wrote:Unagi stands up on the table. "Your useless chatter will end, NOW! You have failed me for the last time." Stunned, every person in the room (that is conscious) is gripped by a paralyzing fear while desperately hoping that this menacing figure doesn't mean them. Unagi reaches out his hand and Qantaga slowly rises up off the floor clutching at his throat. There is a collective sigh of relief, mixed in with the choking sounds coming from Qantaga's struggling form. Within a few seconds Qantaga's limp body is then tossed to the floor. Everyone in the room comes to the same stunning conclusion, Unagi is Darth Vader and Qantaga is dead.

Lord Mortis rushes over to the Qantaga's body and searches the pockets. He finds a missive that states Top Secret at the top and quickly opens it. "Hey guys, this is a Rebel document. Qantaga was defintely a Rebel.

Nice. That's gotta hurt. I assume that Q was Luke. Then the next question is do we have Mara and was she converted? If that's a yes and then a no then things are looking up for the Empire.

Especially as apparently Remus has been proven empire by virtue of being silenced.

This also means that three of the presumably 7 rebels are leia used, luke dead, and R2 used.

...

unagi wrote:I don't know who the hell Qantaga was, but he clearly wasn't Imperial.

Or I can throw my assumptions out the window. Very nice, just the same.

triggercut wrote:I believe it highly, highly unlikely that El Guapo would have risked this play if he was a Rebel. There's nothing to gain from it (Rebels cannot trade 1:1 with the Empire, and that's all this gives them if Guapo is faking.)

Newcastle, I simply don't believe you.

Also bear in mind that it's not just a 1:1 trade in Newcastle's scenario. They would be giving up one wolf, AND using up Leia's ability, AND proving Remus, in exchange for getting Newcastle.

But on the other hand, Newcastle used the expression "blue in the face" yesterday. So there's that.

El Guapo wrote:

triggercut wrote:I believe it highly, highly unlikely that El Guapo would have risked this play if he was a Rebel. There's nothing to gain from it (Rebels cannot trade 1:1 with the Empire, and that's all this gives them if Guapo is faking.)

Newcastle, I simply don't believe you.

Also bear in mind that it's not just a 1:1 trade in Newcastle's scenario. They would be giving up one wolf, AND using up Leia's ability, AND proving Remus, in exchange for getting Newcastle.

But on the other hand, Newcastle used the expression "blue in the face" yesterday. So there's that.

But if Karrde IDed Newcastle as our (serial) protector it could be worth the trade so they don't have to worry about protection anymore. The "blue" comment could certainly be a hint. Who really says that?

El Guapo wrote:

triggercut wrote:I believe it highly, highly unlikely that El Guapo would have risked this play if he was a Rebel. There's nothing to gain from it (Rebels cannot trade 1:1 with the Empire, and that's all this gives them if Guapo is faking.)

Newcastle, I simply don't believe you.

Also bear in mind that it's not just a 1:1 trade in Newcastle's scenario. They would be giving up one wolf, AND using up Leia's ability, AND proving Remus, in exchange for getting Newcastle.

But on the other hand, Newcastle used the expression "blue in the face" yesterday. So there's that.

what wearing a name tag w/ "Admiral THrawn" on it would have been over the top? I wasn't going to come out and say who i was; i kind of had to slyly hint at it, should something like this come up.

I am not going to claim to understand your play El Guapo. The only thing that makes sense is you are chewie, or someone whom they can throw away. Either you've been used up; your a boom; or something.....but coming out like that...puts the onus on me....and its a helluva thing to do if you can get the protector lynched...i'd gamble a lot of those things in order to make sure that i got a clean kill each night. So yea....it does make sense to Make Leaia appear...then come after me.......

my question still is this ELG- why come after me? Did you know I was thrawn? Or was it just the fact that i was an easy target...i ams tarting to lean that you knew i was thrawn...and coming after me...was the best way for me to come out...well congratulations...i am out and it looks liek the crew is believing you.

Oh protections:
Night 1 - self protect
NIght 2 - i aint saying because i want the rebels to guess whack-a-mole tonight.

Newcastle wrote:And nicely done my lord vader. I had faith in you.

No. You didn't.

Newcastle wrote:something doesnt sniff right with unagi....

