Octopus Overlords

Holman wrote:I don't trust Hillary not to tack with the winds, but I trust her to do so within acceptable limits.

TheMix wrote:But Trump... he scares me. He'll lie about everything. But, more importantly, I don't think his ego leaves any room for common sense. I cannot picture any positive outcome of a meeting between him and any other world leader. And the thought of him meeting with Putin really concerns me.

LawBeefaroni wrote:

TheMix wrote:But Trump... he scares me. He'll lie about everything. But, more importantly, I don't think his ego leaves any room for common sense. I cannot picture any positive outcome of a meeting between him and any other world leader. And the thought of him meeting with Putin really concerns me.

You don't think ending sanctions in exchange for Trump casinos in Moscow and Saint Petersburg would be a positive outcome? Somehow I think Trump and Putin would get along fabulously.

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday to block all Muslims from entering the United States.

Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release.
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The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. The Center for Security Policy is a think tank that has been accused of peddling conspiracy theories.

Trump's call for a shutdown of Muslim immigration in the U.S. came hours before he was set to speak aboard the U.S.S. Yorktown, a World War II era ship parked near Charleston, South Carolina.

Isgrimnur wrote:CNN

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump called Monday to block all Muslims from entering the United States.

Trump, who has previously called for surveillance against mosques and said he was open to establishing a database for all Muslims living in the U.S., made his latest controversial call in a news release.
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The release pointed to an online poll from the controversial Center for Security Policy, which claimed that a quarter of Muslims living in the U.S. believe violence against Americans is justified as part of a global jihadist campaign. The Center for Security Policy is a think tank that has been accused of peddling conspiracy theories.

Trump's call for a shutdown of Muslim immigration in the U.S. came hours before he was set to speak aboard the U.S.S. Yorktown, a World War II era ship parked near Charleston, South Carolina.

hepcat wrote:It's a goddamn Mel Brooks' film at this point.

Defiant wrote:Dick Cheney Dismisses Trump’s Muslim Ban: ‘Goes Against Everything We Stand For’

Kraken wrote:Trump has reached an inflection point with this. If his support keeps going up and he keeps doubling down...well. If we're already monitoring mosques, registering Muslims, and forbidding all entries (even for students and tourists), then what's his next escalation, concentration camps? If he doesn't crash and burn pretty soon then -- well, you fill in the blank.

I'll say this: If Trump can become president, the terrorists won.

Donald Trump’s new pledge to ban all Muslims from entering the country – even, apparently, American citizens – marked a shocking turn in the GOP primaries on Monday – but it didn’t come from out of nowhere.
Rather, Trump’s call for religion-based discrimination is just the latest example of a fringe, anti-Muslim movement Republican leaders have spent years working to contain, only to see it bubble into the national conversation through this primary’s outsider candidates.

In this case, Trump made the connection clear as day. His proposal to ban Muslim entry into the U.S. cited research from the Center for Security Policy, an organization led by conservative gadfly Frank Gaffney that’s identified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center and has repeatedly clashed with other conservatives over its views.

The reason some Republican leaders had been so quick to contain the anti-Sharia wing in the past was not because it was politically popular to do so, but because they knew that if left unchecked, things could get out of hand.

tru1cy wrote:First it was Latinos and now it's Muslims, so who's next Blacks? Gays? Jews?


I used to laugh at Trump, but his rhetoric is just pure fascism and I know it;s still relatively early in the election cycle, but seriously when will the GOP just oust this guy or hell split themselves off from the tea-party in general. I can't believe this is the Party of Lincoln

tgb wrote: More and more I'm starting to think of this as some Bizarro-world version of The Candidate. I think Trump got into this as a goof and a way to get more exposure for his brand, but it steamrolled to the point that he got caught up in it and can't find a way out.

hepcat wrote:

tgb wrote: More and more I'm starting to think of this as some Bizarro-world version of The Candidate. I think Trump got into this as a goof and a way to get more exposure for his brand, but it steamrolled to the point that he got caught up in it and can't find a way out.

I think he's been trying to get out by ramping up the racist rhetoric. Unfortunately, the tea party members and other right wing extremists that flocked to him actually DO believe the hate filled speeches he shits out. At this point, he's going to be able to call for rounding up everyone who's not a white christian and putting them in work camps...and get resounding applause from his audience. Although I will say he's been fantastic at exposing the ugly underbelly of the GOP. Unfortunately, it's also making them feel empowered at the same time.

You’re increasingly being compared to Hitler. Does that give you any pause at all?

No, because what I’m doing is no different than what FDR—FDR’s solution for Germans, Italians, Japanese, many years ago—

So you’re for internment camps?

This is a president who is highly respected by all—he did the same thing. If you look at what he was doing, it was far worse. He was talking about the Germans—because we’re at war. We are now at war. We have a president who doesn’t want to say it, but we’re at war.

I’ve gotta press you on that. You’re praising FDR there—I take it you’re praising the setting up of internment camps for Japanese during World War II.

No I’m not, no I’m not. Take a look at presidential proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527, having to do with alien Germans, alien Italians, alien Japanese. They stripped them of their naturalization proceedings, they went through a whole list of things. They couldn’t go five miles from their homes. They weren’t allowed to use radios, flashlights.

Take a look at what FDR did many years ago, and he’s one of the most highly presidents—I mean, respected by most people. They name highways after him.

Smoove_B wrote:Trump on Good Morning America (this morning):

You’re increasingly being compared to Hitler. Does that give you any pause at all?

No, because what I’m doing is no different than what FDR—FDR’s solution for Germans, Italians, Japanese, many years ago—

So you’re for internment camps?

This is a president who is highly respected by all—he did the same thing. If you look at what he was doing, it was far worse. He was talking about the Germans—because we’re at war. We are now at war. We have a president who doesn’t want to say it, but we’re at war.

I’ve gotta press you on that. You’re praising FDR there—I take it you’re praising the setting up of internment camps for Japanese during World War II.

No I’m not, no I’m not. Take a look at presidential proclamations 2525, 2526, and 2527, having to do with alien Germans, alien Italians, alien Japanese. They stripped them of their naturalization proceedings, they went through a whole list of things. They couldn’t go five miles from their homes. They weren’t allowed to use radios, flashlights.

Take a look at what FDR did many years ago, and he’s one of the most highly presidents—I mean, respected by most people. They name highways after him.

Smoove_B wrote: He seems to be missing the point that this was a shameful part of our recent history - not something to model policies after in 2015.

Blackhawk wrote:I wasn't expecting the Trumpish Inquisition.

tru1cy wrote:Party of Lincoln

Holman wrote:I was just looking back at the start of this thread, before we took Trump seriously.

Archinerd wrote:I have to admit, Ben Carson is starting to look pretty good again.

Archinerd wrote:I have to admit, Ben Carson is starting to look pretty good again.

Archinerd wrote:I have to admit, Ben Carson is starting to look pretty good again.