Newcastle wrote:Those i am interested in lynching
- unagi - seemed a bit bloodthirsty;

Newcastle wrote:so no one else see's this in unagi? Is it just me? I mean he asked for a train, got it...then pounces on somoen for adding a n-1 vote...wasnt that what he wanted? He just seems the evil, bully unagi of previous incarnations.

Newcastle wrote:Though i think unagi still is at the top of my list, but doubt if a train there can materialize.

Newcastle,
You are part of the Rebel Alliance and a traitor!

(IMHO)

coopasonic wrote:

El Guapo wrote:

triggercut wrote:I believe it highly, highly unlikely that El Guapo would have risked this play if he was a Rebel. There's nothing to gain from it (Rebels cannot trade 1:1 with the Empire, and that's all this gives them if Guapo is faking.)

Newcastle, I simply don't believe you.

Also bear in mind that it's not just a 1:1 trade in Newcastle's scenario. They would be giving up one wolf, AND using up Leia's ability, AND proving Remus, in exchange for getting Newcastle.

But on the other hand, Newcastle used the expression "blue in the face" yesterday. So there's that.

But if Karrde IDed Newcastle as our (serial) protector it could be worth the trade so they don't have to worry about protection anymore. The "blue" comment could certainly be a hint. Who really says that?

um...lots of people? It's not exactly an archaic expression. That said, I am curious whether he used it colloqually yesterday or whether he was intentionally setting up a Thrawn fake. Not that it matters much.

El Guapo wrote:Also bear in mind that it's not just a 1:1 trade in Newcastle's scenario. They would be giving up one wolf, AND using up Leia's ability, AND proving Remus, in exchange for getting Newcastle.

But on the other hand, Newcastle used the expression "blue in the face" yesterday. So there's that.

Or El Guapo and Newcastle are both rebels and they proved Remus and used up Leia's ability to hide El Guapo like Balwathan Spy but that would take some balls because if Gran Moff Tarkin came out now that would surely nail two rebels to one imperial.

coopasonic wrote:The "blue" comment could certainly be a hint. Who really says that?

I will bet that Newcastle really regrets that he also used that phrase at a time, naturally, when he clearly wasn't in any position to "drop any hints" as he was already being called out by El Guapo.

Newcastle wrote:fascinating....i am empire, and i will continue to claim that until i am until i am blue in the face. And death will prove that.

Fascinating play El Guapo...fascinating.

IN FACT, if you were Newcastle, and you KNEW you used the "blue in the face" hint, wouldn't you have been very careful not to carelessly use that phrase again, in it's natural form? I am pretty damn sure I would be careful about that.


Newcaslte doesn't want to talk about THAT time he said "blue in the face"... He wants to talk about this time:

Newcastle wrote:I really really want to see CR lynched. I think his comment is the best we have to go off of today. But ui am getting blue in the face repeating myself.

both times was on purpose and the second time was very deliberate....i was hoping people would get the hint...and back off, without me having to reveal...but i logged in this morning and saw my train zooming along....

if you read carefully i left a 2nd hint in that segment too...first person who finds it gets an apple.

Is It OK to vote for Newcastle yet or are we waiting for more daily revelations?

Newcastle wrote:fascinating....i am empire, and i will continue to claim that until i am until i am blue in the face. And death will prove that.

Fascinating play El Guapo...fascinating. Why me? Why come out and claim i am leia...nice bit of theatrics there zinging remus to prove that leia is in the game? But why target me? Care to answer that?

I am not leia...and el guapo must surely be a rebel....but which one?

And why claim Jabba El guapo? Along with a neat claim that scoop = han. Intersting play...very interesting.

I'd advise not to vote for him...since i am afraid he'd go boom. In fact i'd suggest that we wait until nightfall to see who survives the night..but i am pretty certain i will survive tonight. If i survive this frame job.

So elguapo...who might you be? Eh? Leia? Chewie? Han?

here's the quote....lets see if you can find it.

Newcastle wrote:my question still is this ELG- why come after me? Did you know I was thrawn? Or was it just the fact that i was an easy target...

I find it exceptionally odd that you are asking these bizarre questions to your accuser - as if he (as a Wolf) would answer them